这是以巴冲突前做的，所以跟巴以无关
1。不是因为聚聚变好了，是因为周白更臭了。
2。周白掉了主要是因为年轻黑人和默默对他越来越不喜欢；这些人很多不会仅仅是不投周白，而是直接声明支持聚聚
3。大多数人，认为周白的经济搞的差，同样这些人认为如果聚聚在台上，经济会更好。
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Michael Barbaro
From The New York Times, I’m Michael Barbaro. This is “The Daily.”
Today, a major new campaign poll from The Times conducted in the swing states that may determine the 2024 presidential race show that Donald Trump is now leading President Biden almost across the board.
My colleague Nate Cohen says the results are less a reflection of Trump’s growing strength than they are of Biden’s growing weaknesses.
It’s Monday, November 6.
Nate, nice to have you in the studio.
Nate Cohen
Michael, always a pleasure.
Michael Barbaro
Nate, when this episode publishes on Monday, we will be pretty much precisely a year out from the general election of the 2024 presidential race.
Nate Cohen
Just under one year.
Michael Barbaro
And that is why this poll is beautifully timed. So tell us about the scope of this latest installment of the New York Times political polling operation.
Nate Cohen
We conducted polls of the six states that we think are likeliest to decide the presidency.
Michael Barbaro
The swing states.
Nate Cohen
The swing states.
Michael Barbaro
Can you just name them?
Nate Cohen
Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada. Five of those six states flipped from Donald Trump in 2016 to Joe Biden in 2020 and decided the election in the president’s favor.
Michael Barbaro
And they just, to say for listeners who may be wondering, because of the timing of this poll, the results you’re about to walk us through don’t capture the impact of the war between Israel and Hamas, don’t measure something like the effect of President Biden’s strong support for Israel on voters. In these swing states, that’s something we’re going to have to keep watching over time. It’s not in this poll.
Nate Cohen
Exactly.
Michael Barbaro
OK. So what exactly did this battleground poll of these six essential states find top line?
Nate Cohen
Top line Trump lead in five of the six states. Joe Biden only led in Wisconsin. And if you take all the polls together, Trump led by an average of four percentage points, 48 percent to 44 percent.
Michael Barbaro
And because everyone’s always curious about this, when we think about margin of error, is that a big deal? It seems like a big deal.
Nate Cohen
Yeah, that’s a Trump lead outside of the margin of error given the hefty sample that we have with all of these polls taken together.
Michael Barbaro
So this poll finds that in all the states that are very likely to be responsible for determining who the next president is, Trump has a meaningful lead a year out.
Nate Cohen
Modest, but meaningful.
Michael Barbaro
OK. What does this poll reveal about why former President Donald Trump is so ascendant in so many of these states in this moment?
Nate Cohen
Well, I think the poll reveals that it’s probably best to flip that formulation around.
Michael Barbaro
Define that.
Nate Cohen
Donald Trump is just as weak as he was four years ago by the numbers, but Joe Biden has gone from being a strong candidate, candidate we used to talk about as being the electability candidate, to being a badly damaged candidate who voters think is too old to be president, who voters think hasn’t done a good job on the economy, and who voters no longer view favorably as they did four years ago.
Michael Barbaro
So let’s go through these one by one. They’re all important, starting with age.
Nate Cohen
I mean, the poll shows that voters overwhelmingly believe that Joe Biden is too old to be president. More than 70 percent of voters in our poll agree that Joe Biden is too old to be an effective president. And it’s worth noting we asked this exact same question in these same states three years ago ahead of the last election. And back then, only 30 percent of voters said Biden was just too old.
Michael Barbaro
Wow, that’s a huge swing.
Nate Cohen
It’s a huge swing and it’s the kind of swing we don’t see very often in our polarized country.
Michael Barbaro
Right. And to state the obvious, the fact that so many more voters now perceive him to be old means that they think he has deteriorated.
Nate Cohen
And they’ve seen a lot of him over the last three years too to potentially inform that view. He does have stumbles. He does sometimes trip. There are videos of it on social media all the time, fairly or unfairly. Voters have bit by bit come to the view that he’s just older than they’re willing to tolerate.
Michael Barbaro
And when it comes to age, I have to imagine you ask the same question about Trump who’s pretty similar to Biden’s age. How did voters feel about that?
