#46 Re: 黑客拿到了乌克兰死了１７０万士兵的记录
发表于 ： 2025年 8月 21日 12:24
中国的八年抗战，军人死亡不过三四百万。
中国的八年抗战，军人死亡不过三四百万。
Casulty 是gateway pundit 的说法，你看底下引用的RT和MA的报道写的是KIA 和MIA
克兰已死，有事烧纸。
你们服不服？
Ukrainian lady is furious because data was just revealed presenting 1.7 mln of deceased/lost soldiers while the official version is 30k xD
乌克兰军队现在还有1百万现役和400万后备役的规模，这也说明乌克兰不可能已经承受了六七百万的军队伤亡，因为乌克兰不可能有1000多万人累计服役--现役500万，伤亡600万。
缺乏基本军事和人口常识的人很多。比如志愿军在朝鲜的损失，也经常有人分不清死亡和伤亡的区别。
beijingren3 写了： 2025年 8月 21日 12:31Ukrainian lady is furious because data was just revealed presenting 1.7 mln of deceased/lost soldiers while the official version is 30k xD
ridgway 写了： 2025年 8月 21日 12:33乌克兰军队现在还有1百万现役和400万后备役的规模，这也说明乌克兰不可能已经承受了六七百万的军队伤亡，因为乌克兰不可能有1000多万人累计服役--现役500万，伤亡600万。
我的计算是现在乌克兰现役加后备役低于１００万，已经死伤３５０万．１：３的死伤比是二战的强国，乌克兰根本没有控制战场和救治能力，能做到１：２就顶天了，俄乌超级悬殊的士兵尸体交换比就是明证．
兵力资源还能顶几个月吧．战到最后一个乌克兰人可不是空话．
RT MT 就更是谎言大本营了。。。
第三方统计有图片，视频，卫星影像的俄国重武器（坦克，装甲车等等）损失是乌克兰的3倍。。。
S B五毛居然用没有任何信用的所谓的黑客数据，现实是你俄爹已经用上了好几万北棒士兵了，乌克兰从来没有收到几万外国军人的支援，谁死得多一目了然
4000 万总人口，成年男子为什么只有 700万？假设男女各半，男人平均寿命 70。
4000/2 * （60-18）/70 = 1200 万。
难道克兰战前男女比例就很失调了？
ridgway 写了： 2025年 8月 21日 12:20乌克兰虽然有700万成年男子年龄在18-60之间，但是真正适合服役的只有大约一半，即300多万。这也证明了乌克兰军队伤亡600万是完全不可能的。
There were approximately 7.35 million men aged 18-60 in Ukraine as of 2023, based on a 2023 population estimate of 36.7 million and the country's age structure, which showed approximately 19.9% of the population in this age range. However, the exact number of males in this age group eligible for military service is much lower due to factors like emigration, disability, and deployment outside the country, with one estimate suggesting only 3.7 million are eligible for mobilization.
Calculation Details:Total Population: The estimated total population of Ukraine in 2023 was around 36.7 million.
Men in 18-60 Age Range: The age structure for Ukraine shows that 19.9% of the population is in the 15-64 age range. Since approximately 50% of the population is male, that would mean roughly 19.9% of the total population consists of males in this age range. Therefore, 36.7 million * 0.199 * 0.5 = approximately 3.66 million, so this is around 7.35 million males.
Conscription Eligibility: This figure does not reflect the number of men currently serving or potentially able to serve. Factors like deaths, emigration, and disabilities reduce the number of men available for conscription
这是不是做实了我鳖谎言诈骗？
我鳖在朝鲜打了3年人海战争，怎么做到只死了20几万的？
比乌克兰会打吗？还是美国太弱了？显然都不是，也就是证明我鳖数据谎言诈骗了。
dead or missing
你的计算有什么依据？公开的数据乌克兰现役120万，后备役400万，还有500万兵力。1：3死伤比是普世常识。而泽连斯基司机公布的是死3万，伤30万，接近1：10的死伤比，这也说明乌克兰有很强的救治能力。
我的估计，乌克兰再顶一年不成问题。让事实来说话吧。如果乌克兰坚持一年以上，你是否要公开承认你造谣？
Atack 写了： 2025年 8月 21日 13:22我的计算是现在乌克兰现役加后备役低于１００万，已经死伤３５０万．１：３的死伤比是二战的强国，乌克兰根本没有控制战场和救治能力，能做到１：２就顶天了，俄乌超级悬殊的士兵尸体交换比就是明证．
兵力资源还能顶几个月吧．战到最后一个乌克兰人可不是空话．
那就更不可能了，如果用1：3死伤比，乌克兰军队损失五六百万，你觉得这有任何可能性吗？
AI说的啊，本来战前乌克兰人口就是女多男少。
Sunland 写了： 2025年 8月 21日 14:004000 万总人口，成年男子为什么只有 700万？假设男女各半，男人平均寿命 70。
4000/2 * （60-18）/70 = 1200 万。
难道克兰战前男女比例就很失调了？
AI 概览
In 2022, an estimated 4.3 million to 4.7 million men in Ukraine were between the ages of 18 and 65, a figure calculated by subtracting the female population under 18 and over 65, the male population under 18, and the male population over 65 from the total male population in that year.
