我老再给你们公开科普一下陈刚和Lieber对比

[赖美豪中]

首先白皮蜜柚Lieber一共也就干了5年千人，从头到尾没有联合申请过项目，他的罪状主要是对联邦特工说谎，就是那种陷害福林的高级技术，比如问你昨晚吃了几碗饭，你说两碗，不好意思，餐厅监控显示你吃了3碗的联邦重罪。其他的罪状和陈刚几乎是一毛一样
In April 2018, during an interview with federal agents from DOD (one of the agencies that sponsored a portion of Lieber’s research), among other things, Lieber falsely stated that he had never been asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Plan. Later, in January 2019, Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell the NIH (another sponsor of Lieber’s research) that Lieber was not, and had never been, a participant in the Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber knew these statements were false because he had signed a Thousand Talents contract with WUT in 2012, performed many of the duties and responsibilities required of him under that contract, and been paid a substantial salary by WUT in exchange for his work. Specifically, the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract with WUT entitled Lieber to a salary of up to $50,000 per month, living expenses of up to $150,000 and approximately n $1.5 million to conduct joint research at WUT.

In tax years 2013 and 2014, Lieber earned income from WUT in the form of salary and other payments made to him pursuant to his Thousand Talents contract, which he did not disclose to the IRS on his federal income tax returns. Together with WUT officials, Lieber also opened a bank account at a Chinese bank during a trip to Wuhan in 2012. Thereafter, between at least 2012 and 2015, WUT periodically deposited portions of Lieber’s salary into that account. U.S. taxpayers are required to report the existence of any foreign bank account that holds more than $10,000 at any time during a given year by the filing an FBAR with the IRS. According to Lieber, the balance of his Chinese bank account was approximately $200,000 in 2014 and 2015. Nonetheless, Lieber purposely failed to file FBARs for those years.

对比之下，陈刚最牛b就是懂税法，人民币留在国内置产，绝不往美国转，也坚决plea 5th, 反正人只能找到几张atm照片，无法证明陈刚从中国捞了多少钱。在SOD嘴里这就是无辜陷害了。毕竟这么懂钻法律漏洞的肯定是高智商人才，一定是无辜的

[kanting]

Up

[HBBH]

再说一遍， 本版不喜欢骂人的贴， 违规帖子会被删掉，或者禁止发帖， 你想你的帖子让人看到就好好说话。

[Cellcycle2]

首先白皮蜜柚Lieber一共也就干了5年千人，从头到尾没有联合申请过项目，他的罪状主要是对联邦特工说谎，就是那种陷害福林的高级技术，比如问你昨晚吃了几碗饭，你说两碗，不好意思，餐厅监控显示你吃了3碗的联邦重罪。其他的罪状和陈刚几乎是一毛一样
In April 2018, during an interview with federal agents from DOD (one of the agencies that sponsored a portion of Lieber’s research), among other things, Lieber falsely stated that he had never been asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Plan. Later, in January 2019, Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell the NIH (another sponsor of Lieber’s research) that Lieber was not, and had never been, a participant in the Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber knew these statements were false because he had signed a Thousand Talents contract with WUT in 2012, performed many of the duties and responsibilities required of him under that contract, and been paid a substantial salary by WUT in exchange for his work. Specifically, the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract with WUT entitled Lieber to a salary of up to $50,000 per month, living expenses of up to $150,000 and approximately n $1.5 million to conduct joint research at WUT.

In tax years 2013 and 2014, Lieber earned income from WUT in the form of salary and other payments made to him pursuant to his Thousand Talents contract, which he did not disclose to the IRS on his federal income tax returns. Together with WUT officials, Lieber also opened a bank account at a Chinese bank during a trip to Wuhan in 2012. Thereafter, between at least 2012 and 2015, WUT periodically deposited portions of Lieber’s salary into that account. U.S. taxpayers are required to report the existence of any foreign bank account that holds more than $10,000 at any time during a given year by the filing an FBAR with the IRS. According to Lieber, the balance of his Chinese bank account was approximately $200,000 in 2014 and 2015. Nonetheless, Lieber purposely failed to file FBARs for those years.