Nate Cohen
Well, voters do not think that Donald Trump is too old to be president. But interestingly enough, the amount of voters who say Trump is too old today is now higher than the number who thought Biden was too old three years ago when they happened to be the same age. So voters may be handling this consistently.
Michael Barbaro
And maybe Americans have a very complicated relationship to the question of age.
Nate Cohen
Also fair.
Michael Barbaro
But no matter how you cut it, this is a problem, meaningfully, statistically in the poll for Joe Biden. This is not just a question hovering in the air that people talk about. It’s a thing that’s showing up in the poll.
Nate Cohen
Absolutely.
Michael Barbaro
So that’s age. Which of Biden’s problems should we focus on next?
Nate Cohen
Potentially related to age is a whole list of problems related to how voters think about Joe Biden as a person. Voters have gone from having a favorable view of Joe Biden to an unfavorable view. They’ve gone from thinking he has a good personality and temperament to not thinking he has the personality and temperament to be a good president. They have doubts about Hunter Biden. About half of voters believe that Joe Biden profited from Hunter Biden’s dealings abroad.
Michael Barbaro
Even though there’s no evidence.
Nate Cohen
Even though there’s no evidence of that. I mean, if you step back and take all of these questions together, four years ago, a majority of voters liked Joe Biden, thought he was acceptable, and they didn’t like Donald Trump. They didn’t like his conduct. They didn’t like him as a person. Four years later, they don’t like either of these guys. So Joe Biden has lost this advantage that he used to have —
Michael Barbaro
Interesting.
Nate Cohen
— over Donald Trump. Donald Trump’s not stronger. In fact, on many of our questions, he’s weaker himself, but that advantage that was really central to Joe Biden’s ability to win the election is not here in our poll right now.
Michael Barbaro
You can imagine this might be confusing to some of our listeners given that Donald Trump faces the avalanche of criminal charges and indictments that he does, that Joe Biden, who faces no indictments and no charges, would be suffering from the perception of problematic character or the behavior of his son given what’s happening to Trump.
Nate Cohen
It is surprising. Voters do think that Donald Trump is guilty of federal crimes and they don’t like him either. His ratings are also down again from three years ago. There’s nothing about how bad Donald Trump is that necessitates that voters today like Joe Biden even if maybe if we press them on it, they’ll go ahead and concede that the allegations against Trump are worse.
Michael Barbaro
Right. So you’re saying, don’t do the incorrect simple calculation that Donald Trump’s problems, his legal problems, result in Joe Biden having favorable views among voters on any of these issues. That’s just not how it works.
Nate Cohen
No, voters —
Michael Barbaro
Subtraction from one doesn’t become addition for the other.
Nate Cohen
Voters aren’t going to judge Biden on a curve against Donald Trump who faces countless criminal indictments.
Michael Barbaro
Right, but simply, voters don’t compare the two candidates in this poll. They are making judgments on each of them individually.
Nate Cohen
Absolutely.
Michael Barbaro
OK. I think that brings us to the economy. We’ve talked a lot on the show about the fact that most Americans don’t approve of Biden’s handling of the economy, even though, in many respects, the economy is doing pretty well. So does the poll deepen that understanding?
Nate Cohen
Well, it reveals yet again that voters do not think the economy is doing well, whatever you think of the macroeconomic statistics. It also shows that voters pretty plainly blame Joe Biden for that. They say that his policies have hurt them personally. It also shows that voters think that Donald Trump would do a much better job handling the economy.
Michael Barbaro
How do you think about that?
Nate Cohen
— than Joe Biden.
Michael Barbaro
And what do the voters tell us?
Nate Cohen
Well, it’s also worth noting that the voters believe that Donald Trump’s policies helped them personally, which was something that was true in our 2020 polling interestingly as well, the same dynamic where voters doubted that Biden was going to do anything for them, believe that Donald Trump would or did. That’s not something that’s changed. What seems to have changed, though, is that as the economic picture has worsened to their minds during Biden’s presidency, that difference has become all the more important to them.
And may also be worth noting under this broad umbrella of the economy is that voters have a very pessimistic view of the state of the country more generally. And Joe Biden ran four years ago on the promise that he would return the country to normalcy. And I don’t think that’s the way voters see it. They still overwhelmingly believe that the country is headed off in the wrong direction. And as long as that’s true, an incumbent president is going to face some challenges in persuading voters to give them a second term.
Michael Barbaro
Which of these three broad areas that we have just talked about do you think the poll shows to be the most important and, potentially, therefore is dragging Biden down the most?
