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比饮用水还好的话让日本自来水公司用就好了吧，排到海里不是浪费么

I23 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:26 https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/07/ ... wastewater

《经济学人》发文啪啪打脸日本核毒和东京电力公司，道德缺失，人性沦丧，缺乏诚信，多次弄虚作假，瞒骗世人。

Yet even in Japan there is precious little trust in the nuclear industry, which has a history of cock-ups and cover-ups. Even after post-disaster reforms, tepco was forced in 2018 to admit its alps system had malfunctioned and the water would need to be reprocessed. And trust, notes Jeff Kingston of Temple University in Tokyo, is “not a renewable resource”. At home the nuclear industry lacks it. Abroad so does Japan.

你这头五毛想不明白国外言论自由，媒体起监督作用，当然可以发表不同意见观点，各方面的声音都会听到。我档档媒姓档，没有任何不同意见。还几把好意思说经济学人，经济学人啪啪啪啪啪打我档的脸比打日本和东电响亮一亿光年。

《nature》发文啪啪打脸日本核毒和东京电力公司，没有足够数据支持日本核毒是安全的

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02057-y

Last year, the US National Association of Marine Laboratories in Herndon, Virginia, also voiced its opposition to the planned release, saying that there was “a lack of adequate and accurate scientific data supporting Japan’s assertion of safety”. The Philippine government has also called for Japan to reconsider releasing the water into the Pacific.

“Have the people promoting this going forward — ALPS treatment of the water and then release into the ocean — demonstrated to our satisfaction that it will be safe for ocean health and human health?” asks Robert Richmond, marine biologist at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. “The answer is ‘no’.”

Richmond is one of five scientists on a panel advising the Pacific Islands Forum, an intergovernmental organization made up of 18 Pacific nations including Australia, Fiji, Papua New Guinea and French Polynesia. The panel was convened to advise on whether the release of the treated water from Fukushima was safe both for the ocean and for those who depend on it. Richmond says they have reviewed all the data provided by TEPCO and the Japanese government, and visited the Fukushima site, but there are still some unanswered questions about tritium and carbon-14.

Tritium is a β-radiation emitter — albeit a weak one — meaning that it emits ionizing radiation that can damage DNA. TEPCO says the concentrations of tritium in the treated water release a dose of ionizing radiation lower than that experienced by someone flying a round trip from New York to Tokyo.

But human skin partly blocks ionizing radiation, Richmond says. “If you eat something that’s radioactively contaminated with β-emitters, your cells inside are being exposed.”

TEPCO says fishing is not routinely conducted in an area within 3 kilometres of where the pipeline will discharge the water. But Richmond is concerned the tritium could concentrate in the food web as larger organisms eat smaller contaminated ones. “The concept of dilution as the solution to pollution has demonstrably been shown to be false,” Richmond says. “The very chemistry of dilution is undercut by the biology of the ocean.”

Shigeyoshi Otosaka, an oceanographer and marine chemist at the Atmospheric and Ocean Research Institute of the University of Tokyo says that the organically bound form of tritium could accumulate in fish and marine organisms. He says international research is investigating the potential for such bioaccumulation of the radionuclides in marine life, and what has already happened in the waters around Fukushima after the accidental release of contaminated water during the tsunami. “I think it is important to evaluate the long-term environmental impact of these radionuclides,” Otosaka says.

I23 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:26 https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/07/ ... wastewater

《经济学人》发文啪啪打脸日本核毒和东京电力公司，道德缺失，人性沦丧，缺乏诚信，多次弄虚作假，瞒骗世人。

Yet even in Japan there is precious little trust in the nuclear industry, which has a history of cock-ups and cover-ups. Even after post-disaster reforms, tepco was forced in 2018 to admit its alps system had malfunctioned and the water would need to be reprocessed. And trust, notes Jeff Kingston of Temple University in Tokyo, is “not a renewable resource”. At home the nuclear industry lacks it. Abroad so does Japan.

