-Riikan
（我从来不是泽连斯基的粉丝，也一直对乌克兰媒体的信息持怀疑态度，但是）泽连斯基手持太过明显的真相绝不屈服（而且他的英语也很流利口音地道），这才是真正负责任的男人和领导人。相比之下，看到川普里尼先生和约瑟夫·P·万斯这两个娘炮小丑，拼命挣扎试图找到任何能拯救他们低劣欺诈的行政套话词藻都找不出来。
（搞笑的是，他们一直把自己包装成某种歧视性别的“强人”形象，但在此时一个负责任的真正爷们儿，瞬间就揭露了他们娘娘腔、遮遮掩掩的本质——他们挣扎着，却无法掩盖自己的臆想编造的谎言。）
与他们那种强盗殖民的真正目的相反，这段访谈简直是近年来“最佳的乌克兰宣传片”！比乌克兰政府自己的宣传还有效百万倍！（相比之下，《潜行者2》只能勉强排在遥远的第二位，毕竟虚幻4的bug依然让我抓狂，呃啊啊啊啊！:P）
( I WAS never Zelenskyy fan and WAS skeptical about Ukrainian media info, BUT ) Zelenskyy stands up by veritable truth( also in fluent Eng ), that's true reponsible man and leader is, compare to mr.Trumpolini & Joseph.P. Vance 2 sissy clowns struggling find any rhetoric could save their exposing lies.
( funny they've presented themselves as some sexual-discriminating macho, but one responsible man instantly exposed their sissy hush-hush essence: struggling yet unable to cover up their delusional deceits )
Contrary to them robbery colonial intention, this is the BEST PROMOTING UKRAINE piece in many years. Worth a million times Ukrainian gov own propaganda. ( STALKER II comes in very distant second, since I still got all those Unreal4 bugs, grrrrh!
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-Frank[超牛的荷兰网友最早立即把G25-660装到 Celica 的一位爱好赛车牛，他的观点比较中立偏右，我也喜欢引用他的观点来矫正一些我觉得有点不切重点，缺乏真实感的反俄信息]
泽连斯基五年前还是个平庸的喜剧演员，而现在他已经是身价数千万的富翁，在全球拥有七座豪宅，还有大约22辆超级/超跑。他的妻子还被拍到在巴黎和摩纳哥疯狂购物，消费数十万欧元。
你确定他是个正直、公平的人，真的是为了人民在奋斗吗？别忘了，他禁止了东正教，监禁或杀害了不符合官方立场的记者，还禁止了选举，还有很多类似的事情。
他就是个战争贩子独裁者，不多也不少，只是为了给自己和政府内的亲信捞钱。
Zelensky was a mediocre comedian 5 years ago, now he is a multi multi miljonair, with 7 big mansions across the world and has approximately 22 super/hypercars
His wife has been seen shopping for 100.000's of euro's in Parijs and Monaco
Are you sure he is a upright and fair guy, doing this for his people? Keep in mind he banned the orthodox church
Imprisoned or killed journalists that didnt follow the narrative
Banned elections
And alot more
He is a war mongering dictator, not more not less, only to enrich himself and his friends in gouvernement positions
-Riikan
那些政客们和我这样的穷光蛋根本不是一个世界的人……不过话说回来，他的对手更糟糕，最近那场视频访谈展示出的简直是可笑的无能。
我的意思是，如果说泽连斯基只是个平庸的喜剧演员，那他就只是个普通政客，而绝对达不到“资本家政客”……单凭这一点，他就比他们好太多了，哈哈哈！:D
Those politicians are all far different world from what me pauper could perceive... That said his opponents are just gruesome and worse, what just showed comedic incompetence in that recent vid
I mean if Zelenskyy was mediocre comedian, that means he's just a politician; deffo not CAPTITALIST politician... That alone made him many times better IMHO LOL
-Frank
你到底为什么这么讨厌特朗普和万斯？就因为这样，你就去支持一个贪污钱财的独裁者？这个人根本不在乎乌克兰人是不是死光了，他只是想继续战争。
顺便说一句，你知道过去各国领导人之间的会议有过更糟糕的吗？唯一的区别是，以前的政府不透明，你只能等到很多年后解密的文件（还被严重删减）才能知道真相。
what is exactly the reason you hate Trump and Vance so much?
