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ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:32 德军战俘死亡率不止10%那么低吧。你之前不是自己拿出60%的数字吗？而侵华日军病死率可能低于10%。我只是假设侵华日军前后总共有200万，实际可能更高比如四五百万，那么病死率就只有5%甚至更低了。
ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:40 其实德国战俘死了100万，占战俘总人数300万的差不多三分之一。苏联只承认30万的死亡，这就是你所谓10%死亡率的来源。这其实是苏联为了掩盖自己虐待战俘否认事实啊，还有70万德军战俘生不见人死不见尸，其实也是被苏联人虐死了。
According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4] According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), and additionally maintains that "It seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that 700,000 German military personnel listed as missing actually died in Soviet custody."[6][5]
fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:38 你一会说日军病死10%很高了，现在又说德国战俘病死10%太低了， 那么病死10%到底是高还是低，有没有准谱？
60%是德军被苏联俘虏后“一度”的最高病死率。德国最新的研究是整个战争中纳粹战俘在苏联集中营的病死率是11.8%。
fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:41 “但在整个战争中，德国战俘的死亡率低于苏联战俘则是一个公认事实。按照俄罗斯发表的数字，在370万德国战俘中（包括战后投降人员），死亡了46万以上（10万人死于押解中），死亡率12%。而德国最新确认的数字也估计，在全部308万被关押的德国战俘中（不包括押解中死亡和就地释放者），死亡者为363343人，死亡率为11.8%。“
韩战三年， 美军两百万人， 每年事故， 病亡， 自杀， 凶杀死掉七八千人太正常了ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:22 一点都不夸张，美军一战死亡11万，其中战斗死亡5万非战斗死亡6万。
韩战时全球美军死亡5.4万，其中战斗原因死亡3.3万，非战斗原因死亡2.1万。
军队的非战斗原因死亡数字可能会很高，这是一个基本军事常识。
ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:41 According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt)
ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:43 简中网站假新闻很多，德国哪里确认了死亡率11%？明明有300万德军被苏联俘虏，活着回来的只有200万，苏联只承认30万俘虏的官方死亡数字，还有70万德军俘虏其实也死在苏联人手里了。你至少看个英文维基百科吧。
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According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4] According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), and additionally maintains that "It seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that 700,000 German military personnel listed as missing actually died in Soviet custody."[6][5]
fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:47 你这个所谓的30%病死率是最高值，大概时95% 置信区间的高限。10%的德国战俘病死率是有实据的。
皇军太惨了，几百万职业军队打一帮子中国农民军，缺衣少食过得不如在西伯利亚挖沙子的纳粹战俘。
fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:47 你这个所谓的30%病死率是最高值，大概时95% 置信区间的高限。10%的德国战俘病死率是有实据的。
皇军太惨了，几百万职业军队打一帮子中国农民军，缺衣少食过得不如在西伯利亚挖沙子的纳粹战俘。
