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博导,找到这个,自己私自加Freon,看来是 “unenforceable law“

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企业不行, 私自住宅,估计没问题!

Can a homeowner without a Section 608 EPA license legally connect his own gauges to his own air conditioner if the unit uses 410a refrigerant?

It has been suggested by at least one moderator on this site that EPA Section 608, which restricts who can purchase and handle refrigerant, including who can connect a set of manifold gauges to a unit, applies only to CFC and HCFC refrigerants (class I and II refrigerants).

Can someone please clarify if it is legal or illegal for a homeowner without an EPA license to attach his own manifold gauges to his own equipment if it is charged with an HFC such as 410a?

From reading sections of the statute (not just the EPA summary) it is my understanding that effective November 15, 1995, Section 608 applies not only to CFC and HCFC refrigerants, but also their "substitutes." [The EPA has separately stated the term "substitutes" is not meant to restrict the sale of refrigerants that do not contain Ozone Depleting Compounds, such as 410a. Federal Register/ Vol. 70, No. 70 / Wednesday, April 13, 2005 / Rules and Regulations / ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY /40 CFR Part 82 [FRL–7899–3]. ]

The law against "unlicensed" refrigerant handlers (whatever that means) does not specify any penalties, it just says it is "prohibited", so from a legal standpoint it is an unenforceable law. In order for a law to be prosecuted it must have a penalty specified, otherwise it is moot in court. For this reason, noone has ever been indicted for violating this so-called "prohibition".

In general, only companies are sued by the EPA for refrigerant issues, not individuals, with the exception of refrigerant "smugglers" who are indicted on trade laws, not Clean Air Act violations. In the last 10 years only one (individual not company) person has ever been domestically convicted of a Freon-related violation. That was a guy who was brazenly selling Freon on Craigslist. Even in this case, he was convicted of filing false documents with the Feds, not of actually selling the Freon.

No individual householder has ever been criminally charged for maintaining, charging or otherwise working with refrigerants, illegal or otherwise, in their own home or business.
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https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/crimina ... an-air-act


Violation of Stratospheric Ozone Protection Provisions

Elements:

A person
Knowingly
Violates any violation or prohibition of subchapter VI of the CAA [ including, but not limited to: non-essential products ban; production, importation, and consumption controls; any requirement of the national emissions control, disposal, and recycling program for motor vehicle air conditioners (MVACs); any requirement of the national emissions control, disposal, and recycling program for appliances or industrial process refrigeration equipment; venting any Class I or Class II substance used as a refrigerant. ]
Statute: 42 U.S.C. 7413(c)(1)

Penalty:

5 years and/or fines pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 3571.
Penalties doubled if second or subsequent conviction.
Relevant Regulations:

40 C.F.R. 82
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yyyy78 写了: 2023年 7月 8日 11:51 https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/crimina ... an-air-act


Violation of Stratospheric Ozone Protection Provisions

Elements:

A person
Knowingly
Violates any violation or prohibition of subchapter VI of the CAA [ including, but not limited to: non-essential products ban; production, importation, and consumption controls; any requirement of the national emissions control, disposal, and recycling program for motor vehicle air conditioners (MVACs); any requirement of the national emissions control, disposal, and recycling program for appliances or industrial process refrigeration equipment; venting any Class I or Class II substance used as a refrigerant. ]
Statute: 42 U.S.C. 7413(c)(1)

Penalty:

5 years and/or fines pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 3571.
Penalties doubled if second or subsequent conviction.
Relevant Regulations:

40 C.F.R. 82
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考个许可证吧。 不是很难。
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runner40 写了: 2023年 7月 8日 18:17 考个许可证吧。 不是很难。
谁都能考 ?
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是的。这个许可证不需要任何的学徒经历。可以考1,2, 3 类证书。 大多数家用空调需要2类证。 如果哪天想自己处理冰箱制冷系统, 就需要3类。
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runner40 写了: 2023年 7月 10日 18:53 是的。这个许可证不需要任何的学徒经历。可以考1,2, 3 类证书。 大多数家用空调需要2类证。 如果哪天想自己处理冰箱制冷系统, 就需要3类。
要是AC , 2类就行?
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是的。 I类比较容易, 但是不支持大多数家用空调 AC。 因为多数家用空调所需制冷剂较多 超过I类证书许可范围。 II类就可以啦。 但是如果只是要买制冷剂,I类证书就可以了 当然也需要具体制冷剂具体对待。 我自己是先考了I类 去买了制冷剂R22 然后再考了II类, 算是赶鸭子上架了
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瞎扯,不要听这些网上的杠精跟你瞎bb,没抓到你,抓到就是几万块,真要自己家就需要考证,考证并不需要学徒资格
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Can a homeowner without a Section 608 EPA license legally connect his own gauges to his own air conditioner if the unit uses 410a refrigerant?

It has been suggested by at least one moderator on this site that EPA Section 608, which restricts who can purchase and handle refrigerant, including who can connect a set of manifold gauges to a unit, applies only to CFC and HCFC refrigerants (class I and II refrigerants).

Can someone please clarify if it is legal or illegal for a homeowner without an EPA license to attach his own manifold gauges to his own equipment if it is charged with an HFC such as 410a?

From reading sections of the statute (not just the EPA summary) it is my understanding that effective November 15, 1995, Section 608 applies not only to CFC and HCFC refrigerants, but also their "substitutes." [The EPA has separately stated the term "substitutes" is not meant to restrict the sale of refrigerants that do not contain Ozone Depleting Compounds, such as 410a. Federal Register/ Vol. 70, No. 70 / Wednesday, April 13, 2005 / Rules and Regulations / ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY /40 CFR Part 82 [FRL–7899–3]. ]

The law against "unlicensed" refrigerant handlers (whatever that means) does not specify any penalties, it just says it is "prohibited", so from a legal standpoint it is an unenforceable law. In order for a law to be prosecuted it must have a penalty specified, otherwise it is moot in court. For this reason, noone has ever been indicted for violating this so-called "prohibition".

In general, only companies are sued by the EPA for refrigerant issues, not individuals, with the exception of refrigerant "smugglers" who are indicted on trade laws, not Clean Air Act violations. In the last 10 years only one (individual not company) person has ever been domestically convicted of a Freon-related violation. That was a guy who was brazenly selling Freon on Craigslist. Even in this case, he was convicted of filing false documents with the Feds, not of actually selling the Freon.

No individual householder has ever been criminally charged for maintaining, charging or otherwise working with refrigerants, illegal or otherwise, in their own home or business.
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