这个翻译比之前的更完整。
We publish a request from the editors of the Arguments of the Week publication and the answer:
Hello colleagues!
Dear Evgeny Viktorovich!
President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, in an interview with the Associated Press, said that he would defend Bakhmut to the end. According to him, the loss of Bakhmut could force the Ukrainian side and other states into peace talks with Moscow.
We would like to receive your comment on this matter.
After the capture of Popasna, the battle for Bakhmut was planned by my commanders last summer, and we are systematically moving along this path. The battle for Bakhmut today has already practically destroyed the Ukrainian army and, unfortunately, the Wagner PMC has been pretty battered. If today two powers are fighting: Ukraine with the collective West on the one hand and Russia with a small number of allies, then the general battle of the Wagner PMC against the Armed Forces with the introduction of foreign units into it, in which the Wagner PMC will win, is a serious turn in this war and in all modern stories. PMC Wagner destroys foreign forces that are trying to bring Russia to its knees, this is a serious turn in the war, because only one Russian army will remain on the chessboard, and all other pieces will be removed from it. And if PMC Wagner dies in the Bakhmut meat grinder and takes with him the Armed Forces and its forces with foreign weapons, etc., and enables the Russian army to go further and protect the interests of Russia, then we have fulfilled our historical role. And here you can put a point. But I would add one more thing, everyone else should be ready to go forward. I remind you again, the flanks south and north (the Russian army in these directions) must go and tear everything else - that's when history will be made.
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Prighozin then added:
You ask for ammunition - political ambitions, you want to bury a soldier with honors - political ambitions, you stood up for a 12-year-old child - political ambitions! In our country, no one has political ambitions, the country should be without political ambitions! And the fact that you flutter your tongue, it would be better if you stood up for a twelve-year-old child! The law is needed for someone who says the phrase "political ambitions" - execution on the spot. All!
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You ask for ammunition - political ambitions, you want to bury a soldier with honors - political ambitions, you stood up for a 12-year-old child - political ambitions! In our country, no one has political ambitions, the country should be without political ambitions! And the fact that you flutter your tongue, it would be better if you stood up for a twelve-year-old child! The law is needed for someone who says the phrase "political ambitions" - execution on the spot. All!
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reznikov（基本不算是个军人）有一些道理，但基本是错的。但他的看法可能被一些人在传。前两天就有人重复了他的最基本观点。
但是：乌军的炮火基本上还是苏联/俄国式的
100天前，forbes的一篇文章说：俄国入侵时乌军备有近3000门大炮，俄军6000门。（但俄军的弹药库存量要大很多很多。）西方（包括东欧一些国家）赠送了“a few hundred”。那里面有些可能是苏联/俄国式的。即使双方大炮减半（应该没有那么严重，大炮比较远，大多打完就跑/隐蔽了，比较不容易被发现），过去100天可能最多也就增加了“a few hundreds”。
很早就报道了：俄军的点炮只要2-3次矫正就可以打得很准。特别准的m777的准确度是3米。himmars被用得比较有限。mlrs是覆盖性的。整体说有5倍精确度的差距===绝对是在明显夸张。事实是：俄军在过去3个多月里，从顿涅斯克往北一直基本在靠火力优势在累积性地推进（making incremental prrogresses）。
（当然，俄军有自己很准的较高级的导弹，数量比乌军多很多。但是与炮弹比起来，在总量和总毁灭力上还是会差了2-3个量级。）
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2 ... b5248faed7
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Reznikov said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine spend from 4 to 7 thousand shells per day, and the Russian army - up to 20 thousand.
According to him, the large warehouse stocks of shells in the Russian Federation is only one side of the coin.
"We [in addition to Soviet weapons] use NATO-standard 155-caliber guns. This means that these gun systems are more accurate," he said.
Where a less accurate Soviet cannon would need 10 rounds to destroy a target, the more accurate Western cannon would do the job with just two rounds, the minister said.
"This is not a war between a small Soviet army and a larger Soviet army. These are two different armies. We are more creative with more modern equipment and thinking. That's why we try to use less ammunition," Reznikov explained.
Reznikov also recalled that last week the EU approved a decision to transfer 1 million artillery shells to Ukraine within a year, saying that this would allow the Armed Forces to operate more efficiently.