Nate Cohen
To be entirely honest, I think it is really hard to tell which of these three issues is most important in no small part because almost all of the voters who are hurting Biden believe all of these things.
Michael Barbaro
Fascinating.
Nate Cohen
So how do you really tell which is most important if everyone believes it. One thing I can say is the share of voters who say the economy is most important has gone up a lot over the last year in these same states where we did our Senate polling last fall. So compared to last fall, voters care more about the economy — a serious weakness for Joe Biden.
Michael Barbaro
So all in all, what we’re looking at here, just to summarize the ground we’ve covered, is pretty broad disapproval of President Biden, both on a personal and a policy level, and Trump support neither really rising nor falling but kind of just hovering in the same place it was the last time he ran for president. And all of that shakes out into a pretty meaningful advantage for Trump, disadvantage for Biden in these swing states.
Nate Cohen
In these swing states right now with a long ways to go.
Michael Barbaro
OK. We’ll return to the long ways to go in just a little bit. Now you said all of this is an across the board problem for Biden, but I wonder where you’re seeing it most acutely, in which group or groups of voters.
Nate Cohen
You’re absolutely right that these problems that Joe Biden faces are very broad and yet they have manifested very narrowly among just a few demographic groups.
Michael Barbaro
Which ones?
Nate Cohen
Young voters, Black voters, and Latino voters.
Michael Barbaro
What exactly are we seeing among these three categories of voters?
Nate Cohen
Well, we’re seeing levels of support for Donald Trump that would have been unimaginable just a few years ago. In 2020, Joe Biden won young voters by more than 20 points. Now the race is essentially tied among young voters in the polling.
Michael Barbaro
Wow.
Nate Cohen
Biden won more than 90 percent of Black voters in 2020.
Michael Barbaro
It was huge part of his victory.
Nate Cohen
Absolutely. And now he’s around 70 percent. And not only are those voters sort of undecided, Donald Trump is currently polling around 20 percent of Black voters in these polls.
Michael Barbaro
So this poll finds that Black voters are not just kind of fleeing Biden, they are running directly —
Nate Cohen
They’re willing to tell the pollster Trump, which is not something that I’ve seen before. And then among Latino voters, there’s a similar decline there as well. Biden won more than 60 percent of the Hispanic vote in these states in 2020 and now he’s barely winning at all.
Michael Barbaro
Barely winning at all with Latino voters.
Nate Cohen
Single digit lead.
Michael Barbaro
Potentially, according to this poll in these states, could lose Latino votes.
Nate Cohen
Not out of the question, but he does lead the Latino vote in these states to be clear.
Michael Barbaro
Those do feel like potentially historic swings among a longtime foundation of the Democratic Party: young voters, Black voters, Latino voters. And we’ve talked about this trend a little bit, especially among Black and Latino voters, but my sense, my recollection from talking to you is that this has been a kind of a slow kind of creeping problem for the Democratic Party. What you’re describing here feels much more potentially seismic.
Nate Cohen
Yeah, it feels like over the last decade or so that we’ve seen these signs of softness and weakness for the Democrats. And this is really the first time that it feels like you see something like a break in the polling. Now it’s not an election result yet and there’s a long time, but if these polling results were right, it would represent a pretty fundamental change in American electoral politics.
Michael Barbaro
Nate, does the poll get at why this might be the case, why this shift might seem so seismic in this poll? There have been all kinds of theories. We’ve talked about them on the show about why this shift has been happening kind of on a slow basis. But because it’s happening on such a potentially big one right now, I wonder what the poll tells us about the why.
Nate Cohen
So it’s a really hard question. As I mentioned, because all of these voters believe all of these various negative things about Joe Biden, it’s very hard to tell which of these things is really the one thing that matters more than anything else, if it’s even true that one of those things matters more than anything else. What I do think the poll suggests is that the problems are more about Joe Biden and the economy than about the Democrats in general or ideology.
One set of questions that we ask that really shapes my thinking on this is that we didn’t only ask voters whether they preferred Joe Biden to Donald Trump. We also asked whether they would prefer a hypothetical unnamed Democrat to Donald Trump if Joe Biden didn’t run and we also asked how they would vote in a hypothetical match up between Kamala Harris, the vice president, and Donald Trump.
Michael Barbaro
Interesting.
Nate Cohen
And both the generic Democrat and Kamala Harris fare better than Joe Biden overall.
