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kanting 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 13:40 她想保住终身教授位子。

wh. 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 13:44 哦，弃卒保车啊。有用吗？她那个plagiarism有没有严重到学校调查的地步？没看新闻，不知道怎么plagiarize了。

kanting 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 14:00 学校立案调查了，哈佛董事会的结论是有问题。问题不大。大约十天前的时候，严重抄袭（大段逐字抄袭抄袭）证据呈现在学术圈内，无可置疑。校长必须辞（实际是解职）。现在的情况是终身教授位能不能保住。按学术问题性质本身保不住。不过她是和肤色性别可能可以保护她。美国政治家不会吧事情做得那么难看。人家黑人有是女人这么弄，大家脸上都很难看，下不去手。她也是受害者，是你们有人要把她弄出来的做花瓶的。即使教授位保不住也不会马上开除或让她马上辞，过一段时间人让她自己以健康或家庭原因悄悄低调辞职。这个校长位的辞职看上去是解职，因为是董事会先发的电邮。解职的理由大概是学术抄袭不是国会听证的事。校长辞职电邮要在稍后发出。

wh. 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 14:28 找了一下新闻，她抄袭的不是思想创意，好像都是例行公事用语？她是英语不好吗？这太亏了。也有人说当时的学术规范不像现在那么严格。我以前大学也有个老师被调查，国内八十年代也确实学术不够规范。后来被人揭发的往往是风头比较劲、得罪了一大波人的学者。当时学校是保住了这位老师的，老师是很有才，学术成果卓越。当年论文没有严谨标出所有引用，有欠缺，但不影响学术成果。不过那次风波对他打击很大。不太清楚哈佛校长是不是也类似。不过照说美国90年代对学术引用已经要求得相当严格了。她可能做事比较粗，觉得致谢语什么的随便搬用无妨……

还没看到学校董事会发的公告，估计会说校长提出辞职，董事会接受吧？解职好像会影响pension，一般老师都选择辞职。希望不会太影响她的学术生涯；为了几句公事用语而断送学术太可惜了。

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/h ... arism.html
Harvard’s President Faces New Plagiarism Accusations
...
Some academics have said that Dr. Gay’s alleged offenses may reflect practices that were widespread in academia at the time of publication but have been tightened up since the advent of online plagiarism-detecting software.

She has not been accused of stealing big ideas, but rather of copying language in the papers of other scholars, with small changes to substitute words or phrases or to arrange them differently. Often the language in question is technical boilerplate.

In a typical example, the new complaint accurately quotes Dr. Gay’s 1997 dissertation, “Taking Charge: Black Electoral Success and the Redefinition of American Politics”: “The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters for precinct i is derived by the slice it’s tomography line cuts out of this bivariate distribution.”

The complaint quotes a similar line from Gary King, a Harvard political scientist, who was her thesis adviser and whom she credits in her acknowledgments: “The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters within the bounds indicated by its tomography line is derived by the slice it cuts out of the bivariate distribution of all lines.”

...

The accuser goes on to wonder why Harvard was so intent on exposing him or her: “Did Gay wish to personally thank me for helping her to improve her work even if I drove her harder than she wanted to be driven?”

The sentence is an allusion to a phrase in the acknowledgments of Dr. Gay’s 1997 dissertation, where she says that her family “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

It is one of the phrases she is accused of copying, from the acknowledgments of a 1996 book, “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild, who was thanking another academic.

RJZN 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 14:24 Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

It is with a heavy heart but a deep love for Harvard that I write to share that I will be stepping down as president. This is not a decision I came to easily. Indeed, it has been difficult beyond words because I have looked forward to working with so many of you to advance the commitment to academic excellence that has propelled this great university across centuries. But, after consultation with members of the Corporation, it has become clear that it is in the best interests of Harvard for me to resign so that our community can navigate this moment of extraordinary challenge with a focus on the institution rather than any individual.

It is a singular honor to be a member of this university, which has been my home and my inspiration for most of my professional career. My deep sense of connection to Harvard and its people has made it all the more painful to witness the tensions and divisions that have riven our community in recent months, weakening the bonds of trust and reciprocity that should be our sources of strength and support in times of crisis. Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor — two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am — and frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus.

I believe in the people of Harvard because I see in you the possibility and the promise of a better future. These last weeks have helped make clear the work we need to do to build that future — to combat bias and hate in all its forms, to create a learning environment in which we respect each other’s dignity and treat one another with compassion, and to affirm our enduring commitment to open inquiry and free expression in the pursuit of truth. I believe we have within us all that we need to heal from this period of tension and division and to emerge stronger. I had hoped with all my heart to lead us on that journey, in partnership with all of you. As I now return to the faculty, and to the scholarship and teaching that are the lifeblood of what we do, I pledge to continue working alongside you to build the community we all deserve.

When I became president, I considered myself particularly blessed by the opportunity to serve people from around the world who saw in my presidency a vision of Harvard that affirmed their sense of belonging — their sense that Harvard welcomes people of talent and promise, from every background imaginable, to learn from and grow with one another. To all of you, please know that those doors remain open, and Harvard will be stronger and better because they do.

