中美直达航班迟迟不能恢复，最大瓶颈是卡在美国交通部

[sweetsister]

现在的情况是，中方航司对中美直飞复航有极大的热情

但是，美方航司因为各种原因对直飞复航不积极，不热心

美国交通部一共批准了每周70条直飞航线

按照对等原则，中方35条，美方35条

批准之后，中方立即就把这35条航线飞满了，

而且嗷嗷待哺，再批100条航线也能飞满

但是美方三大航司一共才飞了31条，剩下四个宁可空着

并且不断把复飞时间延后，从3月推到7月再10月

美国交通部为了地方保护，近期应该不会再批准复飞航线

所以总结一下就是：中美直达航班迟迟不能恢复，最大瓶颈是卡在美国交通部

[dealfinder10]

说清楚 是biden的交通部。请你去给jb请愿

[changjiang]

现在的情况是，中方航司对中美直飞复航有极大的热情

但是，美方航司因为各种原因对直飞复航不积极，不热心

美国交通部一共批准了每周70条直飞航线

按照对等原则，中方35条，美方35条

批准之后，中方立即就把这35条航线飞满了，

而且嗷嗷待哺，再批100条航线也能飞满

但是美方三大航司一共才飞了31条，剩下四个宁可空着

并且不断把复飞时间延后，从3月推到7月再10月

美国交通部为了地方保护，近期应该不会再批准复飞航线

所以总结一下就是：中美直达航班迟迟不能恢复，最大瓶颈卡是美国交通部

这都啥阅读理解能力啊？

[sweetsister]

看版上讨论，大家有一些误解，

比如有人说复飞僵局是因为美国交通部禁止中国航司飞俄罗斯领空

但是其实，中方航司早在几个月前就已经让步了，

像国航除了原来的航班比如LAX-PEK星期天可以飞俄罗斯领空之外

新增航班比如LAX-PEK 周五，SFO-PEK周六都主动避飞俄领空

但是就是这样，美国交通部还是迟迟不批准新的直飞航线复飞

中方航司也是巧妇难为无米之炊

[sweetsister]

说清楚 是biden的交通部。请你去给jb请愿

是给大家提供一些信息

不是政治讨论。不是每个帖子都是政治贴

[sweetsister]

这都啥阅读理解能力啊？

你哪一句话看不懂？

[dealfinder10]

哈哈 怎么说也得和jb请愿。现在是左派民主党政府 你觉得应该谁负责？

是给大家提供一些信息

不是政治讨论。不是每个帖子都是政治贴

[赖美豪中]

其实就是卡在14小时上了，我帝工会比较牛b，14小时还有落地后休息时间，几个航司都找不到愿意飞这条线的。我认识UA飞亚洲的，其实中国影响还不大，最大的是南亚. 少了大批航班，东南亚这条线本来也不是特别赚钱。 这是老美自己的讨论

There are a lot of frustrated people trying to find tickets to Asia. However, very few people understand what the real problem is. The easy answer is recovery from Covid. This is actually not the case. I am doing a quick post before catching my train to describe the root cause: US sanctions on Russia.

Reuters Article that partially describes the problem

What happened is that the US sanctioned Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine. As part of the response, Russia denied access to their air space for US airlines. However, Russia allows Chinese Airlines to continue to fly through their airspace. The net result is US airlines need to take a much longer route to fly into China, using more fuel and increasing costs. The Chinese airlines do not have to pay this cost and this gives them a huge advantage. In response, the US imposed a limit of 8 total Chinese airline flights into the U.S. per week, and China responded in kind. Pre Covid, there were over 160 flights a week between China and the US, and this was limited to 16 total per week. There has been a slight thaw, and now there are 24 flights per week, still much less than the overall demand. This means that demand for flights to Japan and other transit airports in Asia have been significantly higher, as China/US bound passengers now must transit in one of those hubs.

Edit: flights were originally listed as nn per day, it’s actually nn per week.

Further indication that Fuel cost advantage has been big part of the issue.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/chinese ... -airspace/

现在的情况是，中方航司对中美直飞复航有极大的热情

但是，美方航司因为各种原因对直飞复航不积极，不热心

美国交通部一共批准了每周70条直飞航线

按照对等原则，中方35条，美方35条

批准之后，中方立即就把这35条航线飞满了，

而且嗷嗷待哺，再批100条航线也能飞满

但是美方三大航司一共才飞了31条，剩下四个宁可空着

并且不断把复飞时间延后，从3月推到7月再10月

美国交通部为了地方保护，近期应该不会再批准复飞航线

所以总结一下就是：中美直达航班迟迟不能恢复，最大瓶颈是卡在美国交通部

[sweetsister]

14小时只是一个原因吧？

美国直飞台北，飞香港都大幅度恢复了

其实就是卡在14小时上了，我帝工会比较牛b，14小时还有落地后休息时间，几个航司都找不到愿意飞这条线的。我认识UA飞亚洲的，其实中国影响还不大，最大的是南亚. 少了大批航班，东南亚这条线本来也不是特别赚钱。 这是老美自己的讨论

There are a lot of frustrated people trying to find tickets to Asia. However, very few people understand what the real problem is. The easy answer is recovery from Covid. This is actually not the case. I am doing a quick post before catching my train to describe the root cause: US sanctions on Russia.