Michael Barbaro
That’s fascinating.
Nate Cohen
And they in particular fare better than Joe Biden among the sort of young Black and Hispanic voters that we’re talking about. And in fact, this is kind of crazy, but if Joe Biden merely won over voters who support Kamala Harris over Donald Trump but that who do not currently support Joe Biden, all of Joe Biden’s problems among young, Black, and Latino voters go away.
Michael Barbaro
What that really seems to say is that this is a Joe Biden problem, especially among these groups of voters we just talked about. And this would seem to add fuel to the pretty widespread complaint among some Democrats that there should have been a real primary this year, that it should not have just been a coronation of Joe Biden, that there should have been an open primary, the calendar shouldn’t have been changed to benefit Joe Biden as it was by the Democratic party, that just saying Joe Biden again, given the issues we’re talking about here, didn’t necessarily seem like such a good idea.
Nate Cohen
This is absolutely going to add fuel to those Democratic concerns about whether Joe Biden is the right candidate to be the party’s nominee next year. It doesn’t show that he can’t win. He still has very real paths to win, paths that for many Democrats could be pretty straightforward, but I do think the poll shows that it will be more challenging for Joe Biden to win this election than it probably ought to be given that he’s an incumbent, given how unpopular his opponent is, and given that he beat the same person last time.
Michael Barbaro
We’ll be right back.
Nate, you just suggested that this poll reveals some real challenges for President Biden heading into the 2024 election, but that there are also real paths for victory. We’re going to discuss both of those. I want to start with how state by state, since this is a poll of six battleground states, what we have just learned could translate into a loss for Biden against Trump. So just explain that.
Nate Cohen
Well, as we’ve mentioned, the poll shows Biden with this weakness among young, Black, and Hispanic voters. And as a consequence, the results by state follow a very predictable and straightforward pattern where Joe Biden suffers the largest losses in relatively diverse and young states. Nevada and Georgia, two states where nearly half of the electorate will be nonwhite, are states where Joe Biden is badly underperforming.
Michael Barbaro
And he won those two states last time and they were essential to his electoral college victory.
Nate Cohen
Exactly. And it’s hurting him enough for him to be trailing in less diverse states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, which are predominantly white but where Democrats still absolutely depend on support in places like Philadelphia and Detroit.
Michael Barbaro
Which have large populations of Black and Latino voters.
Nate Cohen
Exactly. And right now, he trails in those states because he’s faring so poorly among those core Democratic constituencies. So if you’re the Biden campaign, you look at this and you say, if I can re-energize my support among young, Black, and Latino voters, I’m going to rapidly make gains in these sunbelt states and hopefully I can get myself just over the top in these more traditional battleground states, like Michigan and Pennsylvania.
Michael Barbaro
And how would, if you’re the Biden campaign, and I imagine they are having this very conversation, would you do that?
Nate Cohen
Oddly enough, I think recent re-election campaigns offer a pretty good playbook here. In both 2004 and 2012, Barack Obama and George W. Bush stared down the prospect that their bases weren’t going to be sufficiently mobilized. And so they ran a polarizing campaign on the issues that defined their party to try and re-energize people who ought to have been their core supporters and bring them home. For example, what George W. Bush did in 2004 was he campaigned on gay marriage and gun rights to try and remobilize and re-energize his support among evangelical and rural conservative voters.
Michael Barbaro
Right. I remember it well. Bush literally worked to put bans on gay marriage on the ballot in as many states as he could knowing that it would bring out Christian conservative voters. It did.
Nate Cohen
It did.
Michael Barbaro
And gay marriage got banned in those states as well.
Nate Cohen
It did. And Democrats, you can imagine doing something very similar in this election on an issue like abortion. In fact, in some ways, this is the playbook that Democrats used in the midterms last year. Now I should say, I’m not 100 percent convinced that a rerun of the Democratic midterm playbook will yield the same result that Democrats got in the midterm last year in these states.
Michael Barbaro
Why not?
Nate Cohen
This is a less ideological group of voters that we’re talking about now. We’re almost, by definition, talking about people who did not vote in the midterm last year. The sort of Black and Latino voter who was motivated by democracy and abortion last fall is someone who’s still supporting Biden in our polling today. The kind of voter who has left Joe Biden is the sort of person who wasn’t motivated by these issues to turn out and vote last fall.
Michael Barbaro
Fascinating.