As we welcome a new year and a new semester, I hope we can all look forward to brighter days. Sad as I am to be sending this message, my hopes for Harvard remain undimmed. When my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will be seen as a moment of reawakening to the importance of striving to find our common humanity — and of not allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education. I trust we will all find ways, in this time of intense challenge and controversy, to recommit ourselves to the excellence, the openness, and the independence that are crucial to what our university stands for — and to our capacity to serve the world.

Sincerely,
Claudine Gay

wh. 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 14:28 找了一下新闻，她抄袭的不是思想创意，好像都是例行公事用语？她是英语不好吗？这太亏了。也有人说当时的学术规范不像现在那么严格。我以前大学也有个老师被调查，国内八十年代也确实学术不够规范。后来被人揭发的往往是风头比较劲、得罪了一大波人的学者。当时学校是保住了这位老师的，老师是很有才，学术成果卓越。当年论文没有严谨标出所有引用，有欠缺，但不影响学术成果。不过那次风波对他打击很大。不太清楚哈佛校长是不是也类似。不过照说美国90年代对学术引用已经要求得相当严格了。她可能做事比较粗，觉得致谢语什么的随便搬用无妨……

还没看到学校董事会发的公告，估计会说校长提出辞职，董事会接受吧？解职好像会影响pension，一般老师都选择辞职。希望不会太影响她的学术生涯；为了几句公事用语而断送学术太可惜了。

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/h ... arism.html
Harvard’s President Faces New Plagiarism Accusations
...
Some academics have said that Dr. Gay’s alleged offenses may reflect practices that were widespread in academia at the time of publication but have been tightened up since the advent of online plagiarism-detecting software.

She has not been accused of stealing big ideas, but rather of copying language in the papers of other scholars, with small changes to substitute words or phrases or to arrange them differently. Often the language in question is technical boilerplate.

In a typical example, the new complaint accurately quotes Dr. Gay’s 1997 dissertation, “Taking Charge: Black Electoral Success and the Redefinition of American Politics”: “The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters for precinct i is derived by the slice it’s tomography line cuts out of this bivariate distribution.”

The complaint quotes a similar line from Gary King, a Harvard political scientist, who was her thesis adviser and whom she credits in her acknowledgments: “The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters within the bounds indicated by its tomography line is derived by the slice it cuts out of the bivariate distribution of all lines.”

...

The accuser goes on to wonder why Harvard was so intent on exposing him or her: “Did Gay wish to personally thank me for helping her to improve her work even if I drove her harder than she wanted to be driven?”

The sentence is an allusion to a phrase in the acknowledgments of Dr. Gay’s 1997 dissertation, where she says that her family “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

It is one of the phrases she is accused of copying, from the acknowledgments of a 1996 book, “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild, who was thanking another academic.

kanting 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 14:47 我没查。她的英文肯定没问题，土生的美国人，美国留学生第二代。大约年底12月20日左右以为普林斯顿的哈佛校长同行当面告诉我说有了哈佛校长大段逐句抄袭的证据，从学术角度讲是铁证，她肯定不行了，保不住。这位朋友原先还是为哈佛校长辩护说情的。普林斯顿没有法学院但有这位校长的专业政治学习，而且普林斯顿的政治学系还是仅次于数学系、哲学系等最好的系之一。我猜这位朋友拿到抄袭材料这么早，可能是哈佛校方在请资深同行专家做鉴定写下对这些抄袭的判断意见。

wh. 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 14:42 她有没有为那些论文里大致照抄的词句道过歉？这个是硬伤啊，即使她再怎么自辩有scholarly rigor，还是得为这些虽然不伤筋骨、但明显是抄袭的词句道歉啊，否则会更让人攻击。
哈佛董事会的公告也出来了吗？这新年过得太不安生了

Saysay1 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 15:05 就事论事，抄袭 难道不应该辞职吗？

如果她不是黑女，早就滚蛋了。
当然如果她不是黑女，也当不了校长。

恶心的是美国搞肤色正确，性别正确这一套。

从中国过来的很多学生，的确不把抄袭太当回事。我刚到美国时有一次做作业抄了书上一句话来答题，被教授严厉指出这是抄袭，应该给出引用出处，下次再犯就记0分，当时觉得无地自容，印象深刻啊。

Saysay1 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 16:53 左派认为：
1.学术抄袭不算啥（因为他们自己也抄？）
2. 盖伊当校长不是因为肤色
3. 盖伊被迫辞职是种族主义偏见

wh. 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 14:28 找了一下新闻，她抄袭的不是思想创意，好像都是例行公事用语？她是英语不好吗？这太亏了。也有人说当时的学术规范不像现在那么严格。我以前大学也有个老师被调查，国内八十年代也确实学术不够规范。后来被人揭发的往往是风头比较劲、得罪了一大波人的学者。当时学校是保住了这位老师的，老师是很有才，学术成果卓越。当年论文没有严谨标出所有引用，有欠缺，但不影响学术成果。不过那次风波对他打击很大。不太清楚哈佛校长是不是也类似。不过照说美国90年代对学术引用已经要求得相当严格了。她可能做事比较粗，觉得致谢语什么的随便搬用无妨……

还没看到学校董事会发的公告，估计会说校长提出辞职，董事会接受吧？解职好像会影响pension，一般老师都选择辞职。希望不会太影响她的学术生涯；为了几句公事用语而断送学术太可惜了。

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/h ... arism.html
Harvard’s President Faces New Plagiarism Accusations
...
Some academics have said that Dr. Gay’s alleged offenses may reflect practices that were widespread in academia at the time of publication but have been tightened up since the advent of online plagiarism-detecting software.

