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8 dead and 7 wounded, so at least 100 people are in close proximity and in harm's way, so why nobody pulled out his/her gun for defense? According to you, about two of those 100 people should be carrying guns. Or once again you hit the jackpot again, and by coincidence nobody was carrying gun this time?
If 20% or more people were carrying guns, as you hope, do you think someone would have pulled out his/her gun and fired back?

fortyNiner 写了： 2023年 5月 9日 01:08 8 dead and 7 wounded, so at least 100 people are in close proximity and in harm's way, so why nobody pulled out his/her gun for defense? According to you, about two of those 100 people should be carrying guns. Or once again you hit the jackpot again, and by coincidence nobody was carrying gun this time?
If 20% or more people were carrying guns, as you hope, do you think someone would have pulled out his/her gun and fired back?

谁告诉你枪手开枪时附近有100人？就凭你信口开河？

Use your brain, if not 100 people, at least 50. In a busy mall, when you can directly hit 15, there are many more times of people in close proximity.
Look at all the mass shootings so far this year, there have been 281 killed and 819 wounded, for a combined of 1100. According to you, there should be at least 22 among the casualty who carried guns on daily basis. So how many of these mass shooting victims took out their guns? Don't forget that the people in close proximity to the perpetrators must be a lot more than 1100. For example, there were many more people in the dancing hall during the Monterey Park mass shooting, and all of them were in danger.
So you can answer the question using this number of 1100. Don't dodge the question with craps like 就凭你信口开河.
Do you believe that if more people are carrying guns, there will be more use of gun for defense?

jhe123 写了： 2023年 5月 9日 08:43 谁告诉你枪手开枪时附近有100人？就凭你信口开河？

fortyNiner 写了： 2023年 5月 9日 20:17 Use your brain, if not 100 people, at least 50. In a busy mall, when you can directly hit 15, there are many more times of people in close proximity.
Look at all the mass shootings so far this year, there have been 281 killed and 819 wounded, for a combined of 1100. According to you, there should be at least 22 among the casualty who carried guns on daily basis. So how many of these mass shooting victims took out their guns? Don't forget that the people in close proximity to the perpetrators must be a lot more than 1100. For example, there were many more people in the dancing hall during the Monterey Park mass shooting, and all of them were in danger.
So you can answer the question using this number of 1100. Don't dodge the question with craps like 就凭你信口开河.
Do you believe that if more people are carrying guns, there will be more use of gun for defense?

就你这一团浆糊的脑子，还是少用为好。呵呵，你这一篇简直是漏洞百出

1. 先定义一下你的close proximity, 到底多少距离以内才算。然后你再描述一下枪击的过程，就知道你一拍脑门的信口开河到底有多荒谬。

2. 少拿那些反枪组织自己定义的mass shooting来扯淡，FBI定义的公共场合的active shooting每年死伤也就各100来人，除了维加斯那年特殊以外。反枪组织把帮派互杀或者家庭纠纷杀老婆孩子的都算在mass shooting 里面。这些和公共场合active shooting有个屁的关系。

3. 你知道有多少这些active shooting是发生在禁枪区的？禁枪区里人再多又有个鸟用？你也好意思厚着脸皮拿加州舞厅的案例说事，加州有几个能带枪的？

1. Close proximity means you can see the shooter and the shooter can see and shoot at you. So given 15 were shot, give me your guess how many were in close proximity.

2. You can argue the definition of mass shooting, but you cannot Change the fact that those 1100 were shot, so where were your 22 good guys with guns? Look at numbers so far this year.
4/15: Alabama's sweet 16 party, 4 killed and 32 wounded
1/21: Monterey park, 11 killed and 9 wounded
5/6: TX, 8 killed and 7 wounded
1/22: Louisiana, bar/club, 12 wounded
1/5: Florida, bar/club, 10 wounded
1/1: Florida, neighbor shot at party, 9 wounded
4/28: TX, by neighbor, 5 killed
The shooting in a beach party during high school ditch day couple weeks back.

Just to name a few. Plus, why do you just look at the ones at public and not gang-related? In the other cases, victims were not killed by guns?

