枪手真正的自白书

[deerob]

最不该的是在星巴克调笑露脸，年轻人经不住美女诱惑……
现在也很帅翻天，我看这条自白书的相关新闻是：
Luigi Mangione: In Familiar Trend, Alleged Killer Becomes Online Sex Symbol……
https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione ... ol-1998794

据说当时是旅馆前台要他拿下口罩以对应id上的照片，所以他这个前期计划没弄好，在NYC留太久了，NYC那么多摄像头。。

[deerob]

好像真正的手稿还没完全公布吧，我看到比较靠谱的是这个

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/11/luigi-m ... rder-.html

[wh]

据说老站网友就有杀过人的。。。
叫falling还是什么的。。。

我也记得falling，他的真名是啥？aixiaoxiaoyu写过一篇旧站杀手传，有好几个……：
viewtopic.php?t=45866

[Oldsea]

他说的对
如果政客和business owners们有他百分之一的moral
也不会让社会走到现在
corporate greed 让千万人倾家荡产 死亡，政府和左右媒体视而不见
一个年轻人挺身而出，媒体却蜂拥而上，说他疯了
这个社会才是疯了病了
历史上再牛比的帝国都是败在内烂
美利坚也不会例外
且行且珍惜

[wh]

好像真正的手稿还没完全公布吧，我看到比较靠谱的是这个

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/11/luigi-m ... rder-.html

这条新闻说的是他写杀人方案的笔记本，和主帖里的自白书应该是两份不同的文件，好像都在他被捕时的背包里。自白书里也提到这个笔记本：
"The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there."

[Everseen]

这个我还没搞懂，就是所谓jury nullification？只要有一个人不同意，就会完全免罪？不会那么容易吧？

只要不是全部jury认为guilty或not guilty，就是mistrial，原则上可以再次审理，但大多数情况是如果没有新证据出现，就不会再次审理，所以大多数人mistrial后和脱罪是一样的。

[牛河梁]

这个我还没搞懂，就是所谓jury nullification？只要有一个人不同意，就会完全免罪？不会那么容易吧？

一致其实很难。当过陪审员就知道。

[wh]

据说当时是旅馆前台要他拿下口罩以对应id上的照片，所以他这个前期计划没弄好，在NYC留太久了，NYC那么多摄像头。。

哦，不是星巴克，是旅馆？是右面那张照片吗？我记得左面那张带笑的说是和星巴克服务员调笑？警察好像还从星巴克的回收垃圾堆里找到了他留在杯子上的指纹，都不知道怎么找的……
他是不是穿的衣服一样，所以被旅馆前台认出是他？
纽约街头摄像头那么多吗……赶得上国内了。

[wh]

他说的对
如果政客和business owners们有他百分之一的moral
也不会让社会走到现在
corporate greed 让千万人倾家荡产 死亡，政府和左右媒体视而不见
一个年轻人挺身而出，媒体却蜂拥而上，说他疯了
这个社会才是疯了病了
历史上再牛比的帝国都是败在内烂
美利坚也不会例外
且行且珍惜

钱和权让人性变异哦。
不过我没看到什么新闻说他疯了。我看到的还都挺客观，只描述他的背景、现场、抓捕过程、网上的反应等等。

[tdm]

意大利血统果然是混了不少北非中东闪族和黑人。这人头发都类似于Afro了。

[macarthur]

只要不是全部jury认为guilty或not guilty，就是mistrial，原则上可以再次审理，但大多数情况是如果没有新证据出现，就不会再次审理，所以大多数人mistrial后和脱罪是一样的。

NYC大陪审团好像还真不需要Unanimous，只要Majority (16人里12票）就能决定。。（https://ww2.nycourts.gov/COURTS/10JD/na ... jury.shtml）

只是现在NYC想凑齐16个人里没有一半同情超级玛丽的。。。 good luck with it。。。

[WarmFall]

你们看了吗？读起来还挺书生气的。还真就是个孤胆愤青独行侠……律师貌似想否认现场录像里的枪手是Luigi Mangione，不过这份自白太坦白了……还有星巴克的露脸照更是铁证。现场的弹壳和枪也对得上，现场物品上还有他的指纹。这怎么都没法金蝉脱壳啊。律师只能打感情牌来辩护吧？

https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione ... nt-1998945
Luigi Mangione Manifesto: Read Reported Document in Full
Published Dec 11, 2024 at 6:00 AM EST
Updated Dec 11, 2024 at 10:27 AM EST
By Theo Burman

The full manifesto of Luigi Mangione, who is facing charges for the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has been published.

