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sweetsister 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 09:20 是给大家提供一些信息

不是政治讨论。不是每个帖子都是政治贴

noid2 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 14:13 剩下四个宁可空着，这是航空公司不愿飞啊，怎么是交通部的责任？

赖美豪中 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 09:47 其实就是卡在14小时上了，我帝工会比较牛b，14小时还有落地后休息时间，几个航司都找不到愿意飞这条线的。我认识UA飞亚洲的，其实中国影响还不大，最大的是南亚. 少了大批航班，东南亚这条线本来也不是特别赚钱。 这是老美自己的讨论

There are a lot of frustrated people trying to find tickets to Asia. However, very few people understand what the real problem is. The easy answer is recovery from Covid. This is actually not the case. I am doing a quick post before catching my train to describe the root cause: US sanctions on Russia.

Reuters Article that partially describes the problem

What happened is that the US sanctioned Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine. As part of the response, Russia denied access to their air space for US airlines. However, Russia allows Chinese Airlines to continue to fly through their airspace. The net result is US airlines need to take a much longer route to fly into China, using more fuel and increasing costs. The Chinese airlines do not have to pay this cost and this gives them a huge advantage. In response, the US imposed a limit of 8 total Chinese airline flights into the U.S. per week, and China responded in kind. Pre Covid, there were over 160 flights a week between China and the US, and this was limited to 16 total per week. There has been a slight thaw, and now there are 24 flights per week, still much less than the overall demand. This means that demand for flights to Japan and other transit airports in Asia have been significantly higher, as China/US bound passengers now must transit in one of those hubs.

Edit: flights were originally listed as nn per day, it’s actually nn per week.

Further indication that Fuel cost advantage has been big part of the issue.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/chinese ... -airspace/

sweetsister 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 19:57 美国航司不愿意飞

但是中国航司愿意飞啊

如果美国交通部今天批50个新增航班

不，美国交通部就是批100个新增航班，

中国航司也能飞满

sweetsister 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 19:57 美国航司不愿意飞

但是中国航司愿意飞啊

如果美国交通部今天批50个新增航班

不，美国交通部就是批100个新增航班，

中国航司也能飞满

sweetsister 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 19:57 美国航司不愿意飞

但是中国航司愿意飞啊

如果美国交通部今天批50个新增航班

不，美国交通部就是批100个新增航班，

中国航司也能飞满

赖美豪中 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 09:47 其实就是卡在14小时上了，我帝工会比较牛b，14小时还有落地后休息时间，几个航司都找不到愿意飞这条线的。我认识UA飞亚洲的，其实中国影响还不大，最大的是南亚. 少了大批航班，东南亚这条线本来也不是特别赚钱。 这是老美自己的讨论

There are a lot of frustrated people trying to find tickets to Asia. However, very few people understand what the real problem is. The easy answer is recovery from Covid. This is actually not the case. I am doing a quick post before catching my train to describe the root cause: US sanctions on Russia.

Reuters Article that partially describes the problem

What happened is that the US sanctioned Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine. As part of the response, Russia denied access to their air space for US airlines. However, Russia allows Chinese Airlines to continue to fly through their airspace. The net result is US airlines need to take a much longer route to fly into China, using more fuel and increasing costs. The Chinese airlines do not have to pay this cost and this gives them a huge advantage. In response, the US imposed a limit of 8 total Chinese airline flights into the U.S. per week, and China responded in kind. Pre Covid, there were over 160 flights a week between China and the US, and this was limited to 16 total per week. There has been a slight thaw, and now there are 24 flights per week, still much less than the overall demand. This means that demand for flights to Japan and other transit airports in Asia have been significantly higher, as China/US bound passengers now must transit in one of those hubs.

Edit: flights were originally listed as nn per day, it’s actually nn per week.

Further indication that Fuel cost advantage has been big part of the issue.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/chinese ... -airspace/

changjiang 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 22:30 美国交通部又不为中国公司服务，他只关心美国公司的想法和利益。

malta 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 22:53 就是这么回事。商务客流不恢复，美国公司不挣钱，当然不开新航线。中国人愿意做赔本的买卖，就让中国人去做吧，反正中国人便宜，有点工资就行。美国工人不行，成本太高，必须要有充足的商务客流才能挣钱。

HouseMD 写了： 2024年 2月 18日 23:59 其实说到底就是没钱赚，有钱赚这事自然轮不到你们这些蹲地下室的操心？别光看经济舱的票价，没有航司是靠经济舱赚钱的

newkids_on_the_block 写了： 2024年 2月 19日 06:33 正态分布曲线，大多数都还是穷人，只能乘经济仓，手上的钱都要捏着花。

食品或者油价涨了20-30%就会叫的。如果大家都超过了网上所说的贫困钱，食品或者油价翻一番都不是任何问题。

atomlaser 写了： 2024年 2月 20日 03:17 在如今中美几乎脱钩的情况下，中美班机里乘坐商务舱的主力仍然是白人，可见海华经济实力。

赖美豪中 写了： 2024年 2月 20日 07:45 商务舱本来就是商务的才坐。

atomlaser 写了： 2024年 2月 20日 03:17 在如今中美几乎脱钩的情况下，中美班机里乘坐商务舱的主力仍然是白人，可见海华经济实力。