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#1 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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不是说私人网站不受宪法的言论自由条款限制,可以按自己的规章制度封禁账号吗?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/tech ... ement.html
YouTube Settles Trump Lawsuit Over Account Suspension for $24.5 Million

Mr. Trump had sued Alphabet, the parent of YouTube and Google, and other social media companies after the platforms suspended his accounts following the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol.

By Kate Conger
Reporting from San Francisco
Sept. 29, 2025

YouTube agreed to pay a $24.5 million settlement to President Trump and others who were suspended by the video streaming platform in the wake of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to a legal document filed on Monday.

YouTube froze Mr. Trump’s account after the riot, blocking him from uploading new videos and arguing that the content could lead to more violence. Mr. Trump sued YouTube in October 2021, claiming that it and other social media firms that removed his accounts had wrongfully censored him.

The vast majority of YouTube’s settlement payment — $22 million — will go to Mr. Trump, according to the filing in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. He has directed that the money be contributed to the Trust for the National Mall and to the construction of a ballroom at the White House.

The remaining $2.5 million will be distributed among other plaintiffs in the case, including the writer Naomi Wolf and the American Conservative Union.

“If he hadn’t been re-elected, we’d be in court forever,” said John Coale, a lawyer for Mr. Trump. “Then the president gets re-elected and things look a lot better.”

A representative for YouTube declined to comment. The Wall Street Journal reported the agreement earlier.

YouTube’s settlement is the latest move by major technology and media firms to end expensive legal battles with Mr. Trump, who has accused social media platforms of censorship and claimed that media firms have defamed him.

Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, in January settled a similar lawsuit brought by Mr. Trump, agreeing to pay $25 million. X, the social media platform owned by Elon Musk and formerly known as Twitter, agreed in February to pay about $10 million to resolve a dispute about the 2021 suspension of Mr. Trump’s account.

Media companies have also made concessions to Mr. Trump. Paramount in July agreed to pay him $16 million to settle his lawsuit over the editing of a CBS “60 Minutes” interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris. ABC News agreed to pay $15 million in December to settle a defamation case filed by Mr. Trump against the network and one of its anchors, George Stephanopoulos.

Mr. Trump and his administration have ramped up pressure campaigns against his perceived enemies in recent months, including law firms that championed Democratic causes, prominent universities and media critics like Jimmy Kimmel. This month, Mr. Trump sued The New York Times, asking for $15 billion in damages. The lawsuit was dismissed, although Mr. Trump may refile.

Until recently, Mr. Trump’s lawsuits against the social media companies had largely stalled. A federal judge dismissed the case against Twitter in 2022, and judges had put the lawsuits against Meta and YouTube on ice.

X reinstated Mr. Trump’s account soon after Mr. Musk acquired the company in 2022, while YouTube and Meta restored his accounts in 2023.

“The law was on their side,” said Carl Tobias, a professor at the University of Richmond School of Law, who said the settlements were akin to “buying influence.”

The companies “do seem like they are currying favor with the presidential administration,” he added.

The $24.5 million settlement is a relatively small amount for Alphabet, which earned $9.7 billion in revenue from YouTube ads in the second quarter of the year, according to the company’s most recent earnings report.

Alphabet executives have spent time at the White House since Mr. Trump’s inauguration, working to repair a once-fractious relationship. Sundar Pichai, its chief executive, and Sergey Brin, a Google co-founder, attended a dinner with the president earlier this month focused on artificial intelligence.

Mr. Brin’s girlfriend, the wellness influencer Gerelyn Gilbert-Soto, celebrated YouTube’s settlement in a post on her Instagram story. “Well deserved. This kind of censorship was an abomination,” she wrote.

Last week, YouTube said it would reinstate content creators who were banned for violating its rules against misinformation related to Covid and the 2020 election. The streaming service also said it would relax some of its content moderation policies, in response to an investigation by Republicanlawmakers into whether social media companies restricted speech at the behest of the Biden administration.

Mr. Coale said the policy changes were discussed during settlement talks with YouTube but were not a condition.

“It’s better than it was back then,” Mr. Coale said. “There’s no government now pushing them to do anything, and I think that will stay in the future, no matter who wins the White House.”

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#2 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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wh 写了: 2025年 9月 29日 23:04

不是说私人网站不受宪法的言论自由条款限制,可以按自己的规章制度封禁账号吗?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/tech ... ement.html
YouTube Settles Trump Lawsuit Over Account Suspension for $24.5 Million

Mr. Trump had sued Alphabet, the parent of YouTube and Google, and other social media companies after the platforms suspended his accounts following the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol.

By Kate Conger
Reporting from San Francisco
Sept. 29, 2025

YouTube agreed to pay a $24.5 million settlement to President Trump and others who were suspended by the video streaming platform in the wake of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to a legal document filed on Monday.

