zt 明州的人谈谈 Tim Walz

[Linjiaojiao]

正确
美华的策略应该是在总统侧面上支持民主党 防止种族歧视
在州政府层面上和两院支持共和党

然后各州通过极端法案 如不许墮胎 不许华人买房

[唐朝节度使]

其实都不是什么大问题，Walz 是个挺不错的人。

[Mountainlion]

你应该知道税法是要国会投票通过的吧？
给你减税少了就是国会阻挠的结果（民主党和共和党的建制派），所以税法是一个妥协的结果。川普本来也要废了奥巴马医保，但是即使妥协也没做到。

版上有几个真减税出来喊一声 告诉大家怎幺做到的 当然家庭收十万以下就算
税法是磨古头的政绩 怎又变成左棍阻挠
能不能不要一张嘴就说谎

[赖美豪中]

不许堕胎为啥是极端法案？不许带套还不许堕胎才叫极端法案啊

然后各州通过极端法案 如不许墮胎 不许华人买房

[cng]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgewpzyd91o

[赖美豪中]

大兄弟别浪费时间了，我可以负责任告诉你，这位肯定从来没有自己报过税，2017 tax cut， 40-50万双职工家庭省3-5万一年，AMT废掉了，marriage penalty废了。我随便给你么一个实际的例子，married couple 20w each before tcja 2017, marriage penalty 一项省了16K.
左派同学不服气的也可以数据说话
To calculate the tax savings for a married couple with each spouse earning $200,000 annually under the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), we'll follow these steps:

Determine the combined income: Since both spouses earn $200,000, the total household income is $400,000.

Identify the tax brackets pre-TCJA:

2017 tax brackets (pre-TCJA) for married filing jointly:
10% on income up to $18,650
15% on income from $18,651 to $75,900
25% on income from $75,901 to $153,100
28% on income from $153,101 to $233,350
33% on income from $233,351 to $416,700
35% on income from $416,701 to $470,700
39.6% on income over $470,700
Identify the tax brackets post-TCJA:

2018 and beyond (post-TCJA) for married filing jointly:
10% on income up to $19,050
12% on income from $19,051 to $77,400
22% on income from $77,401 to $165,000
24% on income from $165,001 to $315,000
32% on income from $315,001 to $400,000
35% on income from $400,001 to $600,000
37% on income over $600,000
Calculate the tax under both scenarios:

Pre-TCJA tax liability
Post-TCJA tax liability
Subtract to find the savings.

Let's calculate these amounts.

For a married couple with a combined annual income of $400,000:

Tax liability pre-TCJA (2017): $107,217
Tax liability post-TCJA (2018 and beyond): $91,379
Tax savings due to the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act: $15,838

你应该知道税法是要国会投票通过的吧？
给你减税少了就是国会阻挠的结果（民主党和共和党的建制派），所以税法是一个妥协的结果。川普本来也要废了奥巴马医保，但是因为妥协也没不到。

[赖美豪中]

恩，这个walz是可能要打热战的，这票是绝对投不下去了

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgewpzyd91o

[Linjiaojiao]

你们抢先交不是因为要涨税，要是涨你抢先交也没有用。

你懂 抢先交 按老税法可以itemize 可免税
下一年交 了白 salt被取消
一堆人叫就是要打击蓝州高房价区中产 其实这本来是红区 只是在蓝州没用 多搓点油

[赖美豪中]

笑尿了，amt了解一下把，不要听人胡说八道，我老再这个问题上指导了不下10位中国城‘会计师’，他们看完我给他的example都不说话了。lol

你懂 抢先交 按老税法可以itemize 可免税
下一年交 了白 salt被取消
一堆人叫就是要打击蓝州高房价区中产 其实这本来是红区 只是在蓝州没用 多搓点油

[lilyamao]

会计在这里，你这是胡扯

还marriage penalty 就1.6万

以前我以为你是马工，现在看你这么无知，大概是唐人街洗碗的非法移民

大兄弟别浪费时间了，我可以负责任告诉你，这位肯定从来没有自己报过税，2017 tax cut， 40-50万双职工家庭省3-5万一年，AMT废掉了，marriage penalty废了。我随便给你么一个实际的例子，married couple 20w each before tcja 2017, marriage penalty 一项省了16K.
左派同学不服气的也可以数据说话
To calculate the tax savings for a married couple with each spouse earning $200,000 annually under the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), we'll follow these steps:

Determine the combined income: Since both spouses earn $200,000, the total household income is $400,000.

