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「车顶维权」女车主胜诉，特斯拉须提供事完整行车数据，怎样从法律角度解读？拿到行车数据有多重要？
红星资本局9月16日消息 今日，红星资本局从特斯拉（http://TSLA.US）车顶维权车主张女士处获悉，北京市大兴区人民法院就张女士诉特斯拉汽车销售服务（北京）有限公司等买卖合同纠纷一案作出一审判决：责令其在本判决生效十日内，向张女士提供事故前三十分钟的完整行车数据。

此外，张女士还提出其他两项诉讼请求：判令被告承担因其车辆缺陷给原告造成的经济损失人民币2万元(暂定)，判令被告承担本案诉讼费用，均被驳回。

2021年4月，张女士在上海车展特斯拉展台维权。图源：视觉中国

法院认定，涉案车辆系智能网联汽车，出现交通事故后，不同于以往的传统汽车，在事故成因上仅需考虑车辆硬件的实时性能即可，智能网联汽车在行驶过程中产生的行车数据对于事故成因分析愈发重要，行车数据对于消费者而言，其重要性和客观需求愈发凸显。

张女士要求提供事故前三十分钟的行车数据，有助于辅助其全面分析涉案车辆该时间段内的整体情况，应当认定为消费者知情权范畴，具备合理性和必要性。

太好了！

G妞,这件事情的原委是事故发生后特斯拉曾经主动提供数据被车主指责泄露隐私，此后特斯拉更变程序：非法庭判决，特斯拉不提供后台数据。
而这女的赔款500万给特斯拉，一分都没有少。

off 写了： 2025年 9月 18日 23:25

G妞,这件事情的原委是事故发生后特斯拉曾经主动提供数据被车主指责泄露隐私，此后特斯拉更变程序：非法庭判决，特斯拉不提供后台数据。
而这女的赔款500万给特斯拉，一分都没有少。

扯吧，特斯拉泄露数据那事和事故毫无关系，纯粹是特斯拉道德败坏不拿用户隐私当回事。

geniushanbiao 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 00:38

扯吧，特斯拉泄露数据那事和事故毫无关系，纯粹是特斯拉道德败坏不拿用户隐私当回事。

如果你错了，你会承认吗？

算了，你认错会违反你的职业道德。

围观的兄弟自行判断吧。

股票要跌？

off 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 11:02

算了，你认错会违反你的职业道德。

围观的兄弟自行判断吧。

判断啥？你这也说明不了问题啊。特斯拉现在让用户自己弄EDR这个功能只是在北美开放的，这是特斯拉自己的决定。

Yes, the official Tesla EDR program and its tools are primarily for vehicles configured for the North American market region. While EDR data can be retrieved for vehicles outside of North America, the software and tools from Crash Data Group are only available for purchase and use within North America and Europe for vehicles sold in those regions. For other regions, specialized services or reverse-engineered solutions may be available, but these are separate from Tesla's official program.
Official Tesla EDR (North America & Europe)
Target Market: The Tesla EDR Retrieval Program and Report Service are specifically for vehicles configured for the North American market. The program also extends to Europe.
Software and Tools: The official Tesla EDR Kit and software are primarily distributed and available for purchase in North America and Europe through authorized distributors like Crash Data Group.
Data Validation: Report elements from the official program are validated for North American vehicles and may not be accurate for vehicles configured for other regions.
International Options
asDARTS: For customers in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East, and Africa) region, the Tesla EDR Kit is available through asDARTS.
EDR-EU.tesla.com: EMEA customers can use this site to download the Tesla EDR Software and generate reports for the European market.
Reverse Engineering: In regions like the Netherlands, organizations like the Dutch NFI have reverse-engineered Tesla's vehicle logs and data, providing a separate method to access information for non-North American vehicles.