3. Just the above mentioned, which one was in gun-free zone?

jhe123 写了： 2023年 5月 9日 23:36 就你这一团浆糊的脑子，还是少用为好。呵呵，你这一篇简直是漏洞百出

1. 先定义一下你的close proximity, 到底多少距离以内才算。然后你再描述一下枪击的过程，就知道你一拍脑门的信口开河到底有多荒谬。

2. 少拿那些反枪组织自己定义的mass shooting来扯淡，FBI定义的公共场合的active shooting每年死伤也就各100来人，除了维加斯那年特殊以外。反枪组织把帮派互杀或者家庭纠纷杀老婆孩子的都算在mass shooting 里面。这些和公共场合active shooting有个屁的关系。

3. 你知道有多少这些active shooting是发生在禁枪区的？禁枪区里人再多又有个鸟用？你也好意思厚着脸皮拿加州舞厅的案例说事，加州有几个能带枪的？

fortyNiner 写了： 2023年 5月 10日 00:47 1. Close proximity means you can see the shooter and the shooter can see and shoot at you. So given 15 were shot, give me your guess how many were in close proximity.

2. You can argue the definition of mass shooting, but you cannot Change the fact that those 1100 were shot, so where were your 22 good guys with guns? Look at numbers so far this year.
4/15: Alabama's sweet 16 party, 4 killed and 32 wounded
1/21: Monterey park, 11 killed and 9 wounded
5/6: TX, 8 killed and 7 wounded
1/22: Louisiana, bar/club, 12 wounded
1/5: Florida, bar/club, 10 wounded
1/1: Florida, neighbor shot at party, 9 wounded
4/28: TX, by neighbor, 5 killed
The shooting in a beach party during high school ditch day couple weeks back.

Just to name a few. Plus, why do you just look at the ones at public and not gang-related? In the other cases, victims were not killed by guns?

3. Just the above mentioned, which one was in gun-free zone?

又瞎扯淡。

1. 556有效范围是500码，人的视力看得更远，你是说500码以内都是close proximity?

2. 帮派互杀是特定人群里的犯罪行为，除非你是混帮派的，不然你关心这个干嘛？FBI定义的active shooting里面都不包括帮派互杀，你起个啥劲儿？

3. 公共场合active shooting，你先把属于这个定义的找出来，然后再搞清楚哪个是禁枪区哪个不是，我再教你为啥没人反击。你啥都不懂啥都不做，胡说两句就想浪费我的时间，呵呵。。。

我只有一事不明。黄疮和黄肛的Venn diagram到底是什么样子的？？？？

YouHi 写了： 2023年 5月 10日 14:51 我只有一事不明。黄疮和黄肛的Venn diagram到底是什么样子的？？？？

我也有一事不明。黄左和黄无肛的Venn diagram到底是什么样子的？？？？

1. You need to improve your comprehension a little bit. "the shooter can see and shoot at you" means the shooter can aim at and shoot you, and there is a reasonable good chance for him to hit you. So if you use 100 yards, and since the shooter was moving, so how many people do you think were in a moving 100 yard radius? Of course you can exclude any area where the shooter could not get in. 50? 100? or 200? That of course depends on how busy the mass was at that time. But my understanding is, it was pretty busy. So if you don't like my estimate of 100 people, give me your estimate.
2. There have been too many people killed or injured simply because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't do ordinary people avoid going to gang-infested areas? Don't tell me that you are immune from their bullets.
3. Don't distract the problem. I am humbly asking you why none of those 1100 people have pulled out their guns to fight back. Don't tell me that because they were busy on their phone looking for the definition of "active shooting in public".

jhe123 写了： 2023年 5月 10日 14:47 又瞎扯淡。

1. 556有效范围是500码，人的视力看得更远，你是说500码以内都是close proximity?

