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#1 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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可惜。看到地方群和老师群里好几个家长说2020年小孩高中毕业时赶上新冠,毕业典礼取消。今年大学的校级毕业典礼又取消。说参加抗议的只是一小部分学生,但所有毕业班都受影响。
https://commencement.columbia.edu/content/announcements
“Based on feedback from our students, we have decided to focus attention on our Class Days and school-level graduation ceremonies, where students are honored individually alongside their peers, and to forego the university-wide ceremony that is scheduled for May 15.”
5月15日全校范围的毕业典礼取消,各学院的毕业典礼按计划进行。
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#2 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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所以,学运虽然没能坚持,但是有些事情从此变了,或开始变了。学生还是要比普通屁民敏感的,大乱子不远了。
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#3 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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fard 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 19:20 所以,学运虽然没能坚持,但是有些事情从此变了,或开始变了。学生还是要比普通屁民敏感的,大乱子不远了。
你们那里的家长态度怎样?我在的几个群的家长都反对学生示威抗议,反对西北、Brown的校方示弱或妥协,强赞弗罗里达校长的强硬。
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#4 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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wh 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 19:27 你们那里的家长态度怎样?我在的几个群的家长都反对学生示威抗议,反对西北、Brown的校方示弱或妥协,强赞弗罗里达校长的强硬。
这些家长才是正常,那些抗议的学生坏了一锅粥……
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#5 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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wh 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 19:27 你们那里的家长态度怎样?我在的几个群的家长都反对学生示威抗议,反对西北、Brown的校方示弱或妥协,强赞弗罗里达校长的强硬。
作为家长当然都是无一例外的认为孩子到学校是去念书的,而不是别的,从古到今,五湖四海都是永恒不变的。我们孩子所在的那个学校也是闹的最厉害的之一,我们的态度还能是怎样的。但是,从国家和社会的角度,美国的两党把美国搞到如此的地步了,年轻人还是无动于衷的话,那就不是人类了。
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#6 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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这个校长实在应该赶紧滚蛋。
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#7 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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VladPutin 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 20:17 这个校长实在应该赶紧滚蛋。
咋了?我们群里有个哥大的老师,说校长已经尽力调和了……
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#8 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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fard 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 20:09 作为家长当然都是无一例外的认为孩子到学校是去念书的,而不是别的,从古到今,五湖四海都是永恒不变的。我们孩子所在的那个学校也是闹的最厉害的之一,我们的态度还能是怎样的。但是,从国家和社会的角度,美国的两党把美国搞到如此的地步了,年轻人还是无动于衷的话,那就不是人类了。
内政是很一塌糊涂,不过学生抗议的是外政吧?我感觉学生一开始应该讲清楚停战的目标,而不是笼统地支持某一方。我看到几个学生会后来发的官方发言,说目标不是支持巴勒斯坦,而是停战、反对一切暴力。那不会引起争议。另外抗议需要遵守校规。有的学生会答应在学校规定的范围内抗议,几点之前结束,但做的时候又是另一套,在学生集中的地方抗议,又不按时结束,那就不地道了。
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#9 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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wh 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 21:01 咋了?我们群里有个哥大的老师,说校长已经尽力调和了……
校长报警已经违背了基本做人的良心和大学处理这类事件的基本原则,直接导致了抗议蔓延到全美各大高校。此人精英思维严重,不适合处理危机。
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wh 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 21:06 内政是很一塌糊涂,不过学生抗议的是外政吧?我感觉学生一开始应该讲清楚停战的目标,而不是笼统地支持某一方。我看到几个学生会后来发的官方发言,说目标不是支持巴勒斯坦,而是停战、反对一切暴力。那不会引起争议。另外抗议需要遵守校规。有的学生会答应在学校规定的范围内抗议,几点之前结束,但做的时候又是另一套,在学生集中的地方抗议,又不按时结束,那就不地道了。
导火索和真的原因往往并不是相同的。另外,任何运动燃起来之后,往往都是和初衷走的很远。再个,镇压的一方肯定是要歪曲,制造镇压的理由。
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#11 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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VladPutin 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 21:28 校长报警已经违背了基本做人的良心和大学处理这类事件的基本原则,直接导致了抗议蔓延到全美各大高校。此人精英思维严重,不适合处理危机。
精英思维指什么?维护校方利益?看她在一个公开视频里说学生占据了hamilton hall搞破坏,对其他学生和示威学生都不安全。校方和学生谈判了八天八夜,学生还是不能接受校方的提议。估计学生闹得太大,学校无法收场,才叫警察的吧?叫警察的学校也不少,耶鲁、usc、ucla都叫了是吧。不过也有人说这位校长最初太激进,否则可能不会发展到后来的地步。我也不知道她最初怎么激进。还有人说她出身穆斯林,所以敢于下手。

刚看到一篇文章分析一些冲突激烈的学校做得不妥的地方,和一些减缓冲突的学校做得好的地方,看看有没有道理:
https://www.vox.com/24147461/columbia-g ... n-students
The lessons from colleges that didn’t call the police
Deescalating conflict around protests was possible, but many colleges turned to law enforcement instead.
By Abdallah Fayyad | May 3, 2024, 5:00pm EDT
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A messy and misguided response to protests
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In many cases, universities have alleged that the protests were disruptive and pointed to the fact that some Jewish students felt that the encampments created an unsafe environment for them on campus. While harassment and intimidation can be reasons to involve law enforcement, the accusations against these protesters mostly focused on their chants and campaign slogans — and in many cases wrongly conflate anti-Israel rhetoric with antisemitism. (It’s worth noting that the arrested student protesters have largely been charged with trespassing, not harassment or violent acts.)

