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How many German POWs died in ww2?
A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).

德国战俘死亡率远不止10%。

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:30 侵华日军被美国炸的没吃没喝了？。好多德国战俘可是缺衣少穿在西伯利亚挖铁道。

你一会说日军病死10%很高了，现在又说德国战俘病死10%太低了， 那么病死10%到底是高还是低，有没有准谱？

60%是德军被苏联俘虏后“一度”的最高病死率。德国最新的研究是整个战争中纳粹战俘在苏联集中营的病死率是11.8%。

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:32 德军战俘死亡率不止10%那么低吧。你之前不是自己拿出60%的数字吗？而侵华日军病死率可能低于10%。我只是假设侵华日军前后总共有200万，实际可能更高比如四五百万，那么病死率就只有5%甚至更低了。

其实德国战俘死了100万，占战俘总人数300万的差不多三分之一。苏联只承认30万的死亡，这就是你所谓10%死亡率的来源。这其实是苏联为了掩盖自己虐待战俘否认事实啊，还有70万德军战俘生不见人死不见尸，其实也是被苏联人虐死了。

According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4] According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), and additionally maintains that "It seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that 700,000 German military personnel listed as missing actually died in Soviet custody."[6][5]

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:28 皇军在打仗，被美军飞机切断后勤保障和医疗，这条件的确可能还不如苏联战俘营。

“但在整个战争中，德国战俘的死亡率低于苏联战俘则是一个公认事实。按照俄罗斯发表的数字，在370万德国战俘中（包括战后投降人员），死亡了46万以上（10万人死于押解中），死亡率12%。而德国最新确认的数字也估计，在全部308万被关押的德国战俘中（不包括押解中死亡和就地释放者），死亡者为363343人，死亡率为11.8%。“

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:40 其实德国战俘死了100万，占战俘总人数300万的差不多三分之一。苏联只承认30万的死亡，这就是你所谓10%死亡率的来源。这其实是苏联为了掩盖自己虐待战俘否认事实啊，还有70万德军战俘生不见人死不见尸，其实也是被苏联人虐死了。

According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4] According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), and additionally maintains that "It seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that 700,000 German military personnel listed as missing actually died in Soviet custody."[6][5]

对德军战俘而言，10%死亡率偏低，事实是至少有30%，这是总体的情况下。见维基百科。

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According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4] According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), and additionally maintains that "It seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that 700,000 German military personnel listed as missing actually died in Soviet custody."[6][5]

对日军病死而言，10%的病死率已经很高了。侵华日军总人数不详，我估计为200万，实际可能偏低。如果侵华日军总人数200万，那么病死10%，如果侵华日军总人数400万，那么病死则只有5%。

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:38 你一会说日军病死10%很高了，现在又说德国战俘病死10%太低了， 那么病死10%到底是高还是低，有没有准谱？

60%是德军被苏联俘虏后“一度”的最高病死率。德国最新的研究是整个战争中纳粹战俘在苏联集中营的病死率是11.8%。

简中网站假新闻很多，德国哪里确认了死亡率11%？明明有300万德军被苏联俘虏，活着回来的只有200万，苏联只承认30万俘虏的官方死亡数字，还有70万德军俘虏其实也死在苏联人手里了。你至少看个英文维基百科吧。

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According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4] According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), and additionally maintains that "It seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that 700,000 German military personnel listed as missing actually died in Soviet custody."[6][5]

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:41 “但在整个战争中，德国战俘的死亡率低于苏联战俘则是一个公认事实。按照俄罗斯发表的数字，在370万德国战俘中（包括战后投降人员），死亡了46万以上（10万人死于押解中），死亡率12%。而德国最新确认的数字也估计，在全部308万被关押的德国战俘中（不包括押解中死亡和就地释放者），死亡者为363343人，死亡率为11.8%。“

看来以后碰到侵略也不需要抵抗了，就等着敌人病死算了
李将军应该支持普金才对，支持的越多乌克兰胜利得越快

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:22 一点都不夸张，美军一战死亡11万，其中战斗死亡5万非战斗死亡6万。

