（转载）完了！突发！中国社会最新划分九大层级，将军们属于第几级？

[ReticulumZeta]

此帖转自 ReticulumZeta 在 军事天地（Military） 的帖子：完了！突发！中国社会最新划分九大层级，将军们属于第几级？

院士属于第3-4级

[mingliu]

出个文字概要版~~~

[changjiang]

新社会的臭老九是谁？

[牛河梁]

出个文字概要版~~~

同等

[cng]

應該只有倆：上桌的和上菜單的。

[Mobile]

This video, "铁打的营盘！中国社会金字塔的九大阶层，你在哪一层/直播精选" (Iron camp! China's social pyramid's nine major classes, which layer are you in / Live stream highlights), discusses an expert's analysis of China's nine-tiered social pyramid and the structure of its autocratic society.
​The nine layers are grouped into three main categories: Lower, Middle, and Upper Class.
​China's Nine Social Classes
​1. Lower Class (Layer 7-9) - Estimated 800 million to 1 billion people
This vast bottom tier struggles for survival and is characterized by a lack of upward mobility:
​Layer 9: The most struggling group, including bottom-level casual laborers in big cities and farmers in remote mountainous areas, who find it very difficult to be self-sufficient. [00:57]
​Layer 8: Workers in factories and general migrant workers. They can barely support themselves and have difficulty gaining a foothold in large or medium-sized cities. [01:26]
​Layer 7: Ordinary enterprise workers, marginalized system personnel, small business owners, and wealthy farmers. While they can gain a foothold in cities, they have hit their ceiling with no upward mobility. [01:47]
​2. Middle Class (Layer 4-6) - Estimated 150 million to 200 million people
The middle class is small compared to democratic societies, which makes it particularly fragile.
​Layer 6: Ordinary civil servants, employees of mainstream companies, university teachers, self-employed professionals, and common doctors/lawyers/engineers. They have some potential for minor upward movement. [02:26]
​Layer 5: Mid-level business owners, lower-ranking officials (chu and fu-chu level), professors, professional managers, and small celebrities in second/third-tier cities. They have their own careers but are generally disconnected from the upper class. [02:54]
​Layer 4: Senior officials (prefectural level with real power), top-level professionals (academics, famous doctors/lawyers), and mid-sized business owners. This is considered the ceiling for most ordinary people who have struggled for many years. [03:32]
​3. Upper Class (Layer 1-3) - Estimated over 10 million people (0.1% of the population holding 60% of the wealth)
This class is the power and wealth elite:
​Layer 3: Provincial/ministerial-level officials with real power, major business owners, and elite bankers. They influence a region or industry. [05:05]
​Layer 2: High-level officials (vice-national level, e.g., retired Politburo members) and major wealthy merchants (e.g., Jack Ma). They can significantly influence national policy (estimated fewer than 300 people). [05:35]
​Layer 1: The political elite at the very top (national level), forming the "aristocracy" of the Communist Party system (estimated around 30 living people). [06:03]
​Key Analysis of the System
​Solidification and Lack of Mobility: The speaker argues that the social structure is completely solidified, functioning as an "iron camp" where the system is entrenched and resistant to change. Upward mobility, especially from the lower to the upper class, is nearly impossible, requiring a "miracle." [08:24]
​Power and Wealth Alignment: China's structure is noted for the high degree of consistency between political power and economic wealth. Possessing political power guarantees massive economic resources, which contrasts with democratic countries where the two are often separated (e.g., US politicians who are not wealthy). [09:47]
​Comparison to Democratic Societies: Unlike China, democratic countries, particularly the US, do not suffer from severe solidification, offering a "level playing field" for people to rise through individual effort (e.g., figures like Elon Musk). Furthermore, democratic societies provide basic welfare to those at the bottom, which is not available to the Chinese lower class. [10:50]
​Call for Reform: The speaker concludes that the only way to change this "suffocating and entrenched" pyramid is through political system reform that can "smash this pyramid" and restore the hope of equal opportunity for all citizens. [16:01]

[rongrong2022]

第六层
但如果失业就是最底层吧

做节目这人有些丑，三角眼，还故意学卷舌音，挺做作的1人

[wh]