YouTube froze Mr. Trump’s account after the riot, blocking him from uploading new videos and arguing that the content could lead to more violence. Mr. Trump sued YouTube in October 2021, claiming that it and other social media firms that removed his accounts had wrongfully censored him.

The vast majority of YouTube’s settlement payment — $22 million — will go to Mr. Trump, according to the filing in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. He has directed that the money be contributed to the Trust for the National Mall and to the construction of a ballroom at the White House.

The remaining $2.5 million will be distributed among other plaintiffs in the case, including the writer Naomi Wolf and the American Conservative Union.

“If he hadn’t been re-elected, we’d be in court forever,” said John Coale, a lawyer for Mr. Trump. “Then the president gets re-elected and things look a lot better.”

A representative for YouTube declined to comment. The Wall Street Journal reported the agreement earlier.

YouTube’s settlement is the latest move by major technology and media firms to end expensive legal battles with Mr. Trump, who has accused social media platforms of censorship and claimed that media firms have defamed him.

Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, in January settled a similar lawsuit brought by Mr. Trump, agreeing to pay $25 million. X, the social media platform owned by Elon Musk and formerly known as Twitter, agreed in February to pay about $10 million to resolve a dispute about the 2021 suspension of Mr. Trump’s account.

Media companies have also made concessions to Mr. Trump. Paramount in July agreed to pay him $16 million to settle his lawsuit over the editing of a CBS “60 Minutes” interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris. ABC News agreed to pay $15 million in December to settle a defamation case filed by Mr. Trump against the network and one of its anchors, George Stephanopoulos.

Mr. Trump and his administration have ramped up pressure campaigns against his perceived enemies in recent months, including law firms that championed Democratic causes, prominent universities and media critics like Jimmy Kimmel. This month, Mr. Trump sued The New York Times, asking for $15 billion in damages. The lawsuit was dismissed, although Mr. Trump may refile.

Until recently, Mr. Trump’s lawsuits against the social media companies had largely stalled. A federal judge dismissed the case against Twitter in 2022, and judges had put the lawsuits against Meta and YouTube on ice.

X reinstated Mr. Trump’s account soon after Mr. Musk acquired the company in 2022, while YouTube and Meta restored his accounts in 2023.

“The law was on their side,” said Carl Tobias, a professor at the University of Richmond School of Law, who said the settlements were akin to “buying influence.”

The companies “do seem like they are currying favor with the presidential administration,” he added.

The $24.5 million settlement is a relatively small amount for Alphabet, which earned $9.7 billion in revenue from YouTube ads in the second quarter of the year, according to the company’s most recent earnings report.

Alphabet executives have spent time at the White House since Mr. Trump’s inauguration, working to repair a once-fractious relationship. Sundar Pichai, its chief executive, and Sergey Brin, a Google co-founder, attended a dinner with the president earlier this month focused on artificial intelligence.

Mr. Brin’s girlfriend, the wellness influencer Gerelyn Gilbert-Soto, celebrated YouTube’s settlement in a post on her Instagram story. “Well deserved. This kind of censorship was an abomination,” she wrote.

Last week, YouTube said it would reinstate content creators who were banned for violating its rules against misinformation related to Covid and the 2020 election. The streaming service also said it would relax some of its content moderation policies, in response to an investigation by Republicanlawmakers into whether social media companies restricted speech at the behest of the Biden administration.

Mr. Coale said the policy changes were discussed during settlement talks with YouTube but were not a condition.

“It’s better than it was back then,” Mr. Coale said. “There’s no government now pushing them to do anything, and I think that will stay in the future, no matter who wins the White House.”

我们地方群的人说这个官司真打的话川普打不赢。看到文章里也说川普的起诉要么被驳回,要么搁置。那是媒体平台向总统示好?不至于吧,花那么多钱示好有啥必要?

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就是合法行贿

Amazon就直接买川婆的盘,川宝上台前没人要的东西。也是$20M+ 的行情

大概就是每家大科技公司给个$20-30M换平安

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不是说私人网站不受宪法的言论自由条款限制,可以按自己的规章制度封禁账号吗?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/tech ... ement.html
YouTube Settles Trump Lawsuit Over Account Suspension for $24.5 Million

Mr. Trump had sued Alphabet, the parent of YouTube and Google, and other social media companies after the platforms suspended his accounts following the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol.

By Kate Conger
Reporting from San Francisco
Sept. 29, 2025

YouTube agreed to pay a $24.5 million settlement to President Trump and others who were suspended by the video streaming platform in the wake of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to a legal document filed on Monday.

YouTube froze Mr. Trump’s account after the riot, blocking him from uploading new videos and arguing that the content could lead to more violence. Mr. Trump sued YouTube in October 2021, claiming that it and other social media firms that removed his accounts had wrongfully censored him.

The vast majority of YouTube’s settlement payment — $22 million — will go to Mr. Trump, according to the filing in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. He has directed that the money be contributed to the Trust for the National Mall and to the construction of a ballroom at the White House.