Earlier, France promised to increase the supply of shells to Ukraine up to 2,000 per month. That is, this volume will be enough for the AFU, at the current rate of consumption, at best, for half a day.
Zin Note: Thanks, I needed a laugh... First of all, no other source repeats these numbers. 155 mm artillery guns are 5 times as accurate? I thought Zelensky was the comedian...
但是：乌军的炮火基本上还是苏联/俄国式的
100天前，forbes的一篇文章说：俄国入侵时乌军备有近3000门大炮，俄军6000门。（但俄军的弹药库存量要大很多很多。）西方（包括东欧一些国家）赠送了“a few hundred”。那里面有些可能是苏联/俄国式的。即使双方大炮减半（应该没有那么严重，大炮比较远，大多打完就跑/隐蔽了，比较不容易被发现），过去100天可能最多也就增加了“a few hundreds”。
很早就报道了：俄军的点炮只要2-3次矫正就可以打得很准。特别准的m777的准确度是3米。himmars被用得比较有限。mlrs是覆盖性的。整体说有5倍精确度的差距===绝对是在明显夸张。事实是：俄军在过去3个多月里，从顿涅斯克往北一直基本在靠火力优势在累积性地推进（making incremental prrogresses）。
（当然，俄军有自己很准的较高级的导弹，数量比乌军多很多。但是与炮弹比起来，在总量和总毁灭力上还是会差了2-3个量级。）
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2 ... b5248faed7
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Reznikov said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine spend from 4 to 7 thousand shells per day, and the Russian army - up to 20 thousand.
According to him, the large warehouse stocks of shells in the Russian Federation is only one side of the coin.
"We [in addition to Soviet weapons] use NATO-standard 155-caliber guns. This means that these gun systems are more accurate," he said.
Where a less accurate Soviet cannon would need 10 rounds to destroy a target, the more accurate Western cannon would do the job with just two rounds, the minister said.
"This is not a war between a small Soviet army and a larger Soviet army. These are two different armies. We are more creative with more modern equipment and thinking. That's why we try to use less ammunition," Reznikov explained.
Reznikov also recalled that last week the EU approved a decision to transfer 1 million artillery shells to Ukraine within a year, saying that this would allow the Armed Forces to operate more efficiently.
Earlier, France promised to increase the supply of shells to Ukraine up to 2,000 per month. That is, this volume will be enough for the AFU, at the current rate of consumption, at best, for half a day.
Zin Note: Thanks, I needed a laugh... First of all, no other source repeats these numbers. 155 mm artillery guns are 5 times as accurate? I thought Zelensky was the comedian...
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Speaking of stupidity, Kuleba says, "hold my beer."
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba warned China about the consequences of arms supplies to Russia
“I made it clear to Chinese officials that it is very inappropriate to try to equate military support for Ukraine with military support for Russia. Ukraine is exercising its right to self-defense to protect its territorial integrity. And so the countries that supply weapons to Ukraine are helping to protect the UN Charter. Countries that supply weapons to Russia will become accomplices in the crime of aggression and violation of the territorial integrity of a sovereign country,” Dmitry Kuleba said.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba warned China about the consequences of arms supplies to Russia
“I made it clear to Chinese officials that it is very inappropriate to try to equate military support for Ukraine with military support for Russia. Ukraine is exercising its right to self-defense to protect its territorial integrity. And so the countries that supply weapons to Ukraine are helping to protect the UN Charter. Countries that supply weapons to Russia will become accomplices in the crime of aggression and violation of the territorial integrity of a sovereign country,” Dmitry Kuleba said.
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prigozhin的这个讨论值得细看
他对乌军现在的大致布局应该比较了解
Part 2 of the translation of the Prighozin sit rep video! Okay, this section is less Prigozhin, more his Captain explaining numbers.
Translated by Max, Slavyangrad.
他对乌军现在的大致布局应该比较了解
Part 2 of the translation of the Prighozin sit rep video! Okay, this section is less Prigozhin, more his Captain explaining numbers.
Translated by Max, Slavyangrad.