This video, "铁打的营盘！中国社会金字塔的九大阶层，你在哪一层/直播精选" (Iron camp! China's social pyramid's nine major classes, which layer are you in / Live stream highlights), discusses an expert's analysis of China's nine-tiered social pyramid and the structure of its autocratic society.
​The nine layers are grouped into three main categories: Lower, Middle, and Upper Class.
​China's Nine Social Classes
​1. Lower Class (Layer 7-9) - Estimated 800 million to 1 billion people
This vast bottom tier struggles for survival and is characterized by a lack of upward mobility:
​Layer 9: The most struggling group, including bottom-level casual laborers in big cities and farmers in remote mountainous areas, who find it very difficult to be self-sufficient. [00:57]
​Layer 8: Workers in factories and general migrant workers. They can barely support themselves and have difficulty gaining a foothold in large or medium-sized cities. [01:26]
​Layer 7: Ordinary enterprise workers, marginalized system personnel, small business owners, and wealthy farmers. While they can gain a foothold in cities, they have hit their ceiling with no upward mobility. [01:47]
​2. Middle Class (Layer 4-6) - Estimated 150 million to 200 million people
The middle class is small compared to democratic societies, which makes it particularly fragile.
​Layer 6: Ordinary civil servants, employees of mainstream companies, university teachers, self-employed professionals, and common doctors/lawyers/engineers. They have some potential for minor upward movement. [02:26]
​Layer 5: Mid-level business owners, lower-ranking officials (chu and fu-chu level), professors, professional managers, and small celebrities in second/third-tier cities. They have their own careers but are generally disconnected from the upper class. [02:54]
​Layer 4: Senior officials (prefectural level with real power), top-level professionals (academics, famous doctors/lawyers), and mid-sized business owners. This is considered the ceiling for most ordinary people who have struggled for many years. [03:32]
​3. Upper Class (Layer 1-3) - Estimated over 10 million people (0.1% of the population holding 60% of the wealth)
This class is the power and wealth elite:
​Layer 3: Provincial/ministerial-level officials with real power, major business owners, and elite bankers. They influence a region or industry. [05:05]
​Layer 2: High-level officials (vice-national level, e.g., retired Politburo members) and major wealthy merchants (e.g., Jack Ma). They can significantly influence national policy (estimated fewer than 300 people). [05:35]
​Layer 1: The political elite at the very top (national level), forming the "aristocracy" of the Communist Party system (estimated around 30 living people). [06:03]
​Key Analysis of the System
​Solidification and Lack of Mobility: The speaker argues that the social structure is completely solidified, functioning as an "iron camp" where the system is entrenched and resistant to change. Upward mobility, especially from the lower to the upper class, is nearly impossible, requiring a "miracle." [08:24]
​Power and Wealth Alignment: China's structure is noted for the high degree of consistency between political power and economic wealth. Possessing political power guarantees massive economic resources, which contrasts with democratic countries where the two are often separated (e.g., US politicians who are not wealthy). [09:47]
​Comparison to Democratic Societies: Unlike China, democratic countries, particularly the US, do not suffer from severe solidification, offering a "level playing field" for people to rise through individual effort (e.g., figures like Elon Musk). Furthermore, democratic societies provide basic welfare to those at the bottom, which is not available to the Chinese lower class. [10:50]
​Call for Reform: The speaker concludes that the only way to change this "suffocating and entrenched" pyramid is through political system reform that can "smash this pyramid" and restore the hope of equal opportunity for all citizens. [16:01]

英语版太长了……

[ReticulumZeta]

英语版太长了……

白宫的财富在国内估计前 1/1000

[牛河梁]