The remaining $2.5 million will be distributed among other plaintiffs in the case, including the writer Naomi Wolf and the American Conservative Union.

“If he hadn’t been re-elected, we’d be in court forever,” said John Coale, a lawyer for Mr. Trump. “Then the president gets re-elected and things look a lot better.”

A representative for YouTube declined to comment. The Wall Street Journal reported the agreement earlier.

YouTube’s settlement is the latest move by major technology and media firms to end expensive legal battles with Mr. Trump, who has accused social media platforms of censorship and claimed that media firms have defamed him.

Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, in January settled a similar lawsuit brought by Mr. Trump, agreeing to pay $25 million. X, the social media platform owned by Elon Musk and formerly known as Twitter, agreed in February to pay about $10 million to resolve a dispute about the 2021 suspension of Mr. Trump’s account.

Media companies have also made concessions to Mr. Trump. Paramount in July agreed to pay him $16 million to settle his lawsuit over the editing of a CBS “60 Minutes” interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris. ABC News agreed to pay $15 million in December to settle a defamation case filed by Mr. Trump against the network and one of its anchors, George Stephanopoulos.

Mr. Trump and his administration have ramped up pressure campaigns against his perceived enemies in recent months, including law firms that championed Democratic causes, prominent universities and media critics like Jimmy Kimmel. This month, Mr. Trump sued The New York Times, asking for $15 billion in damages. The lawsuit was dismissed, although Mr. Trump may refile.

Until recently, Mr. Trump’s lawsuits against the social media companies had largely stalled. A federal judge dismissed the case against Twitter in 2022, and judges had put the lawsuits against Meta and YouTube on ice.

X reinstated Mr. Trump’s account soon after Mr. Musk acquired the company in 2022, while YouTube and Meta restored his accounts in 2023.

“The law was on their side,” said Carl Tobias, a professor at the University of Richmond School of Law, who said the settlements were akin to “buying influence.”

The companies “do seem like they are currying favor with the presidential administration,” he added.

The $24.5 million settlement is a relatively small amount for Alphabet, which earned $9.7 billion in revenue from YouTube ads in the second quarter of the year, according to the company’s most recent earnings report.

Alphabet executives have spent time at the White House since Mr. Trump’s inauguration, working to repair a once-fractious relationship. Sundar Pichai, its chief executive, and Sergey Brin, a Google co-founder, attended a dinner with the president earlier this month focused on artificial intelligence.

Mr. Brin’s girlfriend, the wellness influencer Gerelyn Gilbert-Soto, celebrated YouTube’s settlement in a post on her Instagram story. “Well deserved. This kind of censorship was an abomination,” she wrote.

Last week, YouTube said it would reinstate content creators who were banned for violating its rules against misinformation related to Covid and the 2020 election. The streaming service also said it would relax some of its content moderation policies, in response to an investigation by Republicanlawmakers into whether social media companies restricted speech at the behest of the Biden administration.

Mr. Coale said the policy changes were discussed during settlement talks with YouTube but were not a condition.

“It’s better than it was back then,” Mr. Coale said. “There’s no government now pushing them to do anything, and I think that will stay in the future, no matter who wins the White House.”


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#5 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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好问题 —这件事是一个法律和政治争议的案例,下面我给你拆开来说为什么“油管(YouTube)给川普赔钱”的背景、法律动因和争议点。


一、事情经过与基本事实

  • 2021 年 1 月 6 日,美国国会大厦发生骚乱(“Capitol riot”)事件之后,YouTube 暂停了川普(Donald Trump)在该平台上的账号上传视频或发表某些内容。(The Washington Post)
  • 川普因此对 YouTube(及其母公司 Alphabet/Google)提起诉讼,声称平台在停用其账号的行为中“错误地”剥夺了他的言论权利或构成不公待遇。(The Guardian)
  • 最近 YouTube 与川普方面达成和解(settlement),同意支付约 2,450 万美元(部分报道为 2,200 万美元或 2,450 万美元,具体分配略有不同)来了结这起诉讼。(Reuters)
  • 在和解协议中,YouTube 并没有“承认错误”(i.e. 无认罪或责任承认条款),它只是选择用金钱解决争议以避免持续的法律风险或诉讼成本。(Reuters)
  • 根据公开报导,其中大部分赔款将用于某些与川普关联的项目(例如有报告说 $2,200 万将用于资助白宫的舞厅建设项目)或捐给信托机构。(Reuters)

二、为什么 YouTube 会“赔钱”(和解)—背后的法律和策略逻辑

YouTube 本质上选择“和解”而不是继续打下去,主要是因为以下几个原因:

原因解释
诉讼风险 / 法律不确定性虽然私人平台一般不受到宪法第一修正案的限制(即“言论自由”条款主要约束政府行为,不是私人公司行为),但在这类案件中,川普的主张可能绕过传统界限(例如说平台行为受“政府干预”影响等)或者成功在法院找到法律依据,使得继续打可能风险很高。
诉讼成本高长期打官司要投入巨额的律师费、诉讼费、法庭资源、媒体成本,而且诉讼结果不一定好。
公众/政治压力作为一家全球知名平台,YouTube 及其母公司 Google/Alphabet 面对政治和舆论压力都较大。与川普达成和解可以在一定程度缓解争议,减少负面宣传。
时间与不确定性折现有时达成和解比继续诉讼更“划算”:即使诉讼可能赢,公司也要等多年才能得到结果,而和解可以“立刻”关闭风险。
避免判例风险如果法院判决支持川普,那将成为对社交媒体平台行为有约束意义的判例。平台可能更愿意用和解避免判例出现。

所以,“赔钱”在法律语境里其实是一个商业和策略上的妥协,不一定意味着平台确实承认自己做错了什么。


三、和解并不意味着“宪法被改写”或平台原则必须变

要注意几点:

  • 在这个和解里,YouTube 并没有承认自己违法或承担责任。和解条款通常带有“非责任承认”(no admission of liability)条款。(Reuters)
  • 平台的政策(比如删除违规内容、封号规则等)一般来说仍然有效,不会因为这个和解就全面改变。新闻里也说 YouTube 不会在政策或产品方面做重大更改。(Reuters)
  • 该案的核心仍在“平台行为是否受法律约束”、“私人平台权力与公共利益之间的界限”等法律哲学、宪法解释和案件事实的交互。此案可能在未来被引用、被再讨论,但不能简单地得出“私人平台以后不能封禁人”这样结论。

如果你愿意的话,我可以进一步给你讲“为什么法院不会一开始就驳回川普诉 YouTube 的案子”(即这类诉讼在法律上的挑战点),还可以列几个类似案例给你比较。要吗?


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我们来详细拆解一下:为什么法院在川普诉 YouTube 这类案件里不会一上来就直接驳回(dismiss),而是让案件推进,甚至最终导致 YouTube 选择和解👇


🧾 一、案件的基本法律框架

通常,如果你起诉一家私人公司侵犯“言论自由”,法院会很快以「缺乏政府行为(state action)」为由驳回。
👉 因为第一修正案只约束政府,不约束私人公司。

但川普团队的策略不是这么简单。他们使用了两个切入点:

  1. 政府—平台“共同行动”论(Joint action / State compulsion)
    他们主张:平台对川普的封禁不是纯私人决定,而是在政府压力或暗示下做出的,实质上是“政府代理人”行为。
    → 如果法院认为这个说法“有可能成立”,案件就不能直接驳回,需要进入证据开示阶段(Discovery)来调查有没有政府施压的证据。

  2. 合同 / 平台规则不当适用
    除了宪法层面,川普团队也用民事合同法、商业不正当行为(unfair business practices)等角度起诉,声称平台不当或不一致地应用服务条款,对他构成损害。
    → 这种诉求往往不容易在初期被驳回,因为涉及具体事实认定。


⚖️ 二、法院早期不会直接驳回的几个法律要点

法律要点说明
1. 需要事实调查平台与政府是否有“共同行动”,不能只靠双方说辞,要调取通信、会议记录、邮件等。法院一般允许案件进入证据开示阶段。
2. 政治人物身份使得案子敏感被封的是前总统、2024大选候选人,法院通常会更谨慎对待,避免过早驳回后被批评有政治偏见。
3. 先例(precedent)并不完全排除这类案子例如 2021 年第九巡回法院在 PragerU v. YouTube 一案中判定 YouTube 不是“国家行为者”,但川普案中加上了“政府施压”的论点,是另一种法律路线。
4. Discovery(证据开示)对平台风险极大一旦进入证据开示,YouTube/Google 可能要交出与白宫、FBI、CDC 等的往来邮件,可能暴露内部审查机制。这对公司是重大 reputational risk(声誉风险)。

👉 这也解释了为什么平台可能宁愿和解,也不想让诉讼拖到“证据开示”阶段。


🏛 三、类似的先例案例

  1. Missouri v. Biden(2022–2024)
    多个州起诉联邦政府施压社交媒体删除疫情和选举相关言论。

    • 地方法院法官判政府行为“极可能违反第一修正案”,下达禁令。
    • 案子上诉到最高法院,2024 年夏季判决对某些禁令进行调整,但明确表示如果平台行为受到政府强压,可能构成“国家行动”。
      👉 这是川普律师的重要“助攻”判例。
  2. PragerU v. YouTube(2017–2021)
    保守派教育频道 PragerU 起诉 YouTube 限制其视频传播,结果法院裁定 YouTube 不是国家行为者(private actor),驳回诉讼。
    👉 川普团队刻意避免走这一条老路。

