别又乱来。见上贴。pspsps 写了: 2024年 1月 26日 19:02 你可真无聊。在被他们围起来的那块地方里面,他们对隐私有合理预期,所以有人想拍就就违法,这和把手机伸到别人裙子下面偷拍没区别。但如果他们围起来的屏障意外倒了,被别人拍到,就完全不违法。 这点和裙子被风掀起来被拍到走光属于同类性质。
在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
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#135 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
#136 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
Sec. 1801. Video voyeurism
``(a) Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction
of the United States, has the intent to capture an image of a private
area of an individual without their consent, and knowingly does so under
circumstances in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of
privacy, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one
year, or both.
``(b) In this section--
``(1) the term `capture', with respect to an image, means to
videotape, photograph, film, record by any means, or broadcast;
``(2) the term `broadcast' means to electronically transmit
a visual image with the intent that it be viewed by a person or
persons;
``(3) the term `a private area of the individual' means the
naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or
female breast of that individual;
``(4) the term `female breast' means any portion of the
female breast below the top of the areola; and
``(5) the term `under circumstances in which that individual
has a reasonable expectation of privacy' means--
``(A) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that he or she could disrobe in privacy,
without being concerned that an image of a private area
of the individual was being captured; or
``(B) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that a private area of the individual
would not be visible to the public, regardless of whether that
person is in a public or private place.
https://www.congress.gov/108/plaws/publ ... ubl495.htm
``(a) Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction
of the United States, has the intent to capture an image of a private
area of an individual without their consent, and knowingly does so under
circumstances in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of
privacy, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one
year, or both.
``(b) In this section--
``(1) the term `capture', with respect to an image, means to
videotape, photograph, film, record by any means, or broadcast;
``(2) the term `broadcast' means to electronically transmit
a visual image with the intent that it be viewed by a person or
persons;
``(3) the term `a private area of the individual' means the
naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or
female breast of that individual;
``(4) the term `female breast' means any portion of the
female breast below the top of the areola; and
``(5) the term `under circumstances in which that individual
has a reasonable expectation of privacy' means--
``(A) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that he or she could disrobe in privacy,
without being concerned that an image of a private area
of the individual was being captured; or
``(B) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that a private area of the individual
would not be visible to the public, regardless of whether that
person is in a public or private place.
https://www.congress.gov/108/plaws/publ ... ubl495.htm
#137 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
乱来的是你吧。当你把一块地方用屏风之类的东西围起来的时候,你的目的就是在屏风后保持隐私。如果屏风倒了,你当然不能对隐私还有合理的期望
#138 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
真搞笑。你爬树偷拍,当然符合“intent”这一条。你自己走光了,恰好被我拍到,你如何证明我的”intent“?meiyoumajia 写了: 2024年 1月 26日 19:09 Sec. 1801. Video voyeurism
``(a) Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction
of the United States, has the intent to capture an image of a private
area of an individual without their consent, and knowingly does so under
circumstances in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of
privacy, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one
year, or both.
``(b) In this section--
``(1) the term `capture', with respect to an image, means to
videotape, photograph, film, record by any means, or broadcast;
``(2) the term `broadcast' means to electronically transmit
a visual image with the intent that it be viewed by a person or
persons;
``(3) the term `a private area of the individual' means the
naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or
female breast of that individual;
``(4) the term `female breast' means any portion of the
female breast below the top of the areola; and
``(5) the term `under circumstances in which that individual
has a reasonable expectation of privacy' means--
``(A) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that he or she could disrobe in privacy,
without being concerned that an image of a private area
of the individual was being captured; or
``(B) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that a private area of the individual
would not be visible to the public, regardless of whether that
person is in a public or private place.
https://www.congress.gov/108/plaws/publ ... ubl495.htm
#139 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
为了回应必须是裙子的说法,我举了那个例子作为反例。
你呢?硬是像之前多次那样,非要扯远。我把法律条款内容贴全是为了呈现全部面貌,而你忍不住把你自己的小东西往上靠。
#141 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
这里大概除了你,没人认为必须是“裙子”。裙子只是一个比较方便的例子。meiyoumajia 写了: 2024年 1月 26日 19:20 为了回应必须是裙子的说法,我举了那个例子作为反例。
你呢?硬是像之前多次那样,非要扯远。我把法律条款内容贴全是为了呈现全部面貌,而你忍不住把你自己的小东西往上靠。
顺便说一下,我用的是爬到树上和走光。并没有提到裙子。第一:走光必须是裙子掀起来才会发生吗?第二:在树上能看到裙底吗?不是说绝对不能,但机会几乎为零。
你这贴很明显又回到了人身攻击的老路。是因为理屈词穷了吗?
#142 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
In plain view 是很多律师给非专业人士讲解这方面法律时用的词语,你如果非要认为你比那么多律师都正确,我也可以不用这个词。就用reasonable expectation of privacy 也行。meiyoumajia 写了: 2024年 1月 26日 18:58 “in a public or private place”
(3) the term `a private area of the individual' means the
naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or
female breast of that individual;
为什么非得只与裙子有关?
in plain view在法律条文的什么地方?
前面有网友解释了这个换衣服的例子和裙子问题是一回事,我同意他的解释,就不再说了。
#143 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
那是我理解错了。pspsps 写了: 2024年 1月 26日 19:26 这里大概除了你,没人认为必须是“裙子”。裙子只是一个比较方便的例子。
顺便说一下,我用的是爬到树上和走光。并没有提到裙子。第一:走光必须是裙子掀起来才会发生吗?第二:在树上能看到裙底吗?不是说绝对不能,但机会几乎为零。
你这贴很明显又回到了人身攻击的老路。是因为理屈词穷了吗?
在前面你认为的:倒在地上在特定方位才能拍到私处也可以随便拍,与爬到树上随便拍有根本区别吗?
#152 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
争论就是从你瞎扯蛋开始的
然后我提了这个。。。此后你还在不断扯淡
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在有些特殊情况下应该也不被允许,即使没有交谈/对话。
比如,穿裙子的女孩突然被自行车撞倒,从某个方向拍。。。
有个男的不慎掉了裤带。。。
这些情况在其它条款里会有覆盖。盯着看都不应该被允许,别说拍照。。。
#154 Re: 在英美,关于在公共场合拒绝被拍摄和录像的法律问题
靠,你这倒打一耙的本事真不错。你最开始拿录音的法律来说录像的事情才是真正的瞎扯淡。meiyoumajia 写了: 2024年 1月 26日 19:54 争论就是从你瞎扯蛋开始的
然后我提了这个。。。此后你还在不断扯淡
----第三贴--------
在有些特殊情况下应该也不被允许,即使没有交谈/对话。
比如,穿裙子的女孩突然被自行车撞倒,从某个方向拍。。。
有个男的不慎掉了裤带。。。
这些情况在其它条款里会有覆盖。盯着看都不应该被允许,别说拍照。。。