这个需要opt in, 大部分大妈司机哪里知道这些？

现在看欧洲是不是立法要求特斯拉必须为事故调查提供数据、至少所有使用FSD 的车子应该 atomically trigger EDR

geniushanbiao 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 11:25

判断啥？你这也说明不了问题啊。特斯拉现在让用户自己弄EDR这个功能只是在北美开放的，这是特斯拉自己的决定。

Yes, the official Tesla EDR program and its tools are primarily for vehicles configured for the North American market region. While EDR data can be retrieved for vehicles outside of North America, the software and tools from Crash Data Group are only available for purchase and use within North America and Europe for vehicles sold in those regions. For other regions, specialized services or reverse-engineered solutions may be available, but these are separate from Tesla's official program.
Official Tesla EDR (North America & Europe)
Target Market: The Tesla EDR Retrieval Program and Report Service are specifically for vehicles configured for the North American market. The program also extends to Europe.
Software and Tools: The official Tesla EDR Kit and software are primarily distributed and available for purchase in North America and Europe through authorized distributors like Crash Data Group.
Data Validation: Report elements from the official program are validated for North American vehicles and may not be accurate for vehicles configured for other regions.
International Options
asDARTS: For customers in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East, and Africa) region, the Tesla EDR Kit is available through asDARTS.
EDR-EU.tesla.com: EMEA customers can use this site to download the Tesla EDR Software and generate reports for the European market.
Reverse Engineering: In regions like the Netherlands, organizations like the Dutch NFI have reverse-engineered Tesla's vehicle logs and data, providing a separate method to access information for non-North American vehicles.

geniushanbiao 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 11:25

判断啥？你这也说明不了问题啊。特斯拉现在让用户自己弄EDR这个功能只是在北美开放的，这是特斯拉自己的决定。

Yes, the official Tesla EDR program and its tools are primarily for vehicles configured for the North American market region. While EDR data can be retrieved for vehicles outside of North America, the software and tools from Crash Data Group are only available for purchase and use within North America and Europe for vehicles sold in those regions. For other regions, specialized services or reverse-engineered solutions may be available, but these are separate from Tesla's official program.
Official Tesla EDR (North America & Europe)
Target Market: The Tesla EDR Retrieval Program and Report Service are specifically for vehicles configured for the North American market. The program also extends to Europe.
Software and Tools: The official Tesla EDR Kit and software are primarily distributed and available for purchase in North America and Europe through authorized distributors like Crash Data Group.
Data Validation: Report elements from the official program are validated for North American vehicles and may not be accurate for vehicles configured for other regions.
International Options
asDARTS: For customers in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East, and Africa) region, the Tesla EDR Kit is available through asDARTS.
EDR-EU.tesla.com: EMEA customers can use this site to download the Tesla EDR Software and generate reports for the European market.
Reverse Engineering: In regions like the Netherlands, organizations like the Dutch NFI have reverse-engineered Tesla's vehicle logs and data, providing a separate method to access information for non-North American vehicles.

你看你又犟了吧？
白纸黑字你也能睁眼说瞎话？
你不要老被人预判到胡搅蛮缠啊。

ccmath 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 13:56

这个需要opt in, 大部分大妈司机哪里知道这些？

现在看欧洲是不是立法要求特斯拉必须为事故调查提供数据、至少所有使用FSD 的车子应该 atomically trigger EDR

G妞的长篇大论写的明明白白edr available in Europe， 你不看完就引用？？

晕哦！

傻叉特斯拉 没有之一

off 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 15:53

G妞的长篇大论写的明明白白edr available in Europe， 你不看完就引用？？

晕哦！

自己理解能力有问题就别来丢人现眼了。人家写的明明白白，launch的时候只是North America，后来Europe加进来了但是相当于试点，世界上其他任何地方都没有。中国那个完全是因为court order要求他们提供结果没办法了。

asDARTS: For customers in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East, and Africa) region, the Tesla EDR Kit is available through asDARTS.
EDR-EU.tesla.com: EMEA customers can use this site to download the Tesla EDR Software and generate reports for the European market.
Reverse Engineering: In regions like the Netherlands, organizations like the Dutch NFI have reverse-engineered Tesla's vehicle logs and data, providing a separate method to access information for non-North American vehicles.