Here's a breakdown of how this number is derived:
Total Male Population:
The total male population in Ukraine in 2022 was approximately 19.4 million, based on Worldometer's data and an overall population of about 41 million.
Population Under 18:
The number of people under 18 was roughly 7.3 million, or 18% of the population. Since women make up about 48% of Ukraine's population, approximately 3.8 million males were under 18.
Population 65 and Older:
The population aged 65 and over was around 6.9 million. With males forming about 44.9% of the total population, this means roughly 3.1 million men were 65 and over.
Calculation:
Subtracting these numbers from the total male population:
19.4 million (total males) - 3.8 million (males under 18) - 3.1 million (males 65+) = 12.5 million men between 18 and 65.
Note: The provided information varies by source. While the World Bank data states there are 9.3 million men aged 25-59, other data points indicate a larger total male population. The range of 4.3 to 4.7 million is based on the World Bank data showing the number of men aged 25-59 was 9,307,315 in 2022, suggesting this figure may not be for the total age range.
Therefore, the precise number for the 18-65 age range cannot be given definitively from the provided sources.
Sunland 写了： 2025年 8月 21日 14:004000 万总人口，成年男子为什么只有 700万？假设男女各半，男人平均寿命 70。
4000/2 * （60-18）/70 = 1200 万。
难道克兰战前男女比例就很失调了？
几个月到底是几个月？给个准信？俄罗斯一个红军村打了3年都没打下来，乌克兰还能怎么溃败？
Atack 写了： 2025年 8月 20日 16:43川巨巨最近这么着急停火应该是看到乌克兰快顶不住了，想在乌克兰全面溃败前争取个体面的结局．另一方面，如果乌克兰不听，几个月后大溃败，他还可以说都怪你们当初不听他的．
俄乌总伤亡140万，其中俄罗斯100万，乌克兰40万，这是伤亡合计，纯死亡一般只有四分之一（1：3死伤比）。
Troop Casualties in Ukraine War Near 1.4 Million, Study Finds
With high casualty figures and the slow pace of Russia’s territorial gains, President Vladimir V. Putin could face years more of a grinding war of attrition in Ukraine.
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Ukrainian volunteers identifying the remains of Russian soldiers in eastern Ukraine in February. Nearly one million Russian troops have been killed or wounded in the country’s war against Ukraine, according to a new study.Credit...Tyler Hicks/The New York Times
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By Helene Cooper
Reporting from Washington
June 3, 2025
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Nearly one million Russian troops have been killed or wounded in the country’s war against Ukraine, according to a new study, a staggering toll as Russia’s three-year assault on its neighbor grinds on.
The study, published on Tuesday by the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said that close to 400,000 Ukrainian troops have also been killed or wounded since the war began. That would put the overall casualty figure, for Russian and Ukrainian troops combined, at almost 1.4 million.
Officials cautioned that casualty figures were difficult to estimate because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures. The study published on Tuesday relied on casualty figures from American and British government estimates, among other sources.
The figures present an overall accounting of Russia’s slow progress in Ukraine, with Russia proceeding in some places at around 165 feet a day, slower than even the bogged-down and costly Somme advance of British and French troops in World War I. Since January 2024, Russia has seized less than 1 percent of Ukrainian territory, according to CSIS, even as it continues to advance in the country. Overall, Russia occupies about 20 percent of Ukraine.
你那个报道引用的就是RT 和MT， 它的消息源说是死亡和失踪，到了标题就变成casualties （伤亡），这个是报道的基本素质吧
因为右翼网站也不敢相信俄国报道啊。。。如果170万阵亡，伤亡就得500万了，乌克兰才多少人啊，考虑俄国人员和武器的优势，如果能造成乌军这种伤亡，早该突飞猛进，而不是象现在这样乌龟爬了。。