Reuters Article that partially describes the problem

What happened is that the US sanctioned Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine. As part of the response, Russia denied access to their air space for US airlines. However, Russia allows Chinese Airlines to continue to fly through their airspace. The net result is US airlines need to take a much longer route to fly into China, using more fuel and increasing costs. The Chinese airlines do not have to pay this cost and this gives them a huge advantage. In response, the US imposed a limit of 8 total Chinese airline flights into the U.S. per week, and China responded in kind. Pre Covid, there were over 160 flights a week between China and the US, and this was limited to 16 total per week. There has been a slight thaw, and now there are 24 flights per week, still much less than the overall demand. This means that demand for flights to Japan and other transit airports in Asia have been significantly higher, as China/US bound passengers now must transit in one of those hubs.

Edit: flights were originally listed as nn per day, it’s actually nn per week.

Further indication that Fuel cost advantage has been big part of the issue.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/chinese ... -airspace/

[dealfinder10]

你到底去不去找jb请愿 实在不行去找你们的交通部部长请愿啊。他一定会在百忙之中帮你们华左的

[赖美豪中]

那些航线本来就是超过14小时的，一直就有waiver, 恢复到疫情前很容易，另外也和补贴有关系的

14小时只是一个原因吧？

美国直飞台北，飞香港都大幅度恢复了

[Legendcat]

当年墙国牛逼哄哄说熔断就熔断，说隔离俩礼拜就全机组人员隔离俩礼拜，把人全吓跑了。现在你说恢复就必须恢复，不然就是美帝的锅？人家凭什么招之即来，挥之即去啊？人家现在连愿意飞的机组人员都凑不齐了

[foxbat]

又造谣了，叔去年十一月去中国，就从堪察加岛上空飞过
华左一天不造谣，就生不如死

看版上讨论，大家有一些误解，

比如有人说复飞僵局是因为美国交通部禁止中国航司飞俄罗斯领空

但是其实，中方航司早在几个月前就已经让步了，

像国航除了原来的航班比如LAX-PEK星期天可以飞俄罗斯领空之外

新增航班比如LAX-PEK 周五，SFO-PEK周六都主动避飞俄领空

但是就是这样，美国交通部还是迟迟不批准新的直飞航线复飞

中方航司也是巧妇难为无米之炊

[Topgolf118]

@calcat 你在这个楼里的脏话贴被举报了。帖子删了，请文明聊天。

[foxbat]

当年墙国牛逼哄哄说熔断就熔断，说隔离俩礼拜就全机组人员隔离俩礼拜，把人全吓跑了。现在你说恢复就必须恢复，不然就是美帝的锅？人家凭什么招之即来，挥之即去啊？人家现在连愿意飞的机组人员都凑不齐了

人不要脸，天下无敌
华左深得党妈真传

[Danaides]

现在的情况是，中方航司对中美直飞复航有极大的热情

但是，美方航司因为各种原因对直飞复航不积极，不热心

美国交通部一共批准了每周70条直飞航线

按照对等原则，中方35条，美方35条

批准之后，中方立即就把这35条航线飞满了，

而且嗷嗷待哺，再批100条航线也能飞满

但是美方三大航司一共才飞了31条，剩下四个宁可空着

并且不断把复飞时间延后，从3月推到7月再10月

美国交通部为了地方保护，近期应该不会再批准复飞航线

所以总结一下就是：中美直达航班迟迟不能恢复，最大瓶颈是卡在美国交通部

属实，聚聚干预不让过

[Wawa123]

别人要脱钩

考虑大环境自然不愿意实施方案了
白人有没有任何麻烦
倒霉的是梅花

[Dididada]

当年墙国牛逼哄哄说熔断就熔断，说隔离俩礼拜就全机组人员隔离俩礼拜，把人全吓跑了。现在你说恢复就必须恢复，不然就是美帝的锅？人家凭什么招之即来，挥之即去啊？人家现在连愿意飞的机组人员都凑不齐了

说得好！

[肚欲鸣]

敢情没人拿你当行走的五十万。

[whitepaper]

当年墙国牛逼哄哄说熔断就熔断，说隔离俩礼拜就全机组人员隔离俩礼拜，把人全吓跑了。现在你说恢复就必须恢复，不然就是美帝的锅？人家凭什么招之即来，挥之即去啊？人家现在连愿意飞的机组人员都凑不齐了

你这儿用的召之即来挥之即去似乎有贬义。
现在问题是找不到飞行员吗？是飞行条件被美国限制了。14小时以内的飞行员没问题对吧？