对比之下，陈刚最牛b就是懂税法，人民币留在国内置产，绝不往美国转，也坚决plea 5th, 反正人只能找到几张atm照片，无法证明陈刚从中国捞了多少钱。在SOD嘴里这就是无辜陷害了。毕竟这么懂钻法律漏洞的肯定是高智商人才，一定是无辜的

美帝法律 漏洞

[HBBH]

陈刚的项目大多了， 19 millions, 按到国内提成比例外加工资，个人收入也许超过 2 millions ？

[赖美豪中]

典型两头吃，陈刚起诉书最搞笑的是他还参加了某某中学海外留学项目，说白了就是卖推荐信。

陈刚为什么不愿意回国。那么多人都海归了，美国对陈教授来说那么不能舍弃吗？

[kanting]

再说一遍， 本版不喜欢骂人的贴， 违规帖子会被删掉，或者禁止发帖， 你想你的帖子让人看到就好好说话。

赞。

[赖美豪中]

君子爱财取之有道，千人就千人，老老实实写的中国发考题很多，不写的其实大部分就是不想交税，2018年以前很多funding agency要不care，甚至还鼓励，比如福奇这种人和五毒所都是很密切的联系

New York Times 曾经长篇报道过陈刚案，FBI很早就盯上他了，是奥巴马时代盯上他的。陈刚和中国大使馆曾经频繁接触，不知道他后来脱罪，中国大使馆有没有后面说情。Trump 时期抓的很多人都是奥巴马时代开始调查，Trump 时代瓜熟蒂落了。

[kanting]

说理、依据都很清楚。好文。多谢。

首先白皮蜜柚Lieber一共也就干了5年千人，从头到尾没有联合申请过项目，他的罪状主要是对联邦特工说谎，就是那种陷害福林的高级技术，比如问你昨晚吃了几碗饭，你说两碗，不好意思，餐厅监控显示你吃了3碗的联邦重罪。其他的罪状和陈刚几乎是一毛一样
In April 2018, during an interview with federal agents from DOD (one of the agencies that sponsored a portion of Lieber’s research), among other things, Lieber falsely stated that he had never been asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Plan. Later, in January 2019, Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell the NIH (another sponsor of Lieber’s research) that Lieber was not, and had never been, a participant in the Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber knew these statements were false because he had signed a Thousand Talents contract with WUT in 2012, performed many of the duties and responsibilities required of him under that contract, and been paid a substantial salary by WUT in exchange for his work. Specifically, the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract with WUT entitled Lieber to a salary of up to $50,000 per month, living expenses of up to $150,000 and approximately n $1.5 million to conduct joint research at WUT.

In tax years 2013 and 2014, Lieber earned income from WUT in the form of salary and other payments made to him pursuant to his Thousand Talents contract, which he did not disclose to the IRS on his federal income tax returns. Together with WUT officials, Lieber also opened a bank account at a Chinese bank during a trip to Wuhan in 2012. Thereafter, between at least 2012 and 2015, WUT periodically deposited portions of Lieber’s salary into that account. U.S. taxpayers are required to report the existence of any foreign bank account that holds more than $10,000 at any time during a given year by the filing an FBAR with the IRS. According to Lieber, the balance of his Chinese bank account was approximately $200,000 in 2014 and 2015. Nonetheless, Lieber purposely failed to file FBARs for those years.

