拥枪权是美国的identity，如果禁枪了，那美国就被阉割了

[jhe123]

I am not a linguist, and I was not giving my evidence in the court. Anyway, if it bothers you, I change it to "you almost do not use your guns for defense." Are you happy with that?

>>每年有50到200万自卫用枪的案例
Except that there is no evidence. At least Gun Violence Archive gives reference and link to every single case so that you can verify. If you know of some cases of self defense with gun that are not reported by GVA, you can show them to prove it is not trustworthy. Do you have any?

正儿八经的研究被你上下嘴皮一翻就否认了？

[jhe123]

So? Does it make those deaths less meaningful? Does it changed the fact that they were killed by some bad guys with guns?

罪犯被罪犯打死，和良民被害是不同的类别，各自的数据对了解统计另一方的情况或者作为研究另一方的数据基础都是毫无意义的。

[fortyNiner]

You don't even trust data from cdc and fbi, why do you trust some gun-right advocate's so-called research?
Nothing is more powerful that real data.

正儿八经的研究被你上下嘴皮一翻就否认了？

[fortyNiner]

Those people who were killed, do they deserve the death penalty at that moment? Who gives you the right to sentence the to death? The mass shooting in California where most of the family were killed, do they all deserve to die? Simply because a family member might be a gang member or selling drug, the rest of the family deserve to die?

罪犯被罪犯打死，和良民被害是不同的类别，各自的数据对了解统计另一方的情况或者作为研究另一方的数据基础都是毫无意义的。

[jhe123]

You don't even trust data from cdc and fbi, why do you trust some gun-right advocate's so-called research?
Nothing is more powerful that real data.

我当然trust fbi的数据，只不过是反枪组织就这些数据下的结论是错误的。我提起的那些研究也是可以信赖的，他们和FBI的数据并不矛盾。我知道这点超出你的理解能力了。

[jhe123]

Those people who were killed, do they deserve the death penalty at that moment? Who gives you the right to sentence the to death? The mass shooting in California where most of the family were killed, do they all deserve to die? Simply because a family member might be a gang member or selling drug, the rest of the family deserve to die?

滚一边去，少玩儿这种不要碧莲的道德绑架。

现在讨论的是数据分析和解读的正确方法，和事情本身应该不应该的屁关系没有。在科学研究上唯一重要的是事实真相，其它的所谓价值道德方面的评价没有存在的空间。

[fortyNiner]

Right, you are a gun-right advocate, of course you trust those research from gun-right groups.

我当然trust fbi的数据，只不过是反枪组织就这些数据下的结论是错误的。我提起的那些研究也是可以信赖的，他们和FBI的数据并不矛盾。我知道这点超出你的理解能力了。

[fortyNiner]

Didn't you call those killings "bad guys killing bad guys"?

滚一边去，少玩儿这种不要碧莲的道德绑架。

现在讨论的是数据分析和解读的正确方法，和事情本身应该不应该的屁关系没有。在科学研究上唯一重要的是事实真相，其它的所谓价值道德方面的评价没有存在的空间。

[jhe123]

Right, you are a gun-right advocate, of course you trust those research from gun-right groups.

你也只能用“因人废言”这一招来诋毁peer review过，被奥巴马时期的CDC引用过的研究了。

[jhe123]

Didn't you call those killings "bad guys killing bad guys"?

对啊，所以坏人互杀的数据和良民遇害的数据要分开分析才合理。

[Dahuaidanyimei]

从美国立国之日起，拥枪权就写在宪法里。是除了言论自由之外的第二大公民权利。极左民主党动不动就要禁枪，其实就是要把美利坚阉割了

就算言论自由，推特油管发一些极端言论试试看，或者发些仇恨报恐怖攻击预告试试看。

没有人说过要“禁”枪。“枪”是可以有界限的，首先大家觉得手枪，步枪，霰弹枪是枪，那大炮是不是“gun”，是不是也应该允许，是不是每家后院安装个加农炮才不阉割，才够粗够强够猛烈。

[fortyNiner]

The problem is, do you have that data?
Lacking of evidence is not evidence. That's why your trump lost some many cases in all levels of courts.

对啊，所以坏人互杀的数据和良民遇害的数据要分开分析才合理。

[fortyNiner]

There are a lot of peer-reviewed researches that contradict with each other. They can't be all right. Anyway, in front of real data, they are nothing. Every case in Gun Violence Archive is real and verifiable. If you think it under-reports defensive gun usage, you can find some that it has not reported to discredit it. The problem is, you cannot use your dream as evidence.
Your boasting of millions of lives saved by gun is nothing but craps.

你也只能用“因人废言”这一招来诋毁peer review过，被奥巴马时期的CDC引用过的研究了。

[mmking]

现在说“控枪”，其实极左的目标就是要禁枪。

尼玛，医生要给病人输血，你就结论医生真实目的是用血浆把病人胀爆，结果一滴血都不让输。牛逼

[jhe123]

The problem is, do you have that data?
Lacking of evidence is not evidence. That's why your trump lost some many cases in all levels of courts.

谁告诉你没有数据，前面说的三个城市的研究就显示了城市内枪击案的类别比例，你假装看不见也否认不了。

[jhe123]

There are a lot of peer-reviewed researches that contradict with each other. They can't be all right. Anyway, in front of real data, they are nothing. Every case in Gun Violence Archive is real and verifiable. If you think it under-reports defensive gun usage, you can find some that it has not reported to discredit it. The problem is, you cannot use your dream as evidence.
Your boasting of millions of lives saved by gun is nothing but craps.

早就说了，你就算看着FBI的数据你也做不出正确结论，自卫案例的统计和FBI的自卫用枪数据完全是兼容的，只不过你是完全不懂而已。

[fortyNiner]

Show me the FBI defensive gun usage data.

早就说了，你就算看着FBI的数据你也做不出正确结论，自卫案例的统计和FBI的自卫用枪数据完全是兼容的，只不过你是完全不懂而已。