Identify the tax brackets pre-TCJA:

2017 tax brackets (pre-TCJA) for married filing jointly:
10% on income up to $18,650
15% on income from $18,651 to $75,900
25% on income from $75,901 to $153,100
28% on income from $153,101 to $233,350
33% on income from $233,351 to $416,700
35% on income from $416,701 to $470,700
39.6% on income over $470,700
Identify the tax brackets post-TCJA:

2018 and beyond (post-TCJA) for married filing jointly:
10% on income up to $19,050
12% on income from $19,051 to $77,400
22% on income from $77,401 to $165,000
24% on income from $165,001 to $315,000
32% on income from $315,001 to $400,000
35% on income from $400,001 to $600,000
37% on income over $600,000
Calculate the tax under both scenarios:

Pre-TCJA tax liability
Post-TCJA tax liability
Subtract to find the savings.

Let's calculate these amounts.

For a married couple with a combined annual income of $400,000:

Tax liability pre-TCJA (2017): $107,217
Tax liability post-TCJA (2018 and beyond): $91,379
Tax savings due to the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act: $15,838

[Linjiaojiao]

大兄弟别浪费时间了，我可以负责任告诉你，这位肯定从来没有自己报过税，2017 tax cut， 40-50万双职工家庭省3-5万一年，AMT废掉了，marriage penalty废了。我随便给你么一个实际的例子，married couple 20w each before tcja 2017, marriage penalty 一项省了16K.
左派同学不服气的也可以数据说话
To calculate the tax savings for a married couple with each spouse earning $200,000 annually under the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), we'll follow these steps:

Determine the combined income: Since both spouses earn $200,000, the total household income is $400,000.

Identify the tax brackets pre-TCJA:

2017 tax brackets (pre-TCJA) for married filing jointly:
10% on income up to $18,650
15% on income from $18,651 to $75,900
25% on income from $75,901 to $153,100
28% on income from $153,101 to $233,350
33% on income from $233,351 to $416,700
35% on income from $416,701 to $470,700
39.6% on income over $470,700
Identify the tax brackets post-TCJA:

2018 and beyond (post-TCJA) for married filing jointly:
10% on income up to $19,050
12% on income from $19,051 to $77,400
22% on income from $77,401 to $165,000
24% on income from $165,001 to $315,000
32% on income from $315,001 to $400,000
35% on income from $400,001 to $600,000
37% on income over $600,000
Calculate the tax under both scenarios:

Pre-TCJA tax liability
Post-TCJA tax liability
Subtract to find the savings.

Let's calculate these amounts.

For a married couple with a combined annual income of $400,000:

Tax liability pre-TCJA (2017): $107,217
Tax liability post-TCJA (2018 and beyond): $91,379
Tax savings due to the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act: $15,838

普通老美中产有个屁四五十万 坐实给富人谋福利 你咋不光入百万减得更多
那老哥有四五十万收也不会活不下去
篮州15到三十万之间一普遍加税

[赖美豪中]

你这种两年税放一起交itemize一年，standard其实根本省不了多少钱。而且也就是低收入可以用用。高收入AMT很快就hit了，pre-tcja，我的经验是差不多18万以上你的propety tax 过10k就会hit

你懂 抢先交 按老税法可以itemize 可免税
下一年交 了白 salt被取消
一堆人叫就是要打击蓝州高房价区中产 其实这本来是红区 只是在蓝州没用 多搓点油

[赖美豪中]

你显然没有仔细算过把，我老上次就贴过，180k agi如果你的propety tax过1万也是很容易hit AMT的，25万左右几乎100% hit，你知道hit AMT是啥意思把

普通老美中产有个屁四五十万 坐实给富人谋福利 你咋不光入百万减得更多
那老哥有四五十万收也不会活不下去
篮州15到三十万之间一普遍加税

[branching]

你懂 抢先交 按老税法可以itemize 可免税
下一年交 了白 salt被取消
一堆人叫就是要打击蓝州高房价区中产 其实这本来是红区 只是在蓝州没用 多搓点油

税是肯定减了，但是不可能每个人都受益。你说的这个是有不少人减少了抵扣，不过这个我个人认为从道理上是合理的，地税是用在地方，很多地方就有动力推高房价，变相从联邦拿到更多补贴，对低房价或者低税区确实不公平，我当时也在兰州，地税也抵扣少了，房子不太贵所以还可以，但是我觉得这个不是最重要的事情，每个人情况都不一样。我估计狸猫恨他这个也是一个原因。

[赖美豪中]

那我给你一个低一点的？你要itemize多少钱才能省出4000？

For a married couple with a combined annual income of $150,000:

Tax liability pre-TCJA (2017): $28,977.50
Tax liability post-TCJA (2018 and beyond): $24,879.00
Tax savings due to the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act: $4,098.50

This is the amount the couple would save in taxes under the new tax law compared to the old one with the updated income

普通老美中产有个屁四五十万 坐实给富人谋福利 你咋不光入百万减得更多
那老哥有四五十万收也不会活不下去
篮州15到三十万之间一普遍加税

[lilyamao]