对比之下，陈刚最牛b就是懂税法，人民币留在国内置产，绝不往美国转，也坚决plea 5th, 反正人只能找到几张atm照片，无法证明陈刚从中国捞了多少钱。在SOD嘴里这就是无辜陷害了。毕竟这么懂钻法律漏洞的肯定是高智商人才，一定是无辜的

[大西洋]

首先白皮蜜柚Lieber一共也就干了5年千人，从头到尾没有联合申请过项目，他的罪状主要是对联邦特工说谎，就是那种陷害福林的高级技术，比如问你昨晚吃了几碗饭，你说两碗，不好意思，餐厅监控显示你吃了3碗的联邦重罪。其他的罪状和陈刚几乎是一毛一样
In April 2018, during an interview with federal agents from DOD (one of the agencies that sponsored a portion of Lieber’s research), among other things, Lieber falsely stated that he had never been asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Plan. Later, in January 2019, Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell the NIH (another sponsor of Lieber’s research) that Lieber was not, and had never been, a participant in the Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber knew these statements were false because he had signed a Thousand Talents contract with WUT in 2012, performed many of the duties and responsibilities required of him under that contract, and been paid a substantial salary by WUT in exchange for his work. Specifically, the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract with WUT entitled Lieber to a salary of up to $50,000 per month, living expenses of up to $150,000 and approximately n $1.5 million to conduct joint research at WUT.

In tax years 2013 and 2014, Lieber earned income from WUT in the form of salary and other payments made to him pursuant to his Thousand Talents contract, which he did not disclose to the IRS on his federal income tax returns. Together with WUT officials, Lieber also opened a bank account at a Chinese bank during a trip to Wuhan in 2012. Thereafter, between at least 2012 and 2015, WUT periodically deposited portions of Lieber’s salary into that account. U.S. taxpayers are required to report the existence of any foreign bank account that holds more than $10,000 at any time during a given year by the filing an FBAR with the IRS. According to Lieber, the balance of his Chinese bank account was approximately $200,000 in 2014 and 2015. Nonetheless, Lieber purposely failed to file FBARs for those years.

对比之下，陈刚最牛b就是懂税法，人民币留在国内置产，绝不往美国转，也坚决plea 5th, 反正人只能找到几张atm照片，无法证明陈刚从中国捞了多少钱。在SOD嘴里这就是无辜陷害了。毕竟这么懂钻法律漏洞的肯定是高智商人才，一定是无辜的

SOD已經黑名單了。

[大西洋]

君子爱财取之有道，千人就千人，老老实实写的中国发考题很多，不写的其实大部分就是不想交税，2018年以前很多funding agency要不care，甚至还鼓励，比如福奇这种人和五毒所都是很密切的联系

什麼是"五毒所"???????

[kanting]

什麼是"五毒所"???????

武汉的那个出“中国病毒”的所。

[大西洋]

武汉的那个出“中国病毒”的所。

明白

[catoh]

你们miss了最本质的区别！
陈刚是正式通过学校，走了手续后才使用MIT名义，做千人之类的，而且是为学校搞funding，所以校方强烈支持他。Lieber 没有走学校正式程序，被WUT的项目盗用了哈佛的名义，所以学校站在政府一边。

[nk]

大家都知道这是在美国 知道这句话吧 innocent until proven guilty

简单地看了两人的情况

陈刚是没有“disclose alleged connections“，后来被确认在当时填表是不需要有这个要求的，因此 没有问题

Lieber 是撒谎，最后都被认为 guility

所以这两个的东西根本是不一样的。

大家在争论到 漏税问题。 对于 陈刚，应该是没有拿到额外收入的证据 （老赖说了人民币留在国内置产，绝不往美国转），按照 innocent until proven guilty的原则， 不能依据猜测来给他定罪。而Lieber 的漏税 应该是拿到了 额外收入的证据

在美国，即使所有的情况都一样，会不会被定罪 和 律师的 质量 太有关系了。大家还记得 OJ Simpon 被判 无罪的案子，如果是一个差一点的律师，他就很可能被判有罪了。

Chen Gang:
被抓原因 On January 14, 2021, Chen was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and charged with failing to disclose alleged connections to several educational programs in China in filing a U.S. Department of Energy grant application, as well as omissions in his IRS filings

结果 On January 14, 2022, the Wall Street Journal reported that federal prosecutors had recommended dropping the criminal charges against Professor Chen.[13] The same day, The Washington Post reported that the DOE forms had not required Chen to disclose his connections to Chinese educational programs, undercutting the basis of the federal charges.