  3. Twitter Files 相关调查(2022 之后)
    曝光了 FBI、CDC 等机构与 Twitter 的邮件往来,证明政府确实曾“建议”平台删除某些言论。虽然不是强制命令,但足以让一些法官认为值得调查。


💰 四、YouTube为何选择和解(赔钱)而不是打到底

结合以上要点,你就能明白:

  • 川普的案子并非毫无胜算,他的律师团构建了一个“政府—平台联动”的论点。
  • 案子一旦进入证据开示,Google/YouTube 将面临数百封敏感邮件、会议纪要被公开的风险。
  • 即便最终赢得官司,过程中的政治风险、形象受损和股价波动都可能非常大。
    👉 所以从商业上看,和解 + 不承认责任 是最划算的退出方式。

📌 结论

法院不一上来就驳回这类案件,是因为:

  • 案件提出了实质性事实争议(是否受政府压力);
  • 涉及重大公众利益和敏感政治人物;
  • 涉及复杂的宪法与私权交界问题;
  • 允许进入证据开示能更全面调查。

这也是为什么这类案件常常以和解收场,而不是“川普输了”或“平台赢了”一刀切。


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就是合法行贿

Amazon就直接买川婆的盘,川宝上台前没人要的东西。也是$20M+ 的行情

大概就是每家大科技公司给个$20-30M换平安

什么买川婆的盘?川普的什么东西是$20M+ 的行情?
不交买路钱,他就会像冻结大学endowment那样刁难?……

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#8 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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你提到的这个问题确实非常关键,也是近年来美国舆论与法律领域最激烈的争议之一👇
在 2022–2024 年间,通过一系列泄漏文件(如 Twitter Files)、国会听证、州政府诉讼(如 Missouri v. Biden 案)等,的确揭露出大量联邦政府机构与社交媒体公司之间的密切协调与“舆论管理”行为
我来分条梳理一下这件事的发展与证据👇


🧾 一、“Twitter Files” 揭露的政府与平台合作

时间:2022 年 12 月起(马斯克收购 Twitter 后)
主角:记者 Matt Taibbi、Bari Weiss、Michael Shellenberger 等受邀进入 Twitter 内部查看文件,发布长帖系列

核心内容包括

  • FBI、DHS(国土安全部)、CDC(疾病控制中心)等联邦机构与 Twitter 之间存在专门的沟通管道,定期提交“问题帖列表”或“错误信息清单”,要求 Twitter 审查或下架相关内容。

  • 政府官员有时用“建议”(recommendation)、“标记”(flagging)等委婉方式,但从文件语气看,平台普遍将这些建议当作必须执行的指令。

  • 这些“审查”内容不只是针对恐怖主义或外国干预,也包括:

    • 疫情期间的口罩、疫苗质疑言论

    • 亨特·拜登笔电(Hunter Biden laptop)报道

    • 2020 选举相关信息

  • Twitter 内部员工也有讨论,部分人担心这是政府在越界,但高层往往选择配合。

👉 这批内部资料的公布,是美国历史上第一次较系统地揭示了政府与私营社媒在内容审查上的合作机制


🧭 二、Facebook(Meta)与白宫、FBI 的互动

2023–2024 年,众议院司法委员会和州政府调查还披露:

  • Facebook(Meta)与拜登政府的卫生官员和白宫数字战略团队有多轮会议,讨论“疫苗错误信息”的清理方式。
  • Meta CEO 扎克伯格后来在国会作证时承认:FBI 在 2020 年大选前曾私下提醒 Facebook“小心俄罗斯干预”,并暗示笔电报道可能是俄国虚假信息,这导致 Facebook 下调了该报道的传播权重(虽然没有完全删除)。
  • Facebook 的内部邮件也显示,平台有时并不完全认同政府的标准,但担心“关系恶化”或舆论反噬,最终配合了下架请求。

🏛 三、州政府诉联邦政府案:Missouri v. Biden

案件背景
2022 年,密苏里州和路易斯安那州联合起诉拜登政府,指控联邦机构(包括 FBI、CDC、白宫官员)通过“胁迫”或“合作”社交平台删除内容,构成对美国公民第一修正案的侵犯。

重要进展

  • 2023 年 7 月,联邦地方法官 Terry Doughty 发出禁令,认定政府的行为“极有可能”违反宪法第一修正案,称其为“现代版的思想警察”。
  • 法官特别指出:

“政府不能通过威胁或胁迫的方式,让私人公司完成它自己依法不能做的事。”

  • 2024 年 6 月,美国最高法院受理了此案,并对禁令的适用范围做了调整,但也没有否认“如果确有胁迫行为,这可能构成违宪”。

👉 这起案子实际上已经成为美国法学界关于“国家行为”与“私人平台责任”界限的标志性案件。


📌 四、关键事实小结

项目事实
✅ Twitter Files揭示了 FBI、CDC、DHS 等定期与 Twitter 协调审查内容
✅ Facebook 披露扎克伯格承认 FBI 曾暗示“笔电报道是俄国假新闻”,导致平台压制传播
✅ 白宫角色特别是在疫情期间,白宫官员积极向平台“施压”删除错误信息
✅ 法院初步认定Missouri v. Biden 地方法院认为这种政府-平台合作“可能违宪”