你这种两年税放一起交itemize一年，standard其实根本省不了多少钱。而且也就是低收入可以用用。高收入AMT很快就hit了，pre-tcja，我的经验是差不多15万以上你的propety tax 过10k就会hit

你这个例子有个巨大的问题，没有算standard deduction or itemized deduction 的区别

川傻那里，所有房地产稅， 州税，房地产贷款利息，三样加起来不能超过1万

以前旧税法下，普通中产这三样加起来轻松到5万

然后以前的夫妻40万要扣掉这个5万，还有一家四口的个人免税额之后，大概变成33万AGI
聚聚税法下就是38万应纳税额
所以你最后的税率bracket 应用都不对

所以几乎所有中产都哭诉聚聚税法下贵了1-2万的income tax

赖尿是唐人街洗碗的没跑了

[赖美豪中]

你别听她扯，他显然不懂税法，这个我myth来源于一些三脚猫会计师，其实基本上我上次给一个算例。20左右，如果你deduct 15k tax+15k利息，几乎100% hit AMT的。所以根本没法itemize. 2017 TCJA最牛b是2个：实际上废掉AMT，和废除了marriage penalty.
2017 TCJA最吃亏的一群人其实是收入再60万以上w-2. 然后有10万左右的州税和地产税（加州）

税是肯定减了，但是不可能每个人都受益。你说的这个是有不少人减少了抵扣，不过这个我个人认为从道理上是合理的，地税是用在地方，很多地方就有动力推高房价，变相从联邦拿到更多补贴，对低房价或者低税区确实不公平，我当时也在兰州，地税也抵扣少了，房子不太贵所以还可以，但是我觉得这个不是最重要的事情，每个人情况都不一样。我估计狸猫恨他这个也是一个原因。

[lilyamao]

一对加州夫妻收入40万，光州税就4万多

地产税来个1万，房贷利息来个2万，再一家四口免税额2万，就是30万AGI

你这个例子有个巨大的问题，没有算standard deduction or itemized deduction 的区别

川傻那里，所有房地产稅， 州税，房地产贷款利息，三样加起来不能超过1万

以前旧税法下，普通中产这三样加起来轻松到5万

然后以前的夫妻40万要扣掉这个5万，还有一家四口的个人免税额之后，大概变成33万AGI
聚聚税法下就是38万应纳税额
所以你最后的税率bracket 应用都不对

所以几乎所有中产都哭诉聚聚税法下贵了1-2万的income tax

赖尿是唐人街洗碗的没跑了

[赖美豪中]

胡闹呢，AMT算了么。我老给你算一下啊

To calculate the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) for a married couple filing jointly for the tax year 2017 with each spouse earning $200,000, and having $50,000 in local tax and mortgage interest, we need to follow these steps:

Calculate regular taxable income:

Start with the combined income of $400,000.
Subtract the standard or itemized deductions (we'll use the $50,000 in local tax and mortgage interest as itemized deductions in this case).
Calculate AMT taxable income:

Add back certain deductions that are not allowed for AMT purposes (local taxes, etc.).
Apply AMT exemption:

Determine the AMT exemption for 2017 for married couples filing jointly.
The exemption is reduced by 25% of the amount by which AMT income exceeds a certain threshold.
Calculate AMT:

AMT is calculated using the AMT tax rates:
26% on the first $187,800 of AMT income.
28% on any income over $187,800.
Compare the AMT with regular tax:

The taxpayer pays the higher of the AMT or the regular tax.
Let's calculate this step by step.

For the tax year 2017, with a married couple each earning $200,000 (total $400,000) and having $50,000 in local taxes and mortgage interest:

AMT tax liability: $101,377
Regular tax liability (pre-TCJA): $107,217
Since the regular tax liability is higher than the AMT tax, they would not be subject to AMT, and their tax liability would remain at $107,217.

你这个例子有个巨大的问题，没有算standard deduction or itemized deduction 的区别

川傻那里，所有房地产稅， 州税，房地产贷款利息，三样加起来不能超过1万

以前旧税法下，普通中产这三样加起来轻松到5万

然后以前的夫妻40万要扣掉这个5万，还有一家四口的个人免税额之后，大概变成33万AGI
聚聚税法下就是38万应纳税额
所以你最后的税率bracket 应用都不对

所以几乎所有中产都哭诉聚聚税法下贵了1-2万的income tax

赖尿是唐人街洗碗的没跑了

[赖美豪中]

AMT算了么？甘蔗没有两头甜啊，你40万收入还想itemize 6万？你在做梦把

一对加州夫妻收入40万，光州税就4万多

地产税来个1万，房贷利息来个2万，再一家四口免税额2万，就是30万AGI