The three-page document was released by independent journalist Ken Klippenstein on his Substack blog, and later confirmed to be a legitimate transcription by law enforcement authorities.

In the handwritten manifesto, Mangione claims that he was acting alone and that he apologized "for any strife of traumas" that his actions had caused.

According to Klippenstein, parts of the document are unintelligible due to Mangione's handwriting.

The manifesto was found on Mangione when he was arrested at a McDonalds in Altoona, Pennsylvania, on Monday.


(Luigi Mangione poses for a booking photo on December 10, 2024 in Huntingdon, Pennsylvania. The full manifesto of Mangione, who is facing charges for the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has been published. Getty)

"To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone.

"This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience.

"The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there.

"I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done.

"Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy.

"United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but [h]as our life expectancy?

"No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.

"Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain.

"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

Newsweek contacted law authorities in New York for more information on the proceedings against Mangione via email.

Along with the manifesto, prosecutors in Pennsylvania said that Mangione was also carrying fake identification and money on him when he was arrested.

觉得那个律师太不靠谱了，说什么无罪辩护。全世界都看见如山的铁证，不知道他怎么想的。

家族应该给他换个律师。

[chace]

照片像不像都不重要，主要是枪和指纹。不过估计只要陪审团选的好，大概率会有人不同意，然后流审就没人管了，就等于脱罪了。

流审后可以要求再组一个陪审团重审

[WarmFall]

这个案子在美国历史上会是很重的一笔吗

这个孩子就是社会的牺牲品，太可惜了

[wh]

只要不是全部jury认为guilty或not guilty，就是mistrial，原则上可以再次审理，但大多数情况是如果没有新证据出现，就不会再次审理，所以大多数人mistrial后和脱罪是一样的。

我以为死罪可免活罪难逃。要是可以完全逃脱无罪，那也太儿戏了点啊……

[wh]

NYC大陪审团好像还真不需要Unanimous，只要Majority (16人里12票）就能决定。。（https://ww2.nycourts.gov/COURTS/10JD/na ... jury.shtml）

只是现在NYC想凑齐16个人里没有一半同情超级玛丽的。。。 good luck with it。。。

那个extradition是怎么回事？如果不引渡回纽约州，就在宾州开审？那对他有利？

[Yellen]

这个案子在美国历史上会是很重的一笔吗

这个孩子就是社会的牺牲品，太可惜了

有啥可惜的，舍身取义，重于泰山。

美国这些corporations现在除了看到眼前的利益，已经完全没有社会责任感。作弊在台上时他们就跪舔woke，川普上台又跪舔川普。

杀得好，最好每年杀几个，这些货就知道厉害了。

[Savage]

最不该的是在星巴克调笑露脸，年轻人经不住美女诱惑……
现在也很帅翻天，我看这条自白书的相关新闻是：
Luigi Mangione: In Familiar Trend, Alleged Killer Becomes Online Sex Symbol……
https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione ... ol-1998794

应该出发前先打一炮，调整到贤者状态，然后出发

当学古人，高歌一曲，风潇潇兮，易水寒。。。

[wh]

应该出发前先打一炮，调整到贤者状态，然后出发

当学古人，高歌一曲，风潇潇兮，易水寒。。。

或者来个jedi's theme...

[Trump]

这个案子在美国历史上会是很重的一笔吗

这个孩子就是社会的牺牲品，太可惜了

这个案子至少比肩刺杀里根，再抬高一点可以比肩民权运动
医疗+保险这个毒瘤压在千万美国人身上太久了，利益集团根深蒂固，谁都撼动不了。
这个孩子，砍掉了一根树枝