She has not been accused of stealing big ideas, but rather of copying language in the papers of other scholars, with small changes to substitute words or phrases or to arrange them differently. Often the language in question is technical boilerplate.

In a typical example, the new complaint accurately quotes Dr. Gay’s 1997 dissertation, “Taking Charge: Black Electoral Success and the Redefinition of American Politics”: “The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters for precinct i is derived by the slice it’s tomography line cuts out of this bivariate distribution.”

The complaint quotes a similar line from Gary King, a Harvard political scientist, who was her thesis adviser and whom she credits in her acknowledgments: “The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters within the bounds indicated by its tomography line is derived by the slice it cuts out of the bivariate distribution of all lines.”

...

The accuser goes on to wonder why Harvard was so intent on exposing him or her: “Did Gay wish to personally thank me for helping her to improve her work even if I drove her harder than she wanted to be driven?”

The sentence is an allusion to a phrase in the acknowledgments of Dr. Gay’s 1997 dissertation, where she says that her family “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

It is one of the phrases she is accused of copying, from the acknowledgments of a 1996 book, “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild, who was thanking another academic.

wh. 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 16:14 是，我读研时我们一个外教也说我们的引用都不严格，谆谆教导我们要是在美国会被告剽窃的，即使一两个词也不要怕麻烦，一定要用引号，要写source。还说这和中文的典故不同，古诗文引用典故讲究不着一字，尽得风流；但学术论文切忌风流 我也印象很深，很汗颜。

不过抄袭还是有程度和质量区别的。你看她被爆的抄袭的字句，基本是我写一句叩谢saysay1，她抄一句拜谢vladputin。或者我写切一片蛋糕，她抄切一块蛋糕。不影响主题，但确实是抄了。哈佛第一次调查报告说是“...found multiple instances of improper citation, though the review concluded the errors did not amount to research misconduct."(https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023 ... extension/)

Crimson校报上还有个更详细地对比抄袭文字的新闻，拉到当中看红蓝highlight的对比：
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023 ... sertation/
被抄的人和哈佛调查委员会口径一致，要么觉得不算剽窃：
“Bobo, King, and Gilliam all said they did not feel Gay plagiarized their work.”
要么觉得技术上是剽窃，但无足轻重：
”Voss ... said the work was “technically plagiarism,” but described it as “minor-to-inconsequential.”

而主控她的人说话真是难听，也毫不讳言挑事的动机：
"In a post on X Sunday night, right-wing activist Christopher F. Rufo said he and journalist Christopher Brunet intentionally released the story amid calls for Gay’s ouster as Harvard’s governing boards met to discuss the controversy surrounding her testimony.

“@RealChrisBrunet and I sat on the Claudine Gay plagiarism materials for the past week, waiting for the precise moment of maximum impact,” Rufo wrote. “The Harvard board is meeting tonight and there are rumors that the plagiarism scandal could be the final nail in Gay's coffin.”"

他们也确实有犹太大财主支持：
"The claim was amplified by Bill A. Ackman ’88, a hedge fund CEO who has been a vocal critic of Gay and has called for her resignation."

Bill Ackman是Ashkenazi Jewish descent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ackman)，给哈佛捐款数千万：
https://newrepublic.com/article/177598/ ... ond-market
"Ackman, age 57, is worth a reported $3.9 billion, and he's given Harvard tens of millions over the years, including $25 million in 2014. He has nearly one million followers on X."

校长确有把柄，再加上政治因素火上浇油，就把事情搞大了。她捍卫自己的scholarly rigor，大概因为如果道歉，就没法在学术圈里混了？

RJZN 写了： 2024年 1月 2日 20:47 https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-p ... lagiarism/

Though Harvard's governing board, the Harvard Corporation, said in mid-December that it had reviewed Gay’s published oeuvre and found several cases of "inadequate citation," it did not identify any of the examples described in the new complaint, which was submitted to the school’s research integrity officer, Stacey Springs, and obtained by the Free Beacon.

The discrepancy raises troubling questions not just about the scope of Gay’s plagiarism, which appears to afflict half of her published works, but also the thoroughness and seriousness of the Corporation’s probe, which the board described as "an independent review by distinguished political scientists."

The review was completed in just a few weeks—far less time than the 6 to 12 months typical of other plagiarism investigations—and the Corporation has refused to disclose the names of the academics who conducted it. A Harvard spokesman, Jonathan Swain, did not respond to a request for comment about whether the school has reviewed all of Gay’s work, and, if so, how it missed the examples unearthed on Monday.

"The board’s review of Gay’s work was too brief to inspire confidence," the complaint reads. "So we now know for certain that the board’s investigation was a sham."