中美直达航班迟迟不能恢复，最大瓶颈是卡在美国交通部

[YG196T]

床铺上台后会不会再关几条航线？

[Rabboni]

都泥马脱钩了，增开个几把毛。

[Sinner]

是给大家提供一些信息

不是政治讨论。不是每个帖子都是政治贴

出来混迟早要还的。什么都怪共和党头上的时候就应该想到，对方一有机会也会这样干

[sweetsister]

剩下四个宁可空着，这是航空公司不愿飞啊，怎么是交通部的责任？

美国航司不愿意飞

但是中国航司愿意飞啊

如果美国交通部今天批50个新增航班

不，美国交通部就是批100个新增航班，

中国航司也能飞满

[ccmath]

以前我有个球友就是UA飞这条航线的飞行员，改天核实一下

其实就是卡在14小时上了，我帝工会比较牛b，14小时还有落地后休息时间，几个航司都找不到愿意飞这条线的。我认识UA飞亚洲的，其实中国影响还不大，最大的是南亚. 少了大批航班，东南亚这条线本来也不是特别赚钱。 这是老美自己的讨论

There are a lot of frustrated people trying to find tickets to Asia. However, very few people understand what the real problem is. The easy answer is recovery from Covid. This is actually not the case. I am doing a quick post before catching my train to describe the root cause: US sanctions on Russia.

Reuters Article that partially describes the problem

What happened is that the US sanctioned Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine. As part of the response, Russia denied access to their air space for US airlines. However, Russia allows Chinese Airlines to continue to fly through their airspace. The net result is US airlines need to take a much longer route to fly into China, using more fuel and increasing costs. The Chinese airlines do not have to pay this cost and this gives them a huge advantage. In response, the US imposed a limit of 8 total Chinese airline flights into the U.S. per week, and China responded in kind. Pre Covid, there were over 160 flights a week between China and the US, and this was limited to 16 total per week. There has been a slight thaw, and now there are 24 flights per week, still much less than the overall demand. This means that demand for flights to Japan and other transit airports in Asia have been significantly higher, as China/US bound passengers now must transit in one of those hubs.

Edit: flights were originally listed as nn per day, it’s actually nn per week.

Further indication that Fuel cost advantage has been big part of the issue.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/chinese ... -airspace/

[肚欲鸣]

美国航司不愿意飞

但是中国航司愿意飞啊

如果美国交通部今天批50个新增航班

不，美国交通部就是批100个新增航班，

中国航司也能飞满

跟廊坊视频会议，不耽误工作。

[CanGuanGong]

美国航司不愿意飞

但是中国航司愿意飞啊

如果美国交通部今天批50个新增航班

不，美国交通部就是批100个新增航班，

中国航司也能飞满

对等原则，我不挣也不能让竞争对手挣，除非是盟友或者小国家则无所谓。强国现在是五眼联盟，欧盟，日本等主要西方国家的竞争对手，一方面是自找的，一方面是确实强大了(小粉红这里可以鼓掌欢呼)

[ferrygao]

航空公司数钱数到腿抽筋

[changjiang]

美国航司不愿意飞

但是中国航司愿意飞啊

如果美国交通部今天批50个新增航班

不，美国交通部就是批100个新增航班，

中国航司也能飞满

美国交通部又不为中国公司服务，他只关心美国公司的想法和利益。

[gjq]

达美UA以前一堆14小时以上的航班。比如达美亚特兰大到上海大约16小时，UA华盛顿到北京略多于14小时。现在UA也有三藩或者LA到悉尼的飞机15小时20分，休斯顿到悉尼17小时35分。

其实就是卡在14小时上了，我帝工会比较牛b，14小时还有落地后休息时间，几个航司都找不到愿意飞这条线的。我认识UA飞亚洲的，其实中国影响还不大，最大的是南亚. 少了大批航班，东南亚这条线本来也不是特别赚钱。 这是老美自己的讨论

There are a lot of frustrated people trying to find tickets to Asia. However, very few people understand what the real problem is. The easy answer is recovery from Covid. This is actually not the case. I am doing a quick post before catching my train to describe the root cause: US sanctions on Russia.

Reuters Article that partially describes the problem

What happened is that the US sanctioned Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine. As part of the response, Russia denied access to their air space for US airlines. However, Russia allows Chinese Airlines to continue to fly through their airspace. The net result is US airlines need to take a much longer route to fly into China, using more fuel and increasing costs. The Chinese airlines do not have to pay this cost and this gives them a huge advantage. In response, the US imposed a limit of 8 total Chinese airline flights into the U.S. per week, and China responded in kind. Pre Covid, there were over 160 flights a week between China and the US, and this was limited to 16 total per week. There has been a slight thaw, and now there are 24 flights per week, still much less than the overall demand. This means that demand for flights to Japan and other transit airports in Asia have been significantly higher, as China/US bound passengers now must transit in one of those hubs.

Edit: flights were originally listed as nn per day, it’s actually nn per week.

Further indication that Fuel cost advantage has been big part of the issue.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/chinese ... -airspace/

[malta]

美国交通部又不为中国公司服务，他只关心美国公司的想法和利益。

就是这么回事。商务客流不恢复，美国公司不挣钱，当然不开新航线。中国人愿意做赔本的买卖，就让中国人去做吧，反正中国人便宜，有点工资就行。美国工人不行，成本太高，必须要有充足的商务客流才能挣钱。

[wyseman]

就是这么回事。商务客流不恢复，美国公司不挣钱，当然不开新航线。中国人愿意做赔本的买卖，就让中国人去做吧，反正中国人便宜，有点工资就行。美国工人不行，成本太高，必须要有充足的商务客流才能挣钱。

确实，美帝公司都在转移，飞中国需求不够

[HouseMD]

其实说到底就是没钱赚，有钱赚这事自然轮不到你们这些蹲地下室的操心？别光看经济舱的票价，没有航司是靠经济舱赚钱的

[nk]

正态分布曲线，大多数都还是穷人，只能乘经济仓，手上的钱都要捏着花。

食品或者油价涨了20-30%就会叫的。如果大家都超过了网上所说的贫困钱，食品或者油价翻一番都不是任何问题。

[noid2]

其实说到底就是没钱赚，有钱赚这事自然轮不到你们这些蹲地下室的操心？别光看经济舱的票价，没有航司是靠经济舱赚钱的

能不能赚还是要看成本。
比如现在这种情况中国的航空公司很可能是赚钱的，所以很积极。
美帝很可能赚不了多少钱。

[atomlaser]

正态分布曲线，大多数都还是穷人，只能乘经济仓，手上的钱都要捏着花。

食品或者油价涨了20-30%就会叫的。如果大家都超过了网上所说的贫困钱，食品或者油价翻一番都不是任何问题。

在如今中美几乎脱钩的情况下，中美班机里乘坐商务舱的主力仍然是白人，可见海华经济实力。

[赖美豪中]

商务舱本来就是商务的才坐。

在如今中美几乎脱钩的情况下，中美班机里乘坐商务舱的主力仍然是白人，可见海华经济实力。

[sweetsister]

商务舱本来就是商务的才坐。

疫情之前，中美直飞商务舱两三千美元

我自费也买商务舱，因为体验确实不一样

现在中美直飞商务舱是两三万美元

就没多少人愿意自费买商务舱了

[noid2]

在如今中美几乎脱钩的情况下，中美班机里乘坐商务舱的主力仍然是白人，可见海华经济实力。

华人消费模式的不同，或者较少的公司高层

[wutai]

没办法，我也是其中一员。
这么说吧，如果华人超过三分之一的美国人口，美国就会年年通缩。