入籍也不安全了：美国全面启动归化公民清查，这10类人将被“优先撤籍”（ZZ）

[wh]

have not，并不是will not

也不是will，就是不确定……

[wh]

首先，不管是不是犯罪，取消visa的门槛很低。根本不需要found guilty. arrest record就足够了，就和你申请有security clearance的工作，arrest record就足以在简历关失败了

那是非常草率从事的。不少被取消签证的学生打官司都打赢了，说明这事从头到尾就是一场浪费人力物力的闹剧。我前面贴的新闻里还说律师想请法庭下禁令，但政府辩护律师说不必了，因为ICE已经给受影响的学生发信恢复签证了——那纯粹是折腾……
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... -crackdown
"At a court hearing last week in Oakland, California, lawyers for international students sought a nationwide injunction they said would protect their clients and others across the country.

But government attorneys said that wasn't necessary because ICE was mailing status reactivation letters to affected students. It likely will take two weeks for all students to receive their letter, which can then be shared with universities and employers, assistant U.S. attorney Elizabeth Kurlan said.

The plaintiffs' lawyers said the letter is meaningless, arguing ICE’s new policy suggests student records can be terminated on a whim. There's also no evidence ICE has asked the State Department to restore revoked visas, the plaintiffs' attorneys said."

而且这样的折腾对年轻学生打击很大，也让他们对美国政府失去信任，只有害怕和反感。那个新闻里说一个博士生都快精神崩溃了：
A student at Iowa State University who also requested anonymity out of concern about being targeted, said he is looking for options to leave the U.S., after what he describes as a “dark period.”

The Ph.D. student said his status termination pushed him to a mental breaking point. He had a plane ticket back home to Bangladesh reserved. He hardly left his apartment, and when he did, he felt he was being followed.

He attributes his termination to pending charges against him for marijuana possession, but he said he hadn't been convicted.

After his status reinstatement, he restarted a teaching assistant job he had lost. Then, he had to catch up on grading almost three weeks of assignments for dozens of students.

While he's relieved to get back to school, he's confident about his decision to leave by the end of the year — either for home or Europe. The degree is not worth the risk of another status termination, he said.

“How much should I suffer to continue here?” he said.

[shanghaibaba]

您这英文绝了，这个小刘没到年龄被查到车里有酒，minor你以为是酒的牌子？

你他猫懂不懂法阿？小留没到年龄拿到酒，小留不犯罪，卖酒给他的人才犯罪。
小留就算是喝了酒，只要没在公众场合闹事，就不犯罪。警察抓到他，最多也就是给他强制叫个救护车让他付账单而已。

[wh]

你他猫懂不懂法阿？小留没到年龄拿到酒，小留不犯罪，卖酒给他的人才犯罪。
小留就算是喝了酒，只要没在公众场合闹事，就不犯罪。警察抓到他，最多也就是给他强制叫个救护车让他付账单而已。

酒庄一般不敢卖酒给未成年人吧。不知道大学生们怎么买的酒。学生喝酒非常普遍啊，老师基本睁一只眼闭一只眼不管。
不过我查到underage possession of alcohol是违法的哎。

[shanghaibaba]

酒庄一般不敢卖酒给未成年人吧。不知道大学生们怎么买的酒。学生喝酒非常普遍啊，老师基本睁一只眼闭一只眼不管。
不过我查到underage possession of alcohol是违法的哎。

当然非法，但不犯罪。非法同居也是非法啊。

[wh]

当然非法，但不犯罪。非法同居也是非法啊。

AI说是criminal offense哎……虽然各州法律和处罚很不一样。

[shanghaibaba]

AI说是criminal offense哎……虽然各州法律和处罚很不一样。

Penalties:
While not as severe as felony or misdemeanor charges, penalties for underage possession can include fines, license suspension, and other consequences.