Tesla's Event Data Recorder (EDR) is available for vehicles in China, compliant with national regulations that specify data types and formats for accident analysis. While Tesla previously offered a full EDR retrieval kit, current access likely involves authorized service methods or specific tools to retrieve data compliant with Chinese national standard GB39732. Data from Chinese vehicles must be stored locally in China, and while regulations are evolving, any transfer of this data outside the country is subject to strict government oversight

geniushanbiao 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 16:22

自己理解能力有问题就别来丢人现眼了。人家写的明明白白，launch的时候只是North America，后来Europe加进来了但是相当于试点，世界上其他任何地方都没有。中国那个完全是因为court order要求他们提供结果没办法了。

3k兄不胡搅蛮缠，那就不是3k兄了。哈哈

off 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 15:47

你看你又犟了吧？
白纸黑字你也能睁眼说瞎话？
你不要老被人预判到胡搅蛮缠啊。

BEIJING, May 25 (Reuters) - U.S. electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc (TSLA.O), opens new tab said on Tuesday it had established a site in China to store car data locally, as automakers come under growing scrutiny over how they handle information collected by vehicle cameras and sensors.
Tesla said in a Weibo post that data generated by all cars it sells in China, where it is making Model 3 sedans and Model Y sport-utility vehicles, would be stored in the country.

Last week, Tesla vice president Grace Tao, along with executives at Baidu Inc (9888.HK), opens new tab and Alibaba (9988.HK), opens new tab, attended a policy discussion held by a Chinese think-tank on data security.
Tesla is developing a platform for car owners in China that will allow them to access data generated by their vehicles. It is also boosting its engagement with mainland regulators and beefing up its government relations team, sources told Reuters

ignius 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 16:37

asDARTS: For customers in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East, and Africa) region, the Tesla EDR Kit is available through asDARTS.
EDR-EU.tesla.com: EMEA customers can use this site to download the Tesla EDR Software and generate reports for the European market.
Reverse Engineering: In regions like the Netherlands, organizations like the Dutch NFI have reverse-engineered Tesla's vehicle logs and data, providing a separate method to access information for non-North American vehicles.

Tesla's Event Data Recorder (EDR) is available for vehicles in China, compliant with national regulations that specify data types and formats for accident analysis. While Tesla previously offered a full EDR retrieval kit, current access likely involves authorized service methods or specific tools to retrieve data compliant with Chinese national standard GB39732. Data from Chinese vehicles must be stored locally in China, and while regulations are evolving, any transfer of this data outside the country is subject to strict government oversight

asDARTS只是一个available option，并不是Tesla official的program。你看看我贴的那段话最后，还有些reverse engineering的options呢

Tesla official的EDR program现在还只是在北美和欧洲能用。

https://electrek.co/2025/09/17/tesla-hi ... accidents/ 即使公开也是遮遮掩掩

geniushanbiao 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 16:22

自己理解能力有问题就别来丢人现眼了。人家写的明明白白，launch的时候只是North America，后来Europe加进来了但是相当于试点，世界上其他任何地方都没有。中国那个完全是因为court order要求他们提供结果没办法了。

哦，你也承认后台数据在中国北美欧洲可以合法拿到，甚至主动拿到无须通过特斯拉。
请问，谴责特斯拉封锁数据指控成立还是不成立？

ignius 写了： 2025年 9月 19日 16:43

BEIJING, May 25 (Reuters) - U.S. electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc (TSLA.O), opens new tab said on Tuesday it had established a site in China to store car data locally, as automakers come under growing scrutiny over how they handle information collected by vehicle cameras and sensors.
Tesla said in a Weibo post that data generated by all cars it sells in China, where it is making Model 3 sedans and Model Y sport-utility vehicles, would be stored in the country.

Last week, Tesla vice president Grace Tao, along with executives at Baidu Inc (9888.HK), opens new tab and Alibaba (9988.HK), opens new tab, attended a policy discussion held by a Chinese think-tank on data security.
Tesla is developing a platform for car owners in China that will allow them to access data generated by their vehicles. It is also boosting its engagement with mainland regulators and beefing up its government relations team, sources told Reuters

一言难尽，整个事情国内车厂的私利裹挟民族主义，手段太下作了。

19年开始国内大量舆论引导特斯拉刹车失灵，车顶上拉横幅的，加速到200不刹车的
沙子路面刹不住的，自流平车库撞墙的..一波又一波舆论。

特斯拉焦头烂额，主动公布行车数据自证清白，舆论指责公布数据是泄漏隐私国家安全受到威胁，那段时间大大小小的单位停车场禁止特斯拉进入。

特斯拉被逼到墙角：国内行车数据留在国内；行车数据必须有法庭order才能提供

现在，特黑又开始谴责特斯拉不主动公布数据是隐藏数据躲避责任。
卧槽！ 特黑们真踏马高！