And there for support a money stealing dictator who want to fight "to the last Ukrainian"
Btw you know that meetings with leaders in the past went far worse? Only difference is those administrations were not transparant
You had to find out years later when secret documents were released heavily redacted
--Riikan
我之前写过自己经历的一些事情，说实话，我能活着已经是万幸……TLDR（长篇大论原文在此）：[Facebook链接 我在新买提发过：viewtopic.php?t=678374]
我可以说，我见识过社会黑暗的一面，而这黑暗是整个人类社会的共性，只是被全人类一起掩盖噤声。说到底，所有灵长类动物都是最残忍的捕食者之一。经历了这些，我的观点自然会形成：让所有善良的灵魂自由生活，减少压力；遏制那天花板1%的富人，因为他们简直毫无疑问真正邪恶之人。就我个人的观点而言，这些都是任何有基本逻辑和常识的人都能看出来的事实。此外，限制人口增长，改善教育，减少生活压力，也是至关重要的。
作为一名跨性别者，我同时也理解一些右翼的想法（因为我在变性前也是个极端恐同者——我害怕自己部分男性特征，所以极度排斥同性恋。当然手术后不用天天提心吊胆，偏见同时消散了）。所以我理解他们的思维方式：他们要么是被洗脑了，要么是顽固不化的“化石”——他们认为：他们瞎胡以己度人觉得GID完全可以不变性也能正常生活；如果你支持变性，那就只是在“为自己谋利”，因此你应该被处决。
^ 因为我理解他们这种奇怪的逻辑，所以我也明白，这就是灵长类动物的本能——当他们被资本主义的“传统价值观”洗脑时，他们的大脑会自动跳过事实，并且把迫害替罪羊当成一种乐趣。
但客观事实对任何受过教育的人来说都显而易见：第一，染色体和性别从来都不是严格的简单二分，海量事实摆在那里瞎子也得捂住耳朵才能不知觉。第二，例如严重的性别认同障碍（GID），如果不加以正确治疗，死亡率远远高于癌症，而目前唯一能够挽救GID人士生命的方式就是变性手术。这别无二法主要是因为这是基因、生理、大脑神经系统的紧密交织在一起的复型，而以人类现有的医学水平，根本无法直接干预大脑神经系统并改变其结构。（但如果是用来打压替罪羊、给人洗脑、操控记忆，人类医学倒是相当擅长！）
第三，右翼人士的大脑自动跳过这些事实，导致他们一边迫害少数群体，一边同时却又坚信世界对少数群体是“公平的”；甚至还能同时觉得“消灭邪恶的少数群体”是在“拯救社会”，就像1930年代的纳粹德国、XXXX年代的War Game，以及林肯总统之前的美国南方一样——人们在批量谋杀替罪羊，而他们自己却无感，还以为自己是在做“正义之举”。因为右翼的思维被洗脑直接跳过，所以即使变性手术已经拯救了GID人士的身体问题，只要手术可以生命健康无虞，但仍然生活远远超出想象艰难，经常是随时在面临：低头生存还是当即毁灭。更可笑的是，许多人甚至认为我们这些“替罪羊”宣传变性是在“获取星星点点小优势小便宜”，但事实上，我们全部的争取只是想让世界变得稍微一点点不那么残酷，让GID人士从必死无疑变成“勉强能活下去”。“获取优势”。。。 他猫的想都想不到，请找个快死的人跟他说，他看病自救是在获取优势占便宜。
就我个人而言，作为LGBT群体中偏保守的一员，我对名称代词并不太在意，虽然不同情况有各种不爽，但不是生理错位那种必死无疑濒危。但另一个极端就是右翼人士，说单单是这些代词就等同于“获得了特权”——这简直是莫名其妙……如果我们能使用更正式、科学的性别定义（只要你承认基本观测和实验事实，不管你想叫“性别”“生理亚型”还是标成“异类”，性别术语和科学定义会很多而且已经很多），他们又每次都会开始抱怨“性别术语太多，会”让他们的“大脑负担过重”……仿佛他们的脑子还是用水银延迟线存储数据的老古董一样（笑）。
I've wrote some what I've been through and darn lucky to be still alive... TLDR: [fb post]
I'd say I've seen dark half of society, which spread through the whole humanity, hushing covered up by entire humanity. Let's face it all primate apes are definitely most cruel predators among all species. Thus Of course, my trips through 11.11 would form my point of view: just let all good souls live free less pressurizing; and curb the top 1% which are definitely evil; my opinion: those are fact anyone could see from basic robust logic and common sense. Also limit population growth and much better education much relaxed life.