连misdemeanor都算不上，就是罚款，通知家长，通知学校。

[赖美豪中]

你好法盲，按您这逻辑，持有四号不犯法，犯法的是卖给他的人，持有非法武器不犯法，犯法的是卖给他的人，杀人的不犯法，犯法的是卖他杀人武器的人。我老就知道你们左派的智商是珍贵样本

当然非法，但不犯罪。非法同居也是非法啊。

[mondy]

这样搞得草木皆兵，人心惶惶哦。
看到老师群里说nih明年预算减少40%，NSF减少过半。好几个高校裁员，冻结招聘，减少研究生招生，增加学费。MIT免学费不知道能撑几年。

绝大部分学校冻结招聘，已经发的faculty offer撤回，已经知道好几例了

[赖美豪中]

看看gpt咋说
Most U.S. states treat under-21 possession of alcohol in a vehicle as a misdemeanor crime, often resulting in fines, possible license suspension, and mandatory alcohol education.

A few states, like Maryland, handle minor possession via civil citations rather than criminal charges.

Specific laws and penalties vary significantly—some states (e.g., Missouri) allow exceptions for parental presence, others impose strict zero-tolerance.

Penalties:
While not as severe as felony or misdemeanor charges, penalties for underage possession can include fines, license suspension, and other consequences.

连misdemeanor都算不上，就是罚款，通知家长，通知学校。

[Narcotics07]

"...with a closed container of alcohol... they haven't been found guilty in court."

擦，这不是买酒么，连买酒都是犯罪了？

[oldestghost]

酒庄一般不敢卖酒给未成年人吧。不知道大学生们怎么买的酒。学生喝酒非常普遍啊，老师基本睁一只眼闭一只眼不管。
不过我查到underage possession of alcohol是违法的哎。

一群里总有一个年纪大的。

另外有些用的假的驾照

[wh]

你好法盲，按您这逻辑，持有四号不犯法，犯法的是卖给他的人，持有非法武器不犯法，犯法的是卖给他的人，杀人的不犯法，犯法的是卖他杀人武器的人。我老就知道你们左派的智商是珍贵样本

四号是啥？

[wh]

一群里总有一个年纪大的。

另外有些用的假的驾照

用假驾照更违法吧？
不过我搞不清违法的概念了。我引的第一个新闻说学生是underage possession of alcohol，但又说haven't been found guilty。如果前一条肯定犯法，那怎么又不guilty？

[oldestghost]

用假驾照更违法吧？
不过我搞不清违法的概念了。我引的第一个新闻说学生是underage possession of alcohol，但又说haven't been found guilty。如果前一条肯定犯法，那怎么又不guilty？

你觉得美国警察会有多认真。。。。。

特别是一群abc和纯老美。。。。。

特别是在西海岸

我只能告诉你，学生们都这么做，而且因为药品酒精还死过人。

[wh]

Penalties:
While not as severe as felony or misdemeanor charges, penalties for underage possession can include fines, license suspension, and other consequences.

连misdemeanor都算不上，就是罚款，通知家长，通知学校。

我也看到，好像还有上课、社会劳动等。
比misdemeanor更轻的criminal charge是什么？

[wh]

你觉得美国警察会有多认真。。。。。

特别是一群abc和纯老美。。。。。

特别是在西海岸

我只能告诉你，学生们都这么做，而且因为药品酒精还死过人。

法庭应该严格讲逻辑和法律啊……多半还有什么我不知道的东西可能帮他免罪，所以不能在审判前就判定guilty？
东部大学生喝酒也一样普遍，party、兄弟会等都会买酒。

[wh]

擦，这不是买酒么，连买酒都是犯罪了？

未成年买酒确实违法吧。未成年持酒应该也是，不过新闻的意思又不一定。可能同车有21岁以上的人？
你这周回国是吗？

[jiujianoufu]

非法移民还没搞定，搞合法移民，你有多少resources ?

[oldestghost]

法庭应该严格讲逻辑和法律啊……多半还有什么我不知道的东西可能帮他免罪，所以不能在审判前就判定guilty？
东部大学生喝酒也一样普遍，party、兄弟会等都会买酒。

一般没人管。

管了的大部分是有其他事做引子。

比如危险驾驶，比如打架，比如噪音扰民。