#21 Re: 为什么豪车在中国降价，米国涨价？
发表于 ： 2025年 9月 2日 08:55
东方不败都他妈涨的没样子了 
东方不败都他妈涨的没样子了
土工经济陷入通缩螺旋，美帝则是生产跟不上供应。中长期，通缩无法自拔，通胀在资本主义社会不是问题。西方几次经济大问题都是通缩造成的。
因为国内真的没钱了，国内生产的车不贱卖就只能关门了，别看价钱便宜，坚持不了多久，很快韭菜只能买到减配到五菱水平的车了；
美国现在全世界的钱都涌进来，再加上关税，车价必然涨，这也是暂时的，会有越来越多的车在美国造，车价会降下来，你只要别只盯着破丰田本田买就不会被宰
Burlingame 写了： 2025年 9月 1日 20:28美国通胀，还有疫情来这几年股市太好了，各大车厂都加价还能不影响销量，不过好日子也快到头了，几个日系已经尝到涨价的后果了，日产，Mazda好像都要亏损了
日产马自达质量严重下降
英亲王 写了： 2025年 9月 2日 03:06电力和通信行业自然都是趋向于垄断的
这不是废话吗，铁路公司也是越来越垄断
你要是信这种特例 说明越来越垄断 那真是病得不轻
技术进步也在打破这种天然垄断行业的垄断公司，比如spacex的星链 明显要把这些通信的基础设施垄断优势全废掉
Google, Facebook,Microsoft 也被举例。
Cx90 质量不好？
通胀不是问题？
你去看看弗里德曼的报告，通胀会引起很严重的后果
二战的一个重要起因就是德国的高通胀
本质是美元不值钱了
你把车价换算成黄金，看看涨了还是跌了？
经济学的一个本质就是随着生产率的提高，大规模工业品越来越便宜
当你发现大规模工业品涨价，往往是有两种原因：
一是通货膨胀，二是垄断（不充分竞争）
现在美国既有通胀问题，又有汽车市场贸易保护的问题
你把关税降下来试试？车价立马降三分之一
foxbat 写了： 2025年 9月 2日 09:19因为国内真的没钱了，国内生产的车不贱卖就只能关门了，别看价钱便宜，坚持不了多久，很快韭菜只能买到减配到五菱水平的车了；
美国现在全世界的钱都涌进来，再加上关税，车价必然涨，这也是暂时的，会有越来越多的车在美国造，车价会降下来，你只要别只盯着破丰田本田买就不会被宰
别和黄金比，要比应该和其它货币比，贬值是相对的，和人民币比，美元坚挺多了，这也是为什么没人愿意持有人民币，都愿意持有美元，包括你自己
只要自由兑换，人民币对美元会一比二十，墙国车会更便宜，但你打死也不会去墙国，对不对？
Melee 写了： 2025年 9月 2日 12:24本质是美元不值钱了
你把车价换算成黄金，看看涨了还是跌了？
经济学的一个本质就是随着生产率的提高，大规模工业品越来越便宜
当你发现大规模工业品涨价，往往是有两种原因：
一是通货膨胀，二是垄断（不充分竞争）
现在美国既有通胀问题，又有汽车市场贸易保护的问题
你把关税降下来试试？车价立马降三分之一
foxbat 写了： 2025年 9月 2日 13:17别和黄金比，要比应该和其它货币比，贬值是相对的，和人民币比，美元坚挺多了，这也是为什么没人愿意持有人民币，都愿意持有美元，包括你自己
只要自由兑换，人民币对美元会一比二十，墙国车会更便宜，但你打死也不会去墙国，对不对？
好东西不便宜
便宜的不是好东西
论汽车零售价 肯定印度更便宜
但懂的人都知道 印度的汽车 不等于 中国的汽车 也不等于美国的汽车
马自达好多是加拿大产的，混动电的
反映不太好，问题多多
事实是是10万软妹币就能买到卡罗拉
两万美刀买不到
foxbat 写了： 2025年 9月 2日 13:17别和黄金比，要比应该和其它货币比，贬值是相对的，和人民币比，美元坚挺多了，这也是为什么没人愿意持有人民币，都愿意持有美元，包括你自己
只要自由兑换，人民币对美元会一比二十，墙国车会更便宜，但你打死也不会去墙国，对不对？
那是因为墙国有人肉电池，美国没有，等美国到处是人肉电池，你们又会离开了
foxbat 写了： 2025年 9月 2日 09:19因为国内真的没钱了，国内生产的车不贱卖就只能关门了，别看价钱便宜，坚持不了多久，很快韭菜只能买到减配到五菱水平的车了；
美国现在全世界的钱都涌进来，再加上关税，车价必然涨，这也是暂时的，会有越来越多的车在美国造，车价会降下来，你只要别只盯着破丰田本田买就不会被宰
秸秆打狼两头害怕 -- 国内是真的没钱了，越生产越卖不出价；美国是光剩钱了，没别的东西，所以都要涨价。。。
以后在国内，BBA会卖套壳五菱，美国又会有人羡慕了
世界经济毕竟是个整体，很难想象美国这样的高车价可以持续很久。因为差价太大，走私车会出现。
CX-70和90看着还可以。不知道质量如何？兄弟买了CX-5，被马自达坑惨了。
大日本原装，据说工人比Lexus还牛：平均几十年工龄。
就是Plugin型号电池不过关，有人刚买就漏液。
Gas 的so far 没搜到啥问题，但是才第二年。
原因像各位说的，就是垄断。
我党允许大小车厂无序狂卷，我帝几大车厂抱团躺平。
Joseph Stiglitz’s new book People, Power and Profits provides an updated manifesto for the progressive-socialist agenda. His manifesto is a call to solve our nation’s problems by relying more on government and, therefore, less on individual economic freedom. Specifically, this agenda calls for higher tax rates on the rich and businesses, rapid increases in federal spending, government control over markets and a massive increase in government regulations.