📝 五、争议焦点

这件事在美国社会内部也引发了巨大的分歧:

  • 🟦 批评方(多为保守派):认为这是一种“变相审查”,政府利用平台绕开宪法限制,严重威胁言论自由。
  • 🟥 辩护方(多为进步派):强调这是“公共卫生安全合作”与“打击虚假信息”,政府没有直接命令,只是提供信息,最终决定权仍在平台。

👉 所以,这不是“是不是发生”的问题(确实发生了),而是如何定性这些互动——是“合作”还是“胁迫”。


📎 总结

✅ 是的,后来揭露的确有 FBI、白宫、CDC 等对 Twitter、Facebook 等平台施压或强烈建议删除/压制特定舆论的行为。
✅ 这些事实不是阴谋论,而是通过文件、证词、法院文件被证实的。
⚖️ 法律上仍在争论这是否构成违宪行为,目前 Missouri v. Biden 是关键判例进展中的案件。


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#9 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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梅拉尼娅有个纪录片,一直标个几百万卖不出去,没人要。川宝一上台,amazon就找到她出资$20+M,拿下

川宝上台前就威胁要抓扎克伯格,也是通过法院给了他$20+M。现在都是座上宾了

wh 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:16

什么买川婆的盘?川普的什么东西是$20M+ 的行情?
不交买路钱,他就会像冻结大学endowment那样刁难?……

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#10 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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如果油管胜诉,是不是所有诉讼费等都由川普承担?
看新闻里说起诉twitter的官司2022年就dismiss了,起诉meta和油管的官司都被put on ice。那就算川普团队再次提诉,平台的赢面也非常大吧,不像是因为怕官司旷日持久或诉讼成本高而和解。musk接管twitter后给予赔偿,那是因为他那时和川普关系好是吧。meta和油管的赔款给人感觉就像送上门似的。当然民众不会知道他们之间有什么谈判。就是觉得川普好赚! :D

datoumao 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:12

好问题 —这件事是一个法律和政治争议的案例,下面我给你拆开来说为什么“油管(YouTube)给川普赔钱”的背景、法律动因和争议点。


一、事情经过与基本事实

  • 2021 年 1 月 6 日,美国国会大厦发生骚乱(“Capitol riot”)事件之后,YouTube 暂停了川普(Donald Trump)在该平台上的账号上传视频或发表某些内容。(The Washington Post)
  • 川普因此对 YouTube(及其母公司 Alphabet/Google)提起诉讼,声称平台在停用其账号的行为中“错误地”剥夺了他的言论权利或构成不公待遇。(The Guardian)
  • 最近 YouTube 与川普方面达成和解(settlement),同意支付约 2,450 万美元(部分报道为 2,200 万美元或 2,450 万美元,具体分配略有不同)来了结这起诉讼。(Reuters)
  • 在和解协议中,YouTube 并没有“承认错误”(i.e. 无认罪或责任承认条款),它只是选择用金钱解决争议以避免持续的法律风险或诉讼成本。(Reuters)
  • 根据公开报导,其中大部分赔款将用于某些与川普关联的项目(例如有报告说 $2,200 万将用于资助白宫的舞厅建设项目)或捐给信托机构。(Reuters)

二、为什么 YouTube 会“赔钱”(和解)—背后的法律和策略逻辑

YouTube 本质上选择“和解”而不是继续打下去,主要是因为以下几个原因:

原因解释
诉讼风险 / 法律不确定性虽然私人平台一般不受到宪法第一修正案的限制(即“言论自由”条款主要约束政府行为,不是私人公司行为),但在这类案件中,川普的主张可能绕过传统界限(例如说平台行为受“政府干预”影响等)或者成功在法院找到法律依据,使得继续打可能风险很高。
诉讼成本高长期打官司要投入巨额的律师费、诉讼费、法庭资源、媒体成本,而且诉讼结果不一定好。
公众/政治压力作为一家全球知名平台,YouTube 及其母公司 Google/Alphabet 面对政治和舆论压力都较大。与川普达成和解可以在一定程度缓解争议,减少负面宣传。
时间与不确定性折现有时达成和解比继续诉讼更“划算”:即使诉讼可能赢,公司也要等多年才能得到结果,而和解可以“立刻”关闭风险。
避免判例风险如果法院判决支持川普,那将成为对社交媒体平台行为有约束意义的判例。平台可能更愿意用和解避免判例出现。

所以,“赔钱”在法律语境里其实是一个商业和策略上的妥协,不一定意味着平台确实承认自己做错了什么。


三、和解并不意味着“宪法被改写”或平台原则必须变

要注意几点:

  • 在这个和解里,YouTube 并没有承认自己违法或承担责任。和解条款通常带有“非责任承认”(no admission of liability)条款。(Reuters)
  • 平台的政策(比如删除违规内容、封号规则等)一般来说仍然有效,不会因为这个和解就全面改变。新闻里也说 YouTube 不会在政策或产品方面做重大更改。(Reuters)
  • 该案的核心仍在“平台行为是否受法律约束”、“私人平台权力与公共利益之间的界限”等法律哲学、宪法解释和案件事实的交互。此案可能在未来被引用、被再讨论,但不能简单地得出“私人平台以后不能封禁人”这样结论。

如果你愿意的话,我可以进一步给你讲“为什么法院不会一开始就驳回川普诉 YouTube 的案子”(即这类诉讼在法律上的挑战点),还可以列几个类似案例给你比较。要吗?

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#11 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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本版有哪个川粉看过amazon的梅拉尼娅纪录片?

mmking 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:34

梅拉尼娅有个纪录片,一直标个几百万卖不出去,没人要。川宝一上台,amazon就找到她出资$20+M,拿下

川宝上台前就威胁要抓扎克伯格,也是通过法院给了他$20+M。现在都是座上宾了

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#12 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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对于川普和社交平台的官司,我的理解是和230条款有关。
基本上当初国会设立230免责法案就是希望这些大平台要给用户提供最大的言论自由度。所以当这些平台因为政治原因封了川普的账号,就和230条款的设立初衷相背。社媒心虚就是这个原因

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#13 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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mmking 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:34

梅拉尼娅有个纪录片,一直标个几百万卖不出去,没人要。川宝一上台,amazon就找到她出资$20+M,拿下

川宝上台前就威胁要抓扎克伯格,也是通过法院给了他$20+M。现在都是座上宾了

什么纪录片?
抓zuckerberg有啥理由?
看来都是政治势力的角逐和妥协……

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#14 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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wh 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:35

如果油管胜诉,是不是所有诉讼费等都由川普承担?
看新闻里说起诉twitter的官司2022年就dismiss了,起诉meta和油管的官司都被put on ice。那就算川普团队再次提诉,平台的赢面也非常大吧,不像是因为怕官司旷日持久或诉讼成本高而和解。musk接管twitter后给予赔偿,那是因为他那时和川普关系好是吧。meta和油管的赔款给人感觉就像送上门似的。当然民众不会知道他们之间有什么谈判。就是觉得川普好赚! :D

现在国会施压要重写230条款,油管哪敢硬刚啊

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#15 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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amazon出了$40M

https://m.economictimes.com/news/intern ... 435333.cms

wh 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:40

什么纪录片?
抓zuckerberg有啥理由?
看来都是政治势力的角逐和妥协……

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#16 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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小卒过河 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:40

对于川普和社交媒体的官司,我的理解是和230条款有关。
基本上当初国会设立230免责条款就是希望这些大平台要给用户提供最大的言论自由度。所以当这些平台因为政治原因封了川普的账号,就和230条款的设立初衷相背。社媒心虚就是这个原因

查了230条款:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hans/230%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE
该条款通常为网路服务供应商提供豁免权,使其不因用户生成的第三方内容而承担法律责任。
……第230(c)(2)条进一步提供了“好撒玛利亚人”保护条款,允许交互式计算机服务运营商出于善意删除或审核其认为“淫秽、猥亵、低俗、肮脏、过度暴力、骚扰或其他令人反感”的第三方内容,而无须承担民事责任,无论这些内容是否受宪法保护。

我记得他当时不断声称大选作弊,要求副总统否决大选结果,呼吁右派为他斗争。但几个州的法院审理大选作弊的官司,他的团队都败诉。两党互相虎视眈眈那么多年,但凡有一点可以扳倒对方的地方一定会大加利用。既然那么多官司都打输,那实在不该在没有实据的情况下不断声称作弊。他就是大嘴一张,什么不靠谱的话都说。但作为总统,他的影响力是巨大的。说话不靠谱,也让支持和反对他的人极端分裂。

社媒也一样影响力大。我们这么小的论坛也会删封煽动暴力、造谣传谣帖,不过会先警告,封禁也会循序渐进。这些大网站和国内媒体一样,都怕煽动人心的言论,人言可畏。不过一个网站做出了决定,事后再妥协赔款,总让人觉得前后不一致,没一点底气……

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#17 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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wh 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 01:08

查了230条款:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hans/230%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE
该条款通常为网路服务供应商提供豁免权,使其不因用户生成的第三方内容而承担法律责任。
……第230(c)(2)条进一步提供了“好撒玛利亚人”保护条款,允许交互式计算机服务运营商出于善意删除或审核其认为“淫秽、猥亵、低俗、肮脏、过度暴力、骚扰或其他令人反感”的第三方内容,而无须承担民事责任,无论这些内容是否受宪法保护。