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在前面转过的一个视频里，prigozhin说过：（俄）媒体上的多数专家和网上（被比较多地关注的）频道对战场情况还是相当了解的，但有一部分人很差劲。
他应该是对的。俄乌双方不少人都有认识的兵民亲友就在激战地区，而且与其他人一样也能看到（抽样性质的）很多近期视频。因此，他们对最近战况的判断应该不会太偏离现实。但对将要发生的大事情就难说了。未来的悬念让他们很多人明显有了更多的焦虑，担心在将要发生的对决中自己方会明显失利。
他应该是对的。俄乌双方不少人都有认识的兵民亲友就在激战地区，而且与其他人一样也能看到（抽样性质的）很多近期视频。因此，他们对最近战况的判断应该不会太偏离现实。但对将要发生的大事情就难说了。未来的悬念让他们很多人明显有了更多的焦虑，担心在将要发生的对决中自己方会明显失利。
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then they will fail again
nevertheless, don't worry
the third time will be the charm
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The second part of the 123rd troop battalion from Kupyansk (Kharkiv region) arrived in the Bakhmut direction (photo 1) . The first part of the battalion was defeated by the fighters of the PMC "Wagner" near Bakhmut in the winter.
In comparison with Bakhmut, the intensity of fighting in the Kupyansk direction is much lower, and now there are armed formations of zapadentsy in Kupyansk (photo 2) .
One way or another, sending Kupyansk's defense fighters for the second time in three months to the "Bakhmut meat grinder" is an unbiased decision of the Kyiv regime (no).
nevertheless, don't worry
the third time will be the charm
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The second part of the 123rd troop battalion from Kupyansk (Kharkiv region) arrived in the Bakhmut direction (photo 1) . The first part of the battalion was defeated by the fighters of the PMC "Wagner" near Bakhmut in the winter.
In comparison with Bakhmut, the intensity of fighting in the Kupyansk direction is much lower, and now there are armed formations of zapadentsy in Kupyansk (photo 2) .
One way or another, sending Kupyansk's defense fighters for the second time in three months to the "Bakhmut meat grinder" is an unbiased decision of the Kyiv regime (no).
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Our pilots "keep in tune" the physical form of the enemy or simply multiply it by zero.
ukrainian 72nd Separate Mechanized Brigade named after Black Zaporozhets.
ukrainian 72nd Separate Mechanized Brigade named after Black Zaporozhets.
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The territory in Bakhmut under the control of Ukrainian nationalists is rapidly shrinking - especially strong fighting in the central region and on the outskirts of the center.
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Soldiers of the "Orchestra" continue to break through the defenses of the enemy, who has settled in the building in the western part of Svoboda Street. Promotion to administrative buildings.
Stormtroopers, cleaning out the industrial zone of the Non-Ferrous Metals Plant, are advancing towards the center.
From the southern part of the city, pressure continues on the south-west and the center of the city - work beyond the controlled Mariupolskaya Street and along Shirokaya Street.
The counter-offensive announced by the Ukrainian command with the aim of deblocking Bakhmut did not begin.
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Soldiers of the "Orchestra" continue to break through the defenses of the enemy, who has settled in the building in the western part of Svoboda Street. Promotion to administrative buildings.
Stormtroopers, cleaning out the industrial zone of the Non-Ferrous Metals Plant, are advancing towards the center.
From the southern part of the city, pressure continues on the south-west and the center of the city - work beyond the controlled Mariupolskaya Street and along Shirokaya Street.
The counter-offensive announced by the Ukrainian command with the aim of deblocking Bakhmut did not begin.
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At night, snipers of the DPR OBTF "Kaskad" watched with interest how, after an unsuccessful assault attempt, several neo-Nazis tried to evacuate their "brothers" on stretchers, but still decided to leave them to their fate.