What Stiglitz fails to do is provide his readers with any historical context of how this agenda has worked. Progressive-socialist policies are not new. Over the past century the US experimented with these policies on five separate occasions: 1913-1920, 1929-1940, 1965-81, 1988-95 and 2004-15. Unfortunately, these years were among the worst years in our economic history. There was no increase in the value of the average worker take-home pay over this entire 52-year period. Since 1900 all of our economic progress occurred when policymakers avoided Stiglitz’s recommendations.
Not only have Stiglitz’s policy recommendations failed in the US, they have failed whenever and wherever they have been implemented. To one extent or another progressive-socialist policies are the norm throughout much of the world. The US is the only major country that has rejected such an agenda and embraced individual economic freedom for most of its history. This is why Americans enjoy living standards higher than 99.9% of those in the rest of the world.
As with other so-called progressive economists, Stiglitz is preoccupied with equality. This preoccupation leads him to praise policies enacted during the Great Depression of the 1930s. Stiglitz isn’t the only progressive economist to extol the merits of the Great Depression. Thomas Piketty, who wrote Capital in the Twenty-First Century, does so as well. Their admiration for the worst economic debacle in US history relates to what has become their prime economic objective—income equality. They apparently believe America is better off when incomes are more equal, even if it takes a collapse in the economy to achieve such an objective.
Research from the Fraser Institute shows income inequality is fairly stable whether countries are rich or poor. The main difference is the poor are much better off in rich countries than in poor countries. This is why so many people in poor countries want to come to America.
The main weakness of Stiglitz book is its dearth of meaningful data. Without such data, the author is able to make outlandish, general statements about US history without presenting a scintilla of evidence. Had the author seriously examined the history of US economic policies and their consequences, he would have concluded that the only time the US lost its way was whenever the country followed his agenda.
In addition to dealing with economics, Stiglitz touches on climate science by repeating the progressive mantra “…excessive emissions of greenhouse gases present an existential threat to the planet....“ As with his economic statements, he fails to provide any evidence for such an existential threat. As for economics, the historical evidence is clear—the real existential threat to prosperity is the progressive-socialist agenda.
island 写了： 2025年 9月 2日 19:03原因像各位说的，就是垄断。
我党允许大小车厂无序狂卷，我帝几大车厂抱团躺平。
下面是amazon上的一个反面的评论。
Joseph Stiglitz’s new book People, Power and Profits provides an updated manifesto for the progressive-socialist agenda. His manifesto is a call to solve our nation’s problems by relying more on government and, therefore, less on individual economic freedom. Specifically, this agenda calls for higher tax rates on the rich and businesses, rapid increases in federal spending, government control over markets and a massive increase in government regulations.
What Stiglitz fails to do is provide his readers with any historical context of how this agenda has worked. Progressive-socialist policies are not new. Over the past century the US experimented with these policies on five separate occasions: 1913-1920, 1929-1940, 1965-81, 1988-95 and 2004-15. Unfortunately, these years were among the worst years in our economic history. There was no increase in the value of the average worker take-home pay over this entire 52-year period. Since 1900 all of our economic progress occurred when policymakers avoided Stiglitz’s recommendations.
Not only have Stiglitz’s policy recommendations failed in the US, they have failed whenever and wherever they have been implemented. To one extent or another progressive-socialist policies are the norm throughout much of the world. The US is the only major country that has rejected such an agenda and embraced individual economic freedom for most of its history. This is why Americans enjoy living standards higher than 99.9% of those in the rest of the world.
As with other so-called progressive economists, Stiglitz is preoccupied with equality. This preoccupation leads him to praise policies enacted during the Great Depression of the 1930s. Stiglitz isn’t the only progressive economist to extol the merits of the Great Depression. Thomas Piketty, who wrote Capital in the Twenty-First Century, does so as well. Their admiration for the worst economic debacle in US history relates to what has become their prime economic objective—income equality. They apparently believe America is better off when incomes are more equal, even if it takes a collapse in the economy to achieve such an objective.
Research from the Fraser Institute shows income inequality is fairly stable whether countries are rich or poor. The main difference is the poor are much better off in rich countries than in poor countries. This is why so many people in poor countries want to come to America.
The main weakness of Stiglitz book is its dearth of meaningful data. Without such data, the author is able to make outlandish, general statements about US history without presenting a scintilla of evidence. Had the author seriously examined the history of US economic policies and their consequences, he would have concluded that the only time the US lost its way was whenever the country followed his agenda.
In addition to dealing with economics, Stiglitz touches on climate science by repeating the progressive mantra “…excessive emissions of greenhouse gases present an existential threat to the planet....“ As with his economic statements, he fails to provide any evidence for such an existential threat. As for economics, the historical evidence is clear—the real existential threat to prosperity is the progressive-socialist agenda.
是的。Reno 有个national automobile museum. 里面的美国车厂多如牛毛，great recession以后大部分倒掉。
米国现在垄断赤果果：
汽车不让中国车进来，
手机不让华为进来，
Social media ban tiktok。
这样整会加速米国相关产业被淘汰。