我记得他当时不断声称大选作弊,要求副总统否决大选结果,呼吁右派为他斗争。但几个州的法院审理大选作弊的官司,他的团队都败诉。两党互相虎视眈眈那么多年,但凡有一点可以扳倒对方的地方一定会大加利用。既然那么多官司都打输,那实在不该在没有实据的情况下不断声称作弊。他就是大嘴一张,什么不靠谱的话都说。但作为总统,他的影响力是巨大的。说话不靠谱,也让支持和反对他的人极端分裂。

社媒也一样影响力大。我们这么小的论坛也会删封煽动暴力、造谣传谣帖,不过会先警告,封禁也会循序渐进。这些大网站和国内媒体一样,都怕煽动人心的言论,人言可畏。不过一个网站做出了决定,事后再妥协赔款,总让人觉得前后不一致,没一点底气……

我记得油管,推特,非死不可几个是2020年大选后几天内就封了川普的号,当时川普还没离开白宫。和后来的选举官司没啥关系。
川普落选后,几个大媒体确实有落井下石的嫌疑。川普对选举的公正性存疑,这个不犯法,也没超越一修范畴。所以我认为平台封号理由不充分。川普当时在各个平台的粉丝量都接近上亿,川普的流量收成应该有不少,被封号后就归零,对川普来讲造成了经济损失。现在川普回归,国会又在GOP手里,平台也心虚,不如识时务妥协

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#18 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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wh 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 00:09

我们地方群的人说这个官司真打的话川普打不赢。看到文章里也说川普的起诉要么被驳回,要么搁置。那是媒体平台向总统示好?不至于吧,花那么多钱示好有啥必要?

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#19 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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wh 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 01:08

查了230条款:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hans/230%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE
该条款通常为网路服务供应商提供豁免权,使其不因用户生成的第三方内容而承担法律责任。
……第230(c)(2)条进一步提供了“好撒玛利亚人”保护条款,允许交互式计算机服务运营商出于善意删除或审核其认为“淫秽、猥亵、低俗、肮脏、过度暴力、骚扰或其他令人反感”的第三方内容,而无须承担民事责任,无论这些内容是否受宪法保护。

我记得他当时不断声称大选作弊,要求副总统否决大选结果,呼吁右派为他斗争。但几个州的法院审理大选作弊的官司,他的团队都败诉。两党互相虎视眈眈那么多年,但凡有一点可以扳倒对方的地方一定会大加利用。既然那么多官司都打输,那实在不该在没有实据的情况下不断声称作弊。他就是大嘴一张,什么不靠谱的话都说。但作为总统,他的影响力是巨大的。说话不靠谱,也让支持和反对他的人极端分裂。

社媒也一样影响力大。我们这么小的论坛也会删封煽动暴力、造谣传谣帖,不过会先警告,封禁也会循序渐进。这些大网站和国内媒体一样,都怕煽动人心的言论,人言可畏。不过一个网站做出了决定,事后再妥协赔款,总让人觉得前后不一致,没一点底气……

非也非也,大选舞弊是和尚头上的狮子,只是法庭根本就不立案无法进入呈堂证供程序,当时不仅是民主党,即使是共和党都有一股强大的反川势力。这股势力在川普败选后的四年里才基本被川普清除干净。2020大选舞弊迟早会有真相大白的一天。

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#20 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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wh 写了: 2025年 9月 30日 01:08

查了230条款:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hans/230%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE
该条款通常为网路服务供应商提供豁免权,使其不因用户生成的第三方内容而承担法律责任。
……第230(c)(2)条进一步提供了“好撒玛利亚人”保护条款,允许交互式计算机服务运营商出于善意删除或审核其认为“淫秽、猥亵、低俗、肮脏、过度暴力、骚扰或其他令人反感”的第三方内容,而无须承担民事责任,无论这些内容是否受宪法保护。

我记得他当时不断声称大选作弊,要求副总统否决大选结果,呼吁右派为他斗争。但几个州的法院审理大选作弊的官司,他的团队都败诉。两党互相虎视眈眈那么多年,但凡有一点可以扳倒对方的地方一定会大加利用。既然那么多官司都打输,那实在不该在没有实据的情况下不断声称作弊。他就是大嘴一张,什么不靠谱的话都说。但作为总统,他的影响力是巨大的。说话不靠谱,也让支持和反对他的人极端分裂。

社媒也一样影响力大。我们这么小的论坛也会删封煽动暴力、造谣传谣帖,不过会先警告,封禁也会循序渐进。这些大网站和国内媒体一样,都怕煽动人心的言论,人言可畏。不过一个网站做出了决定,事后再妥协赔款,总让人觉得前后不一致,没一点底气……

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#21 Re: 为啥油管、Facebook和X给川普赔钱?

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这些年美国大平台Cancel Culture横行,导致众多右派大V被封号。国会里Gop 议员早已在讨论平台的言论管制是否恰当,特别是当平台明显压制一方的声音。如果这些平台不能保持政治中立,那么在当下的政治形势下,肯定会有后果


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