其他放射性物质也会全程接受iaea的监督核检测，也欢迎国家社会利益相关方一起来监督检测。这么简单的问题连你我这样的网友都能想到，你以为日本方面和iaea方面的专家会想不到吗？

happens 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:10 问题是，福岛的核污水里，可不止氚一种放射性物质，日本人坚持说氚，就是不想别人提其他放射物，他们的话术是，其他放射物质我们都滤掉啦，所以国际监管也不用专门去检测，。还拿大亚湾核电站来比，人家大亚湾是正经的冷却用水好不好，你福岛的是直接接触熔毁堆芯的毒水好不好，日本人就好比拿着一坨大便和别人的空调机漏水比，说我这坨大便里的铝含量比你的空调机漏水小多了。。。。。

从此任何国家都可以直接往海里倾倒各种污染物。

只要控制排放速度，在3公里处被洋流带走或海水稀释到安全值，就可以了

I23 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:37 《nature》发文啪啪打脸日本核毒和东京电力公司，没有足够数据支持日本核毒是安全的

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02057-y

Last year, the US National Association of Marine Laboratories in Herndon, Virginia, also voiced its opposition to the planned release, saying that there was “a lack of adequate and accurate scientific data supporting Japan’s assertion of safety”. The Philippine government has also called for Japan to reconsider releasing the water into the Pacific.

“Have the people promoting this going forward — ALPS treatment of the water and then release into the ocean — demonstrated to our satisfaction that it will be safe for ocean health and human health?” asks Robert Richmond, marine biologist at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. “The answer is ‘no’.”

Richmond is one of five scientists on a panel advising the Pacific Islands Forum, an intergovernmental organization made up of 18 Pacific nations including Australia, Fiji, Papua New Guinea and French Polynesia. The panel was convened to advise on whether the release of the treated water from Fukushima was safe both for the ocean and for those who depend on it. Richmond says they have reviewed all the data provided by TEPCO and the Japanese government, and visited the Fukushima site, but there are still some unanswered questions about tritium and carbon-14.

Tritium is a β-radiation emitter — albeit a weak one — meaning that it emits ionizing radiation that can damage DNA. TEPCO says the concentrations of tritium in the treated water release a dose of ionizing radiation lower than that experienced by someone flying a round trip from New York to Tokyo.

But human skin partly blocks ionizing radiation, Richmond says. “If you eat something that’s radioactively contaminated with β-emitters, your cells inside are being exposed.”

TEPCO says fishing is not routinely conducted in an area within 3 kilometres of where the pipeline will discharge the water. But Richmond is concerned the tritium could concentrate in the food web as larger organisms eat smaller contaminated ones. “The concept of dilution as the solution to pollution has demonstrably been shown to be false,” Richmond says. “The very chemistry of dilution is undercut by the biology of the ocean.”

Shigeyoshi Otosaka, an oceanographer and marine chemist at the Atmospheric and Ocean Research Institute of the University of Tokyo says that the organically bound form of tritium could accumulate in fish and marine organisms. He says international research is investigating the potential for such bioaccumulation of the radionuclides in marine life, and what has already happened in the waters around Fukushima after the accidental release of contaminated water during the tsunami. “I think it is important to evaluate the long-term environmental impact of these radionuclides,” Otosaka says.

I23 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:26 https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/07/ ... wastewater

《经济学人》发文啪啪打脸日本核毒和东京电力公司，道德缺失，人性沦丧，缺乏诚信，多次弄虚作假，瞒骗世人。

Yet even in Japan there is precious little trust in the nuclear industry, which has a history of cock-ups and cover-ups. Even after post-disaster reforms, tepco was forced in 2018 to admit its alps system had malfunctioned and the water would need to be reprocessed. And trust, notes Jeff Kingston of Temple University in Tokyo, is “not a renewable resource”. At home the nuclear industry lacks it. Abroad so does Japan.