2. 帮派互杀是特定人群里的犯罪行为，除非你是混帮派的，不然你关心这个干嘛？FBI定义的active shooting里面都不包括帮派互杀，你起个啥劲儿？

3. 公共场合active shooting，你先把属于这个定义的找出来，然后再搞清楚哪个是禁枪区哪个不是，我再教你为啥没人反击。你啥都不懂啥都不做，胡说两句就想浪费我的时间，呵呵。。。

fortyNiner 写了： 2023年 5月 11日 01:11 1. You need to improve your comprehension a little bit. "the shooter can see and shoot at you" means the shooter can aim at and shoot you, and there is a reasonable good chance for him to hit you. So if you use 100 yards, and since the shooter was moving, so how many people do you think were in a moving 100 yard radius? Of course you can exclude any area where the shooter could not get in. 50? 100? or 200? That of course depends on how busy the mass was at that time. But my understanding is, it was pretty busy. So if you don't like my estimate of 100 people, give me your estimate.
2. There have been too many people killed or injured simply because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't do ordinary people avoid going to gang-infested areas? Don't tell me that you are immune from their bullets.
3. Don't distract the problem. I am humbly asking you why none of those 1100 people have pulled out their guns to fight back. Don't tell me that because they were busy on their phone looking for the definition of "active shooting in public".

1. 你的瞎琢磨完全错误。前面给你挖个坑谈距离，你就往里跳。LOL。。。close proximity 没有固定的距离划分，完全取决于当时情况场景。必须具体问题具体分析，没有统一标准。德州这个商场当时直接受威胁不得不拼命的人最多二三十人，如果你对该枪击案的详情有起码的了解的话。

2. 罪犯之间的仇杀和黑帮互杀和良民遇害完全不同类型，二者不可混为一谈。数据必须分开分析。

3. 你要想向我请教，至少得提供各个案例最起码的信息，我才能教你。具体问题具体分析，你不要违背唯物辩证法分析问题的基本原则。

我只有一事不明。黄疮和黄肛的Venn diagram到底是什么样子的？？？？

YouHi 写了： 2023年 5月 11日 11:43 我只有一事不明。黄疮和黄肛的Venn diagram到底是什么样子的？？？？

我也有一事不明。黄左和黄无肛的Venn diagram到底是什么样子的？？？？

>>二三十人
and 8 were killed and 7 were injured. You are in a busy mall, and there are only 20-30 people around you? When you fart in a mall, at least 20 to 30 can smell it.

jhe123 写了： 2023年 5月 11日 11:41 1. 你的瞎琢磨完全错误。前面给你挖个坑谈距离，你就往里跳。LOL。。。close proximity 没有固定的距离划分，完全取决于当时情况场景。必须具体问题具体分析，没有统一标准。德州这个商场当时直接受威胁不得不拼命的人最多二三十人，如果你对该枪击案的详情有起码的了解的话。

2. 罪犯之间的仇杀和黑帮互杀和良民遇害完全不同类型，二者不可混为一谈。数据必须分开分析。

3. 你要想向我请教，至少得提供各个案例最起码的信息，我才能教你。具体问题具体分析，你不要违背唯物辩证法分析问题的基本原则。

fortyNiner 写了： 2023年 5月 11日 23:29 >>二三十人
and 8 were killed and 7 were injured. You are in a busy mall, and there are only 20-30 people around you? When you fart in a mall, at least 20 to 30 can smell it.

呵呵，你真是又愚蠢又冥顽不化。前面都给你提示了叫你去研究一下这起枪击案的详细情况你就不会再凭自己的瞎想胡说八道了。

You are a fool with a very hard beak. Look at this map. This guy did some research online and knew the busiest hours at that mall is Saturday 3-6 pm. (--https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/socia ... k/3253692/) In a busy mall during busy time, at any moment you look around, there are at least one to two hundred people around you whom you can directly aim and shoot at and have a good chance to hit. Not to mention that this guy shot all the way from H&M to Fat Burger. If you still say there were only 20 to 30 people around him at that time, you are either a fool or thought others are fools, or you must live in some desolate place and have never been to a mall.

jhe123 写了： 2023年 5月 12日 14:11 呵呵，你真是又愚蠢又冥顽不化。前面都给你提示了叫你去研究一下这起枪击案的详细情况你就不会再凭自己的瞎想胡说八道了。

fortyNiner 写了： 2023年 5月 14日 03:43 You are a fool with a very hard beak. Look at this map. This guy did some research online and knew the busiest hours at that mall is Saturday 3-6 pm. (--https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/socia ... k/3253692/) In a busy mall during busy time, at any moment you look around, there are at least one to two hundred people around you whom you can directly aim and shoot at and have a good chance to hit. Not to mention that this guy shot all the way from H&M to Fat Burger. If you still say there were only 20 to 30 people around him at that time, you are either a fool or thought others are fools, or you must live in some desolate place and have never been to a mall.