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最新战况！乌克兰大规模反攻要开始了
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在2023年3月26日发布的社交媒体图片指无人机在顿涅茨克地区巴赫穆特Bakhmut上空拍摄的画面显示俄罗斯入侵乌克兰对当地严重毁坏的状况。 © Kholodny Yar via REUTERS - 93RD MECHANIZED BRIGADE "KHOLOD
乌克兰29日袭击了一个铁路仓库，并在前线深处的俄罗斯占领城市梅利托波尔摧毁了俄军使用的电力设备。乌克兰军队越来越多地报告对因冬季攻势失败而疲惫不堪的俄罗斯军队进行反击。
据路透社今天报道，乌克兰军队在前线深处袭击了俄罗斯控制的城市。互联网上未经证实的图片显示，梅利托波尔 (Melitopol) 是俄罗斯控制的政府在扎波罗热 (Zaporizhzhia) 的基地，爆炸声照亮了夜空，梅利托波尔 (Melitopol) 是俄罗斯声称吞并的五个乌克兰省份之一。
乌克兰该城流亡市长证实那里发生了爆炸。俄罗斯国家塔斯社援引莫斯科任命的官员的话称，一个铁路仓库遭到破坏，城市和附近村庄的电力中断。
梅利托波尔战前人口约 15 万，是俄罗斯军队在乌克兰南部的铁路物流枢纽，也是连接俄罗斯与被占领的克里米亚半岛的陆桥的战略要塞。
没有关于乌克兰可能用于袭击的武器的公开信息。这座城市位于乌克兰 HIMARS 火箭射程的最边缘，据称乌军正在部署的新型武器射程也能覆盖该地，包括空射 JDAM 炸弹和美国承诺的地面发射 GLSDB 弹药。
俄罗斯表示，它在周二击落了一架无人机GLSDB，这是俄军首次报告这样的阻击。
在基辅暗示可能很快对俄罗斯军队发动反击之际，乌军轰炸可能会阻碍莫斯科的后方后勤保障。战地报告称，这里也是这场战争是最血腥的战斗场所，俄罗斯军队在长达数月的攻势中仍未取得重大胜利。
据路透社说，梅利托波尔位于俄罗斯控制的 Zaporizhzhia 核电站以南，联合国核机构负责人拉斐尔·格罗西 (Rafael Grossi) 周三访问了该核电站，他一再呼吁在那里建立安全区，称局势没有改善，附近的战斗已经恶化。
自近五个月前取得最后一次重大进展以来，乌克兰军队主要坚持守势。在那段时间里，莫斯科动用了数十万预备役军人和从监狱招募的数万名罪犯为雇佣军瓦格纳私人军队发动了冬季突击。
但随着冬去春来，俄罗斯军队的攻势还能维持多久以及乌克兰人何时反击的问题悬而未决。
有明显迹象表明俄罗斯的攻击正在减弱。乌克兰总参谋部报告的俄罗斯前线每日平均袭击次数自 3 月初以来连续四周下降，过去 7 天从 3 月 1 日至 7 日当周的 124 次降至 69 次。周三仅报告了 57 起袭击事件。
在巴赫穆特以西和更北的前线附近的路透社记者也报道说，上周俄罗斯袭击的强度显着下降。
反攻之前的一种期待感正在乌克兰内部形成。
尽管双方都伤亡惨重，但俄罗斯军队没有取得重大进展，乌克兰和西方官员表示，他们怀疑俄罗斯的进攻力量很快就会被消耗殆尽。
俄罗斯官员说，他们的部队仍在巴赫穆特内部的巷战中夺取阵地，东部小城市几个月来一直是他们的主要目标。但到目前为止，他们未能包围它并迫使乌克兰军队撤退，而这在几周前似乎很有可能。
英国军事情报机构周三表示，乌克兰军队已成功将俄罗斯军队从主要补给线赶回巴赫穆特，而且俄罗斯对该市的袭击正在减弱。
上周，莫斯科还对南部的一个小城市 Avdiivka 发动了新的袭击。英国表示，这也未能取得进展，同时导致俄罗斯装甲部队遭受巨大损失。
本周还看到第一批整套的西方主战坦克抵达基辅。俄罗斯的 RIA 通讯社报道说，莫斯科已向其军队派遣了数百辆新的和翻新的自己的坦克，这是一个明显的回应。
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就这些？？？？？？？
俄/乌的频道在1-2小时内就有了消息。还最新？？？？？
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pathdream 写了： 2023年 3月 30日 11:44 最新战况！乌克兰大规模反攻要开始了
