考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
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#23 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
Quora说的很清楚:同样weight的油,冷的比热的粘。但是现在机油的weight会随着温度变。所以要精确分析,得比较变化率了。
In a multi-viscosity oil, the two numbers don’t translate directly into “flow rates.” Each of these numbers actually refers to a specific viscosity curve; a “5 weight” oil, for instance, in general flows more readily than a “30 weight,” but still flows more readily when hot than when cold. Given the two numbers of a “multi-vis” oil, what you’re really being told (simply put) is that it behaves like a “5 weight” when cold, and a “30 weight” when hot. (There are, of course, specific definitions for all of these, but that’s the basic idea.)
All of those numbers are based on what it would protect the engine like under standard conditions. For example, the 5 in that number, means that the oil will flow and protect your engine, like a 5-weight oil under cold operating conditions upon startup. It is all about viscosity, which is the ability to flow inside the engine, meaning that the thinner the oil gets, the greater its ability to get into smaller spaces.
Obviously, all oils will thin out when they get hot. Once the engine is warmed in winter, then the oil begins protecting your engine as if it was a 30-weight oil.
People commonly call motors oils by “weight.” That is partially correct. They also say, “Thickness.” Basically, it has to do with the properties of the molecules, and their thicknesses ranging from cold to hot.
Many, many years ago, you could not find 5w30, for example. Technology has improved so that the properties of refinement in motor oils makes it very slick and slippery, yet the molecular bonding is dense enough to protect the engine even when warm.
In a multi-viscosity oil, the two numbers don’t translate directly into “flow rates.” Each of these numbers actually refers to a specific viscosity curve; a “5 weight” oil, for instance, in general flows more readily than a “30 weight,” but still flows more readily when hot than when cold. Given the two numbers of a “multi-vis” oil, what you’re really being told (simply put) is that it behaves like a “5 weight” when cold, and a “30 weight” when hot. (There are, of course, specific definitions for all of these, but that’s the basic idea.)
All of those numbers are based on what it would protect the engine like under standard conditions. For example, the 5 in that number, means that the oil will flow and protect your engine, like a 5-weight oil under cold operating conditions upon startup. It is all about viscosity, which is the ability to flow inside the engine, meaning that the thinner the oil gets, the greater its ability to get into smaller spaces.
Obviously, all oils will thin out when they get hot. Once the engine is warmed in winter, then the oil begins protecting your engine as if it was a 30-weight oil.
People commonly call motors oils by “weight.” That is partially correct. They also say, “Thickness.” Basically, it has to do with the properties of the molecules, and their thicknesses ranging from cold to hot.
Many, many years ago, you could not find 5w30, for example. Technology has improved so that the properties of refinement in motor oils makes it very slick and slippery, yet the molecular bonding is dense enough to protect the engine even when warm.
#24 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
这些机油虽然会减轻低温下的粘度(因为添加剂),但是在低温下的粘度还是会比其在高温时的高。也就是,还是在冷车的时候更粘稠。这也就是为什么冷车启动后对发动机的磨损要远大于热车;冷油比较黏,不能很快沁润到所有的需要润滑的地方。
“5”、“30”等是weight不是粘度。5W30的意思是:这个油在低温时相当于5weight的油而不是30weight,但是30weight的油在高温时的粘度还是比5weight的油在低温时的粘度低。
这是我几十年前琢磨过的问题,如果记忆没出问题的话。
#26 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
机油粘度测量方法:fard 写了: 2024年 1月 22日 20:59 这些机油虽然会减轻低温下的粘度(因为添加剂),但是在低温下的粘度还是会比其在高温时的高。也就是,还是在冷车的时候更粘稠。这也就是为什么冷车启动后对发动机的磨损要远大于热车;冷油比较黏,不能很快沁润到所有的需要润滑的地方。
“5”、“30”等是weight不是粘度。5W30的意思是:这个油在低温时相当于5weight的油而不是30weight,但是30weight的油在高温时的粘度还是比5weight的油在低温时的粘度低。
这是我几十年前琢磨过的问题,如果记忆没出问题的话。
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#27 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
麻烦, 同一型号engine oil, 高温粘度永远比低温低。
5W20, 5W 不能跟20 去比, 他们是低温 或者高温相对值。
5W20, 5W 不能跟20 去比, 他们是低温 或者高温相对值。
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#28 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
看来这个问题的确是反常识的,Weight的单位也表示粘度,我理解5W30表示的是实际的behavior和润滑性能,而不是物理的粘度,物理上低温还是更粘,所以流动性还是差。fard 写了: 2024年 1月 22日 20:59 这些机油虽然会减轻低温下的粘度(因为添加剂),但是在低温下的粘度还是会比其在高温时的高。也就是,还是在冷车的时候更粘稠。这也就是为什么冷车启动后对发动机的磨损要远大于热车;冷油比较黏,不能很快沁润到所有的需要润滑的地方。
“5”、“30”等是weight不是粘度。5W30的意思是:这个油在低温时相当于5weight的油而不是30weight,但是30weight的油在高温时的粘度还是比5weight的油在低温时的粘度低。
这是我几十年前琢磨过的问题,如果记忆没出问题的话。
#33 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
其实,只要是在夏天和冬天都自己换过机油的,都非常清楚楼主的这个问题的答案。不论是什么机油,加了添加剂之后会改善低温的流动性,但是只是在一定的程度上而已,低温的流动性还是远不如其高温时的。altopalo 写了: 2024年 1月 22日 21:10 看来这个问题的确是反常识的,Weight的单位也表示粘度,我理解5W30表示的是实际的behavior和润滑性能,而不是物理的粘度,物理上低温还是更粘,所以流动性还是差。
#34 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
回答正确。对新车的MPG的要求越来越高了(感谢极左),所以厂家门绞尽了脑汁,比如增加活塞的间隙,加上用更低粘度的油,很多新车比如斯巴鲁刚出厂就烧机油。
#38 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
”W 两边值是相对的“ --- 那请给出合理的解释。如果检测手段是一样的,就不是相对值。所有的网上的解释就是数值代表粘度。反正我一开始也是觉得反直觉,但是数字就放在那里。。。加了添加剂导致温度上升--》粘度升高的解释至少合理。。。
“换过油的难道真觉得热油流得慢"-- 这个不知道。从来没有冷车换过油,不过可以下次试一试。你冷车换油比较过?
#39 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
这个还从来没有注意过。
但是你的观察有一个问题。夏天温度高,油盆是塑料的,软,容易变形,容易晃动。冬天反之。当然也可能你观察的是对的。
#45 Re: 考大家一个机油的基本常识,估计版上90%的不知道
你贴的链接Fig 1, 2 就解释了的

Savage 写了: 2024年 1月 22日 21:34 ”W 两边值是相对的“ --- 那请给出合理的解释。如果检测手段是一样的,就不是相对值。所有的网上的解释就是数值代表粘度。反正我一开始也是觉得反直觉,但是数字就放在那里。。。加了添加剂导致温度上升--》粘度升高的解释至少合理。。。
“换过油的难道真觉得热油流得慢"-- 这个不知道。从来没有冷车换过油,不过可以下次试一试。你冷车换油比较过?

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