Nate Cohen
Now you can imagine two interpretations here. One is that these people would never pay attention to a midterm. But if they heard the same thing, they would be energized by it, in which case, maybe the same playbook on a higher, louder, with more media attention in a race they know about will succeed in doing the same thing.
Or alternately, they did hear the message, they weren’t motivated by it, they care about the economy, and that particular one is not going to work. So both of those things are possible, but definitely things like this are in the playbook. What are the things that Joe Biden can talk about that young, Black, and Latino voters like that you don’t believe will alienate your more solid support of white moderate voters?
Michael Barbaro
That’s a challenging question for Biden to figure out.
Nate Cohen
It is a challenging question, but it’s also not the worst problem that you could have. We’re talking about trying to win back traditional Democratic voters, including voters who are still open to voting for someone like Kamala Harris or our unnamed generic Democrat. This shouldn’t be that hard to do.
Michael Barbaro
But in the scenario where Biden can’t find that issue to bring these voters back to him in the Democratic Party, does he lose?
Nate Cohen
Not necessarily. I think he still would have won narrow but clear path to win the three predominantly white Midwestern battleground states: Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Biden is relatively close in these states. And in fact, he holds a lead in Wisconsin. And interestingly, among likely voters, he pulls into the lead in Michigan, which reflects that so many of the voters who are dissatisfied by Trump are voters on the periphery of politics who Trump can’t necessarily count on even though he earns their support in our polling.
So if you’re the Biden campaign and you just can’t remobilize the same level of support that you had among young, Black, Latino voters, you can still hope to do just well enough among the older white voters who represent Joe Biden’s strength to muscle out a narrow win in these states, especially since these are among the likeliest voters in the electorate.
Michael Barbaro
And what does he have to do to make sure his appeal among those voters remains as strong as possible?
Nate Cohen
This is the group where I think the abortion and democracy path that they ran in the midterm last year gets Biden the farthest. Whether it actually gets him over the top or not, I don’t know, but I think that these kinds of voters are exactly the kinds of relatively moderate voters who flipped to Joe Biden because they don’t like Donald Trump. And you just reinforce those reasons and I think that have a very credible path to keep them that’s been demonstrated in previous elections under a somewhat similar circumstance.
Michael Barbaro
OK. Let’s turn to Trump and how he capitalizes on the advantages that he clearly has based on the poll of these six states.
Nate Cohen
Well, Donald Trump is ahead right now. So you can look at all the reasons you’re leading today and try and reinforce them. And that strikes me as a pretty plausible path. You can imagine him trying to reinforce concerns about Joe Biden’s age and his capacity to handle the job. You dwell on how everything in the world and in the country is a disaster and how if I were president, none of this would have happened. You can try and reach out to Black and Latino voters in a way that maybe you haven’t in previous elections. I’ll note that, I don’t know if you saw this, but do you remember how back in 2015 Donald Trump kicked out Univision from a press conference?
Michael Barbaro
I think I do.
Nate Cohen
He’s going to interview with that same person next week.
Michael Barbaro
Somebody in his campaign told them that would be a good idea.
Nate Cohen
I think someone told them that would be a good idea.
Michael Barbaro
Because it has a huge Latino audience obviously.
Nate Cohen
Because there’s a huge Latino audience obviously, but also this is now his path to victory in a way that wasn’t true four years ago. You have to make sure if you’re the Trump campaign that at the very least, you don’t offend voters in the way you did four years ago. One thing I wish we had in our poll, by the way, is some measure of when’s the last time you were offended by Donald Trump? Because back when Donald Trump was doing poorly among these groups, it was like there was a controversial or racist remark in the news every week, right?
Michael Barbaro
Right.
Nate Cohen
And that hasn’t been true for a while. And I think that can be an important part of why he’s able to make gains among these voting blocs when he hasn’t done so in the past.
Michael Barbaro
You’re raising an interesting possibility that’s just occurring to me as you’re saying this Nate, which is that a Donald Trump who’s a bunch less present in our world, which he is for a variety of reasons, some strategic, some because he spends a lot of his time in a courtroom these days on all these trials, is perhaps a stronger presidential candidate for a number of these groups.
Nate Cohen
Absolutely. And I think that if you step even farther back, it could be the case that Donald Trump’s political messaging and his populist brand of conservatism has had the potential to have very broad appeal to Latino and Black voters the whole time and that he held himself back among these groups.