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在2023年3月26日发布的社交媒体图片指无人机在顿涅茨克地区巴赫穆特Bakhmut上空拍摄的画面显示俄罗斯入侵乌克兰对当地严重毁坏的状况。 © Kholodny Yar via REUTERS - 93RD MECHANIZED BRIGADE "KHOLOD
乌克兰29日袭击了一个铁路仓库，并在前线深处的俄罗斯占领城市梅利托波尔摧毁了俄军使用的电力设备。乌克兰军队越来越多地报告对因冬季攻势失败而疲惫不堪的俄罗斯军队进行反击。
据路透社今天报道，乌克兰军队在前线深处袭击了俄罗斯控制的城市。互联网上未经证实的图片显示，梅利托波尔 (Melitopol) 是俄罗斯控制的政府在扎波罗热 (Zaporizhzhia) 的基地，爆炸声照亮了夜空，梅利托波尔 (Melitopol) 是俄罗斯声称吞并的五个乌克兰省份之一。
乌克兰该城流亡市长证实那里发生了爆炸。俄罗斯国家塔斯社援引莫斯科任命的官员的话称，一个铁路仓库遭到破坏，城市和附近村庄的电力中断。
梅利托波尔战前人口约 15 万，是俄罗斯军队在乌克兰南部的铁路物流枢纽，也是连接俄罗斯与被占领的克里米亚半岛的陆桥的战略要塞。
没有关于乌克兰可能用于袭击的武器的公开信息。这座城市位于乌克兰 HIMARS 火箭射程的最边缘，据称乌军正在部署的新型武器射程也能覆盖该地，包括空射 JDAM 炸弹和美国承诺的地面发射 GLSDB 弹药。
俄罗斯表示，它在周二击落了一架无人机GLSDB，这是俄军首次报告这样的阻击。
在基辅暗示可能很快对俄罗斯军队发动反击之际，乌军轰炸可能会阻碍莫斯科的后方后勤保障。战地报告称，这里也是这场战争是最血腥的战斗场所，俄罗斯军队在长达数月的攻势中仍未取得重大胜利。
据路透社说，梅利托波尔位于俄罗斯控制的 Zaporizhzhia 核电站以南，联合国核机构负责人拉斐尔·格罗西 (Rafael Grossi) 周三访问了该核电站，他一再呼吁在那里建立安全区，称局势没有改善，附近的战斗已经恶化。
自近五个月前取得最后一次重大进展以来，乌克兰军队主要坚持守势。在那段时间里，莫斯科动用了数十万预备役军人和从监狱招募的数万名罪犯为雇佣军瓦格纳私人军队发动了冬季突击。
但随着冬去春来，俄罗斯军队的攻势还能维持多久以及乌克兰人何时反击的问题悬而未决。
有明显迹象表明俄罗斯的攻击正在减弱。乌克兰总参谋部报告的俄罗斯前线每日平均袭击次数自 3 月初以来连续四周下降，过去 7 天从 3 月 1 日至 7 日当周的 124 次降至 69 次。周三仅报告了 57 起袭击事件。
在巴赫穆特以西和更北的前线附近的路透社记者也报道说，上周俄罗斯袭击的强度显着下降。
反攻之前的一种期待感正在乌克兰内部形成。
尽管双方都伤亡惨重，但俄罗斯军队没有取得重大进展，乌克兰和西方官员表示，他们怀疑俄罗斯的进攻力量很快就会被消耗殆尽。
俄罗斯官员说，他们的部队仍在巴赫穆特内部的巷战中夺取阵地，东部小城市几个月来一直是他们的主要目标。但到目前为止，他们未能包围它并迫使乌克兰军队撤退，而这在几周前似乎很有可能。
英国军事情报机构周三表示，乌克兰军队已成功将俄罗斯军队从主要补给线赶回巴赫穆特，而且俄罗斯对该市的袭击正在减弱。
上周，莫斯科还对南部的一个小城市 Avdiivka 发动了新的袭击。英国表示，这也未能取得进展，同时导致俄罗斯装甲部队遭受巨大损失。
本周还看到第一批整套的西方主战坦克抵达基辅。俄罗斯的 RIA 通讯社报道说，莫斯科已向其军队派遣了数百辆新的和翻新的自己的坦克，这是一个明显的回应。
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Re: 俄对美德英波法乌等的战争之Bakhmut战，和其它，和然后，和中国，和宇宙
就这？？？？
前一条在昨天晚上才出现，也就是10小时左右的情况。
而他访华的消息早就有了
你的消息太迟了
把两个扯在一起太搞笑了
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