As a transgender I know many rightwing thoughts( since I was also severe homophobe before transition, because scared of my own partially m-features, I was extremely homophobe... I understand more from both sides ), if either just brainwashed or sturbon fossil, they just think like: you can live without transtion, if
you promote transition - you're selfish taking advantages for yourselves, and you should be excuted.
^ Since I understand their strange reasoning, that's just what primate apes are, when brainwashed by capitalism 'traditional value' fossilizing education, their brain automatically skips fact. And took harsh cruelty towards scapegoat as fun.
Well veritable truth is too obvious trivial for any educated. First chromosomes and genders are never strictly a pair. Secondly for example, like severe GID identity issue, are known to be most deadly if not properly treated, FAR DEADLIER than terminal cancer; and nowadays only life saving procedure is transitioning. Mostly because it's intertwined genetical, biological, central neural complexation. And homo sapiens medical are far from could intervene with complex central neural system and change anything. ( but for suppress scapegoats, and drug brainwashing memories, homo apes medical are REALLY EXCELLED at ) Thirdly, as their brain automatically skips, extreme rightwings could both killing minority while think the world is very fair for minority and also thinking killing evil minority is for greater good, like 1930s reich folks and 1960s chinois mess and the southener before Prez.Lincoln, people are murderung scapegoats, and brain automatically skipped, and think they're doing the society great good and justice. Since they unknowningly murdering people, even with transition could save anyone GID's life from any health risk, they will still struggling to be alive as the world is openly suppressing them. It is laughable seen many, very many think us scapegoats are 'promoting for advantages', as we only ever try to lever the world to be less cruel, from certain death to somehow livable, land personally as conservative side of lgbt I really don't care too much about Eng nouns. But rightwinger to think just some nouns are 'gaining advantage' is even more out of nowhere... if only we could adapt formal, scientific gender definitions? They will start arguing again: too many gender terms will burden their brain(...) like their brains are some puny obsolete delay lines of mercury ]
-Riikan
当然Frank 你能看出，我悲惨的人生经历导致了我的世界观；而川普里尼和约瑟夫·P·万斯甚至比邪恶还恶劣——他们的所作所为就是故意挑拨人群对立、制造裂痕，以此来转移人们对国家08年以来治理失败的注意力，进而煽动狂热支持，这正是人类历史上所有暴政的共同点。（希特勒将犹太人当作替罪羊来攫取权力，XXXX将苏联和美国塑造成“终极邪恶”来转移饥饿XXXX注意，每一个失败的国王和君主，在被推翻之前，都会找到替罪羊来转移矛盾。）
他们俩可能是真的因为教育不足、思想僵化，才相信这些右翼言论；但一样有可能的是，他们自己也无所谓右翼的理论，只是把它当作献祭大批替罪羊，娱乐吸引了P民更加狂热，通往权力的捷径。