问题是，福岛的核污水里，可不止氚一种放射性物质，日本人坚持说氚，就是不想别人提其他放射物，他们的话术是，其他放射物质我们都滤掉啦，所以国际监管也不用专门去检测，。还拿大亚湾核电站来比，人家大亚湾是正经的冷却用水好不好，你福岛的是直接接触熔毁堆芯的毒水好不好，日本人就好比拿着一坨大便和别人的空调机漏水比，说我这坨大便里的铝含量比你的空调机漏水小多了。。。。。

其他放射性物质也会全程接受iaea的监督核检测，也欢迎国家社会利益相关方一起来监督检测。这么简单的问题连你我这样的网友都能想到，你以为日本方面和iaea方面的专家会想不到吗？

forestgun 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:49 问题是，福岛的核污水里，可不止氚一种放射性物质，日本人坚持说氚，就是不想别人提其他放射物，他们的话术是，其他放射物质我们都滤掉啦，所以国际监管也不用专门去检测，。还拿大亚湾核电站来比，人家大亚湾是正经的冷却用水好不好，你福岛的是直接接触熔毁堆芯的毒水好不好，日本人就好比拿着一坨大便和别人的空调机漏水比，说我这坨大便里的铝含量比你的空调机漏水小多了。。。。。

国际社会对土鳖的信任度更低

I23 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:40 从此任何国家都可以直接往海里倾倒各种污染物。

只要控制排放速度，在3公里处被洋流带走或海水稀释到安全值，就可以了

happens 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:10 问题是，福岛的核污水里，可不止氚一种放射性物质，日本人坚持说氚，就是不想别人提其他放射物，他们的话术是，其他放射物质我们都滤掉啦，所以国际监管也不用专门去检测，。还拿大亚湾核电站来比，人家大亚湾是正经的冷却用水好不好，你福岛的是直接接触熔毁堆芯的毒水好不好，日本人就好比拿着一坨大便和别人的空调机漏水比，说我这坨大便里的铝含量比你的空调机漏水小多了。。。。。

属实

其他放射性物质也会全程接受iaea的监督核检测，也欢迎国家社会利益相关方一起来监督检测。这么简单的问题连你我这样的网友都能想到，你以为日本方面和iaea方面的专家会想不到吗？

bam 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:10 头几天小本子故意排点低浓度的，装模作样做个检测，看，没问题吧。等大家都麻痹了，再慢慢往里头加料，嘿嘿

其实大家都猜到小日本会这么做，就是有些日杂避而不谈

土鳖国的排放才是如此吧，所以以己度人。有小粉红买了个盖革计数器，在广东一测，结果悲剧了。

HouseMD 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:56 其实大家都猜到小日本会这么做，就是有些日杂避而不谈

ridgway 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 16:06 土鳖国的排放才是如此吧，所以以己度人。有小粉红买了个盖革计数器，在广东一测，结果悲剧了。

你这个就spin得没水平了，我们都在说小日本如何如何，关我鳖屁事

海水稀释真是好算计，排慢一点就没事

midlander 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 16:30 海水稀释真是好算计，排慢一点就没事

那就慢一点。有啥问题。

HouseMD 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 15:56 其实大家都猜到小日本会这么做，就是有些日杂避而不谈

小日本边上每天几亿吨的洋流，拍个几吨核废料，能测出来吗

真检测是看看福岛vs东京，夏威夷，上海，釜山等

牛河梁 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 16:31 那就慢一点。有啥问题。

这就像排二氧化碳一样，有啥问题

midlander 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 16:33 小日本边上每天几亿吨的洋流，拍个几吨核废料，能测出来吗

真检测是看看福岛vs东京，夏威夷，上海，釜山等

要是小日本直接排，毫不掩饰，老老实实，我倒是敬重他们是狠人。
搞这种掩耳盗铃的小手段反而让人看不起

小粉红也让朋友在日本测了，福岛小于广东，东京小于福岛。

HouseMD 写了： 2023年 8月 25日 16:08 你这个就spin得没水平了，我们都在说小日本如何如何，关我鳖屁事