呵呵，终于知道去翻报道了，比前两天一拍脑门的信口开河强多了，但可惜你读了报道也搞不明白状况。

先说你继续的凭感觉在想当然，你以为全美国的mall都和加州的mall一样那么多顾客流量？busy是个相对的概念，Allen mall最忙的时候说不定比不上加州的 mall平常的客流量。在该次枪击案中的报道中，就提到在警察清理完现场，就顾客都出来时，hundreds of customers走了出来。这个mall有120+店面，你说每个店面里面和门口能有几个人？

第二，这个枪手根本没有进入任何一家商店里面，在HM门外开枪后一路走到fat burger，整个过程4分钟就被击毙，他沿途经过的那些店面里躲藏的顾客没有一个处于不得不拼命的境况，所以就算有人带枪也不用理会枪手，何况这个mall又是个禁枪区。

第三，在枪手开火时，处于不得不拼命境况的距离内的人数是有限的，而且这个距离随具体情况而变。如果20码距离的开阔地带，只有少数几个目标的话，这几个目标都处于不得不拼命的状况，没有拼命的家伙那恐怕就只能等死了。同样20码，在这个mall 里面，就算像你说的人山人海，枪手也只能从距离最近的几个杀起，两三秒的时间其它人就该反应过来了，要么躲进店面，要么跑开，真正需要拼命的依然是最前面不多的几个人而已。

Gun free zone,。。

>>信口开河?
100 people and 20-30, which one is more 信口开河?

>>hundreds of customers走了出来
Many more people already left/escaped. Those hundreds were the ones "trapped" in stores.
At its busiest time, there are less than 10 customers per store in the outlet? Is this the result of TX attracting so many people from Cal and other states? I feel sorry for your TX merchants. Look at this video, ( Starting at 6:00, there were more than twenty people passing by in the video in the next 10 seconds. Ten seconds of walking is no more than 20 meters, but you can have good aim at least 50 to 100 meters away in both directions. So within that distance of 100 to 200 meters, there should be about five to ten times more people. So if you were outside that store at the moment of the video, you would have good aim at at least 100 people. This video was uploaded about a month ago, and I don't know if it was taken at the busiest hours.

>>就算像你说的人山人海，枪手也只能从距离最近的几个杀起，两三秒的时间其它人就该反应过来了，要么躲进店面，要么跑开，真正需要拼命的依然是最前面不多的几个人而已。
So that's how you use guns for defense? By 跑开? Hope the shooter got someone else? How fast can you run? 2 to 3 seconds to react. How many more seconds do people need to run far enough? And the shooter is just standing there, not chasing after people to shoot them? This guy went to the mall to see people running or to shoot at people?

>>mall又是个禁枪区
Again? Where else is not GFZ? Even in TX? Why are you TX law makers so stupid? Blame it on the Dems to establish GFZs?

jhe123 写了： 2023年 5月 15日 14:02 呵呵，终于知道去翻报道了，比前两天一拍脑门的信口开河强多了，但可惜你读了报道也搞不明白状况。

先说你继续的凭感觉在想当然，你以为全美国的mall都和加州的mall一样那么多顾客流量？busy是个相对的概念，Allen mall最忙的时候说不定比不上加州的 mall平常的客流量。在该次枪击案中的报道中，就提到在警察清理完现场，就顾客都出来时，hundreds of customers走了出来。这个mall有120+店面，你说每个店面里面和门口能有几个人？

第二，这个枪手根本没有进入任何一家商店里面，在HM门外开枪后一路走到fat burger，整个过程4分钟就被击毙，他沿途经过的那些店面里躲藏的顾客没有一个处于不得不拼命的境况，所以就算有人带枪也不用理会枪手，何况这个mall又是个禁枪区。