Charles M. Lieber
被抓原因
On January 28, 2020, Lieber was charged with making materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statements about his links to a Chinese university.
结果
Following a week-long trial, on December 21, 2021, Lieber was found guilty on all charges: two counts of making false statements to the U.S. government, two counts of filing a false income tax return, and two counts of failing to report foreign bank accounts.[73] He was fined and sentenced to two days in prison, followed by two years of supervised release with six months of house arrest on April 26, 2023.

[HBBH]

这两个案子都是要打击美国科研人员到国外捞金，同时泄露美国科技。 看FBI 的陈述， 29 millions 国外资助。

It has become much too commonplace that the ruling Communist Party of China thinks it can conduct illegal activity, and bend people here in the United States to its will, in order to try and surpass our country as the world’s leading superpower.


https://shorturl.at/jlsO3

[赖美豪中]

陈刚disclose给mit他干上千人的paperwork在哪里？他disclose的是所谓joint项目，千人要求9个月全职，mit怎么能同意

你们miss了最本质的区别！
陈刚是正式通过学校，走了手续后才使用MIT名义，做千人之类的，而且是为学校搞funding，所以校方强烈支持他。Lieber 没有走学校正式程序，被WUT的项目盗用了哈佛的名义，所以学校站在政府一边。

[赖美豪中]

这个完全没有什么好洗的了，陈刚就是因为jb爷要给聚聚难看才放的，lieber的案子因为已经进了trial程序，证据太明显，另外是个白皮，对jb爷没有骗票的需要，当然最后也是轻判，一天牢也没有真坐

大家都知道这是在美国 知道这句话吧 innocent until proven guilty

简单地看了两人的情况

陈刚是没有“disclose alleged connections“，后来被确认在当时填表是不需要有这个要求的，因此 没有问题

Lieber 是撒谎，最后都被认为 guility

所以这两个的东西根本是不一样的。

大家在争论到 漏税问题。 对于 陈刚，应该是没有拿到额外收入的证据 （老赖说了人民币留在国内置产，绝不往美国转），按照 innocent until proven guilty的原则， 不能依据猜测来给他定罪。而Lieber 的漏税 应该是拿到了 额外收入的证据

在美国，即使所有的情况都一样，会不会被定罪 和 律师的 质量 太有关系了。大家还记得 OJ Simpon 被判 无罪的案子，如果是一个差一点的律师，他就很可能被判有罪了。

Chen Gang:
被抓原因 On January 14, 2021, Chen was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and charged with failing to disclose alleged connections to several educational programs in China in filing a U.S. Department of Energy grant application, as well as omissions in his IRS filings

结果 On January 14, 2022, the Wall Street Journal reported that federal prosecutors had recommended dropping the criminal charges against Professor Chen.[13] The same day, The Washington Post reported that the DOE forms had not required Chen to disclose his connections to Chinese educational programs, undercutting the basis of the federal charges.

Charles M. Lieber
被抓原因
On January 28, 2020, Lieber was charged with making materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statements about his links to a Chinese university.
结果
Following a week-long trial, on December 21, 2021, Lieber was found guilty on all charges: two counts of making false statements to the U.S. government, two counts of filing a false income tax return, and two counts of failing to report foreign bank accounts.[73] He was fined and sentenced to two days in prison, followed by two years of supervised release with six months of house arrest on April 26, 2023.

[catoh]

哈，我说的不严谨，陈刚的千人是在还不需要Disclose的时候做的，但这不是重点。重点是一个是奉命使用学校的名义成立joint项目，为学校挣钱，所以有学校背书。一个是被武汉理工盗用学校名义成立Joint项目，所以学校站政府那边。这个区别太大了

[赖美豪中]

lieber是2012-2017做的千人，和陈刚同一时期，为什么lieber要disclose，陈刚不用？

哈，我说的不严谨，陈刚的千人是在还不需要Disclose的时候做的，但这不是重点。重点是一个是奉命使用学校的名义成立joint项目，为学校挣钱，所以有学校背书。一个是被武汉理工盗用学校名义成立Joint项目，所以学校站政府那边。这个区别太大了