Michael Barbaro
By being —
Nate Cohen
By intentionally alienating them.
Michael Barbaro
By occasionally insulting them frontally.
Nate Cohen
Exactly. And it’s funny if you think about these elections chronologically. In 2016, he was offensive to both Black and Latino voters and did terribly among both. In 2020, he still campaigned against immigration, but it was no longer the focus of that election — Black Lives Matter, defund the police was. He does way better among Latino voters while still struggling among Black voters. And now we have a political moment where I’m not sure either of these issues are at the core of the campaign in the news right now and now Donald Trump’s doing better among both.
Michael Barbaro
Interesting. What you’re really describing is a potential brand of Trump populism that is more inclusive, it’s less insulting, and it’s a clear path to victory when combined with what could end up being kind of daily assaults on Biden’s weaknesses, his age, voter perceptions of the economy. That could put together an unusually broad coalition in this moment.
Nate Cohen
And one that would represent a real turning point in modern American political history.
Michael Barbaro
Just explain that because the turning point in modern American history, that’s a big phrase.
Nate Cohen
Since the enactment of the Civil Rights Act, our politics have been defined by high levels of racial polarization. They have also usually been defined by a great degree of generational polarization. And the kind of politics that Donald Trump appears to be promoting right now may represent, not a complete elimination of that pattern, but a fairly significant reduction in racial and generational polarization in a way that would clearly distinguish this election from all those we’ve had previously.
And because we’re talking about young and nonwhite voters, voters that are going to represent growing shares of the electorate in the future, I do think we would look back on it as representing a turning point because of the consequences that would have for subsequent contests.
Michael Barbaro
Right. The R word is rolling around in my head. If Donald Trump does what this poll suggests, he might be able to do, especially with young, Black, and Latino voters, that could amount to a realignment between the parties. It would represent a significant change in what the Democrats can think of as a reliable coalition and it would represent a huge victory for Republicans in their ability to have broadened their coalition.
Nate Cohen
I want to reemphasize the word would if this happened. And you just laid out why Biden has a credible way to reassemble a lot of these voters, right, but if these poll results were mirrored in the final election results, this would be a realigning election.
Michael Barbaro
And here’s the part where we have to say, it is one year off and a ton can change. And realignment is a really big word in our politics, but it would be merited if the election were tomorrow, which it’s not.
Nate Cohen
It’s not. I’m so glad you came back to that, but I just want to reinforce it one more time. I mean, this is a dissatisfied, disaffected, disengaged electorate that doesn’t like their choices. These are the textbook conditions for political volatility. It’s also the conditions for political upheaval, right? This is when realigning elections happen. But it’s also the conditions where voters really could flock back to where they were.
Michael Barbaro
Depending on any number of things that happen between now and then.
Nate Cohen
I look at these results and I see the potential for huge changes, whether that’s from the last election result or from these polls to the next.
Michael Barbaro
Well, Nate, thank you very much.
Nate Cohen
Thank you for having me, Michael.
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Michael Barbaro
We’ll be right back.
Here’s what else you need to know today. Hamas officials said that an Israeli airstrike hit a densely populated refugee camp in Central Gaza on Sunday, killing at least 47 people and wounding dozens of others. If confirmed, it would be the second time in a week that Israel has struck a Gazan refugee camp. As Israeli forces advanced on Gaza City, they offered Palestinians a four-hour window to safely flee the area. Israel said it offered a similar window on Saturday, but that Hamas exploited it to attack Israeli troops. And —
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Michael Barbaro
— in Washington, DC, tens of thousands of people gathered for the largest pro-Palestinian protest in the US since the war began. The protesters demanded a ceasefire in the war and the end to US military aid for Israel. Much of the crowd’s anger was directed at the Biden administration, which has expressed strong support for Israel in its campaign against Hamas. In a speech, the leader of a Muslim civil rights group warned Biden that voters would judge him on how he handled the war.
Speaker
And our message is no cease fire, no votes. No ceasefire, no votes. No cease fire, no votes. No cease fire —
Today’s episode was produced by Mooj Zadie and Asthaa Chaturvedi with help from Luke Vander Ploeg. It was edited by Marc Georges and Rachel Quester. Contains original music by Marion Lozano and Rony Mysto, and was engineered by Alyssa Moxley. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Landsverk of Wonderly.
That’s it for “The Daily.” I’m Michael Barbaro. See you tomorrow.