韩战时全球美军死亡5.4万，其中战斗原因死亡3.3万，非战斗原因死亡2.1万。

军队的非战斗原因死亡数字可能会很高，这是一个基本军事常识。

韩战三年， 美军两百万人， 每年事故， 病亡， 自杀， 凶杀死掉七八千人太正常了

日军在瓜岛英帕尔等战役，都是病饿死远多于战死。国军远征军第一次入缅，也是因为败退时翻越野人山原始森林，导致非战斗死亡远多于战死。

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 10:17 抗日，二战，太平洋战场都是虚妄的，没有发生过，因为日军单单生病，就不战自溃了。

弱智表演的舞台？

你这个所谓的30%病死率是最高值，大概时95% 置信区间的高限。10%的德国战俘病死率是有实据的。

皇军太惨了，几百万职业军队打一帮子中国农民军，缺衣少食过得不如在西伯利亚挖沙子的纳粹战俘。

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:41 According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt)

当然不是了，军队可以随打随补。上甘岭志愿军45师伤亡100%又补进100%，战后人数还多于战前。生病的军人也会得到补充。

firecloud 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:46 看来以后碰到侵略也不需要抵抗了，就等着敌人病死算了
李将军应该支持普金才对，支持的越多乌克兰胜利得越快

德国专家Overmans 自己估计的可靠数字就是德国战俘病死10%，你也要能看懂英文才能引用吧。

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:43 简中网站假新闻很多，德国哪里确认了死亡率11%？明明有300万德军被苏联俘虏，活着回来的只有200万，苏联只承认30万俘虏的官方死亡数字，还有70万德军俘虏其实也死在苏联人手里了。你至少看个英文维基百科吧。

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_pr ... viet_Union

According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] A commission set up by the West German government found that 3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4] According to German historian Rüdiger Overmans ca. 3,000,000 POWs were taken by the USSR; he put the "maximum" number of German POW deaths in Soviet hands at 1.0 million.[5] Based on his research, Overmans believes that the deaths of 363,000 POWs in Soviet captivity can be confirmed by the files of Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), and additionally maintains that "It seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that 700,000 German military personnel listed as missing actually died in Soviet custody."[6][5]

后期美军完全掌握制空权，皇军的确很惨，师团长都要去抢农民的稻米。其实国军共军非战斗死亡也很多，只是统计口径不一样而已。志愿军在朝鲜，就有好几个军长是病死的。

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:47 你这个所谓的30%病死率是最高值，大概时95% 置信区间的高限。10%的德国战俘病死率是有实据的。

皇军太惨了，几百万职业军队打一帮子中国农民军，缺衣少食过得不如在西伯利亚挖沙子的纳粹战俘。

那剩下70万德军战俘去哪了？

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:50 德国专家Overmans 自己估计的可靠数字就是德国战俘病死10%，你只要也要能看懂英文才能引用吧。

老将李奇微可没说是病死几千，他说的是日军病死了20万人。

nomi 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:46 韩战三年， 美军两百万人， 每年事故， 病亡， 自杀， 凶杀死掉七八千人太正常了

日军甲午战争占领台湾的时候，病死1万多，比战斗中死的多10倍以上。日军出了名的不重视后勤保障，病死一向很多。

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:47 你这个所谓的30%病死率是最高值，大概时95% 置信区间的高限。10%的德国战俘病死率是有实据的。

皇军太惨了，几百万职业军队打一帮子中国农民军，缺衣少食过得不如在西伯利亚挖沙子的纳粹战俘。

8年病死20万，平均每年不就是2万多。而且日军后勤保障远不如美军。

fieldman 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:52 老将李奇微可没说是病死几千，他说的是日军病死了20万人。

每年病死2万日军也太多了。日军在华战场面对的国军和共军，战力远不如后来有苏联装备支持的志愿军。

在华北6个鬼子就能攻下一个县城，也就是说日军光病死的人就能占领中国3万个县了，中国一共才三千个县。那抗战何必打8年？

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:53 8年病死20万，平均每年不就是2万多。而且日军后勤保障远不如美军。

ridgway 写了： 2024年 3月 1日 11:52 日军甲午战争占领台湾的时候，病死1万多，比战斗中死的多10倍以上。日军出了名的不重视后勤保障，病死一向很多。

鸦片战争的英军， 也是病死远远多于战死，10倍以上