One of the other problems with how many universities and officials have responded to pro-Palestinian demonstrations is that they have changed their protest rules since October 7, in some instances specifically targeting Palestinian solidarity groups.

At Columbia, for example, the university issued onerous protest guidelines, including limiting the areas students are allowed to protest and requiring that demonstrations be registered weeks in advance. Northwestern University abruptly imposed a ban on erecting tents and other structures on campus, undermining ongoing protests. Indiana University preemptively changed its rules one day before its students set up an encampment by disallowing tents and changing a decades-old rule. And in Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order requiring that public universities change their free speech policies and singled out pro-Palestinian groups that he said ought to be disciplined.

Such moves have only added fuel to the protests. They also put students and faculty in danger, as police have conducted violent arrests. (Why were there snipers on roofs at Indiana University, anyway?)

It can also ultimately be ineffective; after state troopers arrested students at the University of Texas, for example, the Travis County Attorney’s Office dismissed the criminal trespassing charges, saying they lacked probable cause.

Is there a better response to campus protests?

Not all universities have turned to the police in response to pro-Palestinian protests. Those that chose a different path have seen much less tension than those that did.

Evergreen State College, for example, agreed to its student demands, promising to divest from businesses profiting off human rights violations in the occupied Palestinian territories. Students agreed to end their encampment in response.

Schools that didn’t necessarily acquiesce to protesters’ demands took other, non-escalatory steps to quell demonstrations. Brown University, which had last year called police to disband protesters, took an alternative approach this time around: The university negotiated with protesters, and organizers agreed to clear the encampment earlier this week after the school’s governing body announced that it will hold a vote on divesting from companies with ties to Israel later this year. Northwestern University similarly reached a deal with its students by reestablishing an advisory committee on its investments.

At Michigan State University, President Kevin Guskiewicz visited the student encampment himself and talked to the protesters about their concerns. He allowed students to continue the protest, so long as they applied for a permit, which the students did and the university granted. As a result, the school has avoided the kind of disruptions seen at Columbia and other universities.

There’s a simple way for universities to handle these protests: Treat them like other protests.

As the American Civil Liberties Union wrote in an open letter to college and university presidents, schools can announce content-neutral rules and enforce them — that is, set up guidelines that don’t just target certain protests, such as the ongoing pro-Palestinian ones. “The rules must not only be content neutral on their face; they must also be applied in a content-neutral manner. If a university has routinely tolerated violations of its rules, and suddenly enforces them harshly in a specific context, singling out particular views for punishment, the fact that the policy is formally neutral on its face does not make viewpoint-based enforcement permissible,” the ACLU wrote.

At Columbia, where the aggressive police response started a national pattern, it’s hard to argue that enforcement was neutral from the start of the encampment. “Just imagine these students were protesting, say, in solidarity with women’s protests in Iran,” wrote Zeynep Tufekci, a sociology professor at Princeton and author of the book Twitter and Tear Gas: The Power and Fragility of Networked Protest, in a post on X. “I don’t see how [the] NYPD would have been called in to arrest them 36 hours into their then small protest.”

Instead, Columbia called law enforcement, and now campuses across the country are environments that are unsafe for students and faculty alike. Pro-Israel counterprotesters, for example, attacked student encampments earlier this week at the University of California Los Angeles with pepper spray, wooden planks, and fireworks. (Notably, while schools acted swiftly to uproot the encampments, UCLA was an example of how slow they have been in actually protecting the protesters from violence.)

Ultimately, the moment Shafik called in the NYPD set the stage for a far more disruptive end of the semester for schools nationwide than what the original protests would have achieved on their own.

“From the very beginning, calling in the police quickly has been an escalatory dynamic,” Tufekci wrote on X. “It almost always is.”
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没人提参加抗议的有多少是在校学生?有人专业抗议的 人家吃这碗饭 当然年轻人里也有精力过剩不管什么事先抗议了再说
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fard 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 21:51 导火索和真的原因往往并不是相同的。另外,任何运动燃起来之后,往往都是和初衷走的很远。再个,镇压的一方肯定是要歪曲,制造镇压的理由。
你觉得是因为两党引起的?学生是对哪个党不满?还是两个都有?
不知道哥大乱到什么程度。照上面那篇报道,校方完全可以和平收场,不必叫警察。我们群里的哥大老师说有些示威人士表现过头,导致双输。估计即使亲临其境的人也没有统一的看法。哥大好像至少毕业班都改成了网课,校长说这届同学入校时和毕业时都在上网课,一副深有憾焉的样子。
看看以后会怎样。美国这几年确实分裂得厉害,政治家们吵来吵去大作秀,连带论坛微信群里的老百姓也跟着吵。希望经济好,大家心情愉快点,架就吵不起来了 :D
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Dancerock 写了: 2024年 5月 7日 14:10 没人提参加抗议的有多少是在校学生?有人专业抗议的 人家吃这碗饭 当然年轻人里也有精力过剩不管什么事先抗议了再说
嗯,不知道有多少校外人员,大概也很难统计。
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#15 Re: 哥大还是取消了校级毕业典礼

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Zephyrca 写了: 2024年 5月 6日 19:44 这些家长才是正常,那些抗议的学生坏了一锅粥……
家长都是油条,利己主义者。
学生都是青春的理想主义者
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