Of course you could see my bitter life led to my point of view; mr.Dumpolini and Joseph.P Vance are even worse than evil, they just promote dividing people, create cracks, to divert attention from nation development failue, gain crazed support, which all tyranny did in human history thus more than obvious. ( Adolf set Jewish as scapegoat to gain power, Max set USSR and US as arch.evil for starvating chinois folks, every failed king and monarch after defeat, people just need scapegoat to blame ) It could be their brain lacked education and 'traditional value' fossilized; Or very likely they might not believe rightwing speech themselves just saw as great way pave to power to mass sacrifices
-Riikan
总之，Frank，我希望我的（非常激进的）观点不会影响你对我的看法。你是GT-Four车友群里我特别尊敬的人之一，我总是能从你的经验中学到很多东西。
我相信，我们的观点都是建立在扎实的事实基础上的，经过了深思熟虑。我鄙视那些无知且没有经过思考的右翼观点，但我知道你的观点是有理有据的，你的推理过程也很清晰。看起来，我们只是因为不同的生活经历，导致了对不同问题的权重侧重有鲜明不同。但每个人都有自己的想法，我们可以继续进行建设性的讨论
。我其实也认同你很多观点，并且经常在中文的BBS论坛上引用你的意见，来反驳那些过度简化乌克兰-俄罗斯问题的人…… 这场战争无论对乌克兰和俄罗斯的很多人来说，都是一场悲剧。
你知道吗？在我们的车友群里，我最尊敬的人之一就是那位俄罗斯工程师“McUncle”
。我认为长期对俄罗斯的制裁对寡头们的影响很小，反而伤害了许多中立甚至反对普京的俄罗斯人，比如YouTuber、汽车玩家……天知道自2021年以来，McUncle在Facebook和Instagram上消失了，是不是也受到了那些混乱时期（又制裁、又疫情、社会分裂等）的影响？Anyway Frank I hope my ( very radical ) opinions won't deteriote your view on me, you're one of those I especially respect in GT-Four group and always learn from.
I believe our opinions are both based on solid facts and very well thought out; I despised many different right wing opinions those're uneducated and ignorant, but I know your opinion are sound based and I can see clear reasoning and deduction thought process. Looks like we're just had different life experiences and weighted different points in contrast. But to each their own, and always discuss constructively [thumbs up]
I agree with many of your points and I quoted your opinion many times at Chinese BBS to those whom overly simplified Ukraine, Russian matter... It's a tragedy for many of either country. You know one of I most respect in our group is our Russian engineer McUncle lol I believe the long wavering Russia-sanctions did few to oligarchy, but hurt many neutral or even Mr.P-opposition folks inside Russia, like youtubers, carguys, gawd who knows if McUncle vanished from fb & Instagram since 2021 was affected by that chaotic time: sanction, could, people division...
-Frank
别担心，我的心态很强大，而你经历过的事情也让你拥有坚韧的心态。我并不是想冒犯你，我只是习惯性地想要说服别人接受我这些年来读到的信息。你有你的想法，我有我的想法，我们可以有不同的观点。
dont worry, i have a thick skin and you also because of what you have been through, dont be offended by my drive to try to persuide people about what i have read over the years, you do your thing and ill do mine and we can have different opinions
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-Igor[超潇洒的祖籍俄澳大利亚人，本地爱好者中他经常开着前驱型的很漂亮TOM'S Celica 潇洒比赛夺冠]
他只是个傀儡。
He's just puppet.
-Riikan
是的，这就是悲哀的现实。但从历史来看，有时候傀儡的操纵者蠢得要命，连傀儡都受不了（比如二战时期，许多东南亚的地方领导人最终都反抗了顽固、思想僵化的日军将领
）。最近那个新闻发布会上的争论视频情景，真的给人一种极度类比的感觉……yep sad truth, but we know from history sometimes puppeteer just so stupid even puppets got fed up ( like wwii many SEA leaders defied sturbon, fossilized IJP generals?
) that recent press conference arguing vid gave quite striking similar feel...----
-Garry[米国左派Celica 车友]
我支持乌克兰！