第三，在枪手开火时，处于不得不拼命境况的距离内的人数是有限的，而且这个距离随具体情况而变。如果20码距离的开阔地带，只有少数几个目标的话，这几个目标都处于不得不拼命的状况，没有拼命的家伙那恐怕就只能等死了。同样20码，在这个mall 里面，就算像你说的人山人海，枪手也只能从距离最近的几个杀起，两三秒的时间其它人就该反应过来了，要么躲进店面，要么跑开，真正需要拼命的依然是最前面不多的几个人而已。

就你贴的这个录像，你为啥选6：00-6：10这段，而不选前面4：57-5：08只有一个人从窗口走过，5：13到5：48只有8个人走过，你为啥不选这两段？尼玛的你丫以前还有脸说老子cherry pick，你要点脸行不？

你是屁都不懂就知道胡咧咧。你真的傻到以为我说跑开就安全了是指要跑到子弹打不到的地方？在mall里面这个环境，枪手在外面马路上射击，那你躲进身边的店面就没了危险，除非枪手后来再闯进你躲藏的店面里。这么简单的事情你都搞不懂？

run hide fight是对付mass shooting的指导原则，所有的警察局和训练课都是这样教的。所以就算身上带枪的人也是能跑就跑能躲就躲，带枪是万一为了自己和家人不得不拼命时用的，不是拿来保护别人的。

得州已经允许学校带枪了，这个比大多数州都强多了。这个mall是私人地盘，完全由mall的管理层决定，搞成禁枪区是管理层里的反枪傻逼们的决定。

fortyNiner 写了： 2023年 5月 16日 00:32 >>信口开河?
100 people and 20-30, which one is more 信口开河?

>>hundreds of customers走了出来
Many more people already left/escaped. Those hundreds were the ones "trapped" in stores.
At its busiest time, there are less than 10 customers per store in the outlet? Is this the result of TX attracting so many people from Cal and other states? I feel sorry for your TX merchants. Look at this video, ( Starting at 6:00, there were more than twenty people passing by in the video in the next 10 seconds. Ten seconds of walking is no more than 20 meters, but you can have good aim at least 50 to 100 meters away in both directions. So within that distance of 100 to 200 meters, there should be about five to ten times more people. So if you were outside that store at the moment of the video, you would have good aim at at least 100 people. This video was uploaded about a month ago, and I don't know if it was taken at the busiest hours.

>>就算像你说的人山人海，枪手也只能从距离最近的几个杀起，两三秒的时间其它人就该反应过来了，要么躲进店面，要么跑开，真正需要拼命的依然是最前面不多的几个人而已。
So that's how you use guns for defense? By 跑开? Hope the shooter got someone else? How fast can you run? 2 to 3 seconds to react. How many more seconds do people need to run far enough? And the shooter is just standing there, not chasing after people to shoot them? This guy went to the mall to see people running or to shoot at people?

>>mall又是个禁枪区
Again? Where else is not GFZ? Even in TX? Why are you TX law makers so stupid? Blame it on the Dems to establish GFZs?

Because that's the only time frame I can see outside the window or the car, on the closer side and the far side of the walkway.
From 5:13 to 5:48, are you sure there were only 8 people? Do you look at the other side of the walkway? Can you see?

jhe123 写了： 2023年 5月 16日 13:46 就你贴的这个录像，你为啥选6：00-6：10这段，而不选前面4：57-5：08只有一个人从窗口走过，5：13到5：48只有8个人走过，你为啥不选这两段？尼玛的你丫以前还有脸说老子cherry pick，你要点脸行不？

你是屁都不懂就知道胡咧咧。你真的傻到以为我说跑开就安全了是指要跑到子弹打不到的地方？在mall里面这个环境，枪手在外面马路上射击，那你躲进身边的店面就没了危险，除非枪手后来再闯进你躲藏的店面里。这么简单的事情你都搞不懂？

run hide fight是对付mass shooting的指导原则，所有的警察局和训练课都是这样教的。所以就算身上带枪的人也是能跑就跑能躲就躲，带枪是万一为了自己和家人不得不拼命时用的，不是拿来保护别人的。

得州已经允许学校带枪了，这个比大多数州都强多了。这个mall是私人地盘，完全由mall的管理层决定，搞成禁枪区是管理层里的反枪傻逼们的决定。