第一级很不稳定啊。铁打的level one，流水的29人。

This video, "铁打的营盘！中国社会金字塔的九大阶层，你在哪一层/直播精选" (Iron camp! China's social pyramid's nine major classes, which layer are you in / Live stream highlights), discusses an expert's analysis of China's nine-tiered social pyramid and the structure of its autocratic society.
​The nine layers are grouped into three main categories: Lower, Middle, and Upper Class.
​China's Nine Social Classes
​1. Lower Class (Layer 7-9) - Estimated 800 million to 1 billion people
This vast bottom tier struggles for survival and is characterized by a lack of upward mobility:
​Layer 9: The most struggling group, including bottom-level casual laborers in big cities and farmers in remote mountainous areas, who find it very difficult to be self-sufficient. [00:57]
​Layer 8: Workers in factories and general migrant workers. They can barely support themselves and have difficulty gaining a foothold in large or medium-sized cities. [01:26]
​Layer 7: Ordinary enterprise workers, marginalized system personnel, small business owners, and wealthy farmers. While they can gain a foothold in cities, they have hit their ceiling with no upward mobility. [01:47]
​2. Middle Class (Layer 4-6) - Estimated 150 million to 200 million people
The middle class is small compared to democratic societies, which makes it particularly fragile.
​Layer 6: Ordinary civil servants, employees of mainstream companies, university teachers, self-employed professionals, and common doctors/lawyers/engineers. They have some potential for minor upward movement. [02:26]
​Layer 5: Mid-level business owners, lower-ranking officials (chu and fu-chu level), professors, professional managers, and small celebrities in second/third-tier cities. They have their own careers but are generally disconnected from the upper class. [02:54]
​Layer 4: Senior officials (prefectural level with real power), top-level professionals (academics, famous doctors/lawyers), and mid-sized business owners. This is considered the ceiling for most ordinary people who have struggled for many years. [03:32]
​3. Upper Class (Layer 1-3) - Estimated over 10 million people (0.1% of the population holding 60% of the wealth)
This class is the power and wealth elite:
​Layer 3: Provincial/ministerial-level officials with real power, major business owners, and elite bankers. They influence a region or industry. [05:05]
​Layer 2: High-level officials (vice-national level, e.g., retired Politburo members) and major wealthy merchants (e.g., Jack Ma). They can significantly influence national policy (estimated fewer than 300 people). [05:35]
​Layer 1: The political elite at the very top (national level), forming the "aristocracy" of the Communist Party system (estimated around 30 living people). [06:03]
​Key Analysis of the System
​Solidification and Lack of Mobility: The speaker argues that the social structure is completely solidified, functioning as an "iron camp" where the system is entrenched and resistant to change. Upward mobility, especially from the lower to the upper class, is nearly impossible, requiring a "miracle." [08:24]
​Power and Wealth Alignment: China's structure is noted for the high degree of consistency between political power and economic wealth. Possessing political power guarantees massive economic resources, which contrasts with democratic countries where the two are often separated (e.g., US politicians who are not wealthy). [09:47]
​Comparison to Democratic Societies: Unlike China, democratic countries, particularly the US, do not suffer from severe solidification, offering a "level playing field" for people to rise through individual effort (e.g., figures like Elon Musk). Furthermore, democratic societies provide basic welfare to those at the bottom, which is not available to the Chinese lower class. [10:50]
​Call for Reform: The speaker concludes that the only way to change this "suffocating and entrenched" pyramid is through political system reform that can "smash this pyramid" and restore the hope of equal opportunity for all citizens. [16:01]

[wmysh]

典型的地命海心

[ReticulumZeta]

第一级很不稳定啊。铁打的level one，流水的29人。

退休正国级应该算 1.5级别

[牛河梁]

退休正国级应该算 1.5级别

老牛一亲戚搭桥4次。退休正国级活得可能也没那么好。

[fukwumao]

狗狗翻译

铁军营！中国社会金字塔的九大阶层，你在哪一层？（直播精彩片段）探讨了专家对中国九层社会金字塔及其专制社会结构的分析。
​九层社会金字塔又分为三​​大类：底层、中层和上层。
​中国的九大社会阶层
​1. 底层（第七至第九层）—— 估计约有8亿至10亿人
这个庞大的底层群体，生存举步维艰，缺乏向上的流动性：
​第九层：最艰难的群体，包括大城市底层的临时工和偏远山区的农民，他们很难自给自足。[00:57]
​第八层：工厂工人和普通农民工。他们几乎无法养活自己，也难以在大中城市立足。 [01:26]
​第七层：普通企业工人、边缘体制人员、小企业主和富裕农民。他们虽然可以在城市立足，但已经触及天花板，缺乏向上的流动性。[01:47]
​2. 中产阶级（第四至第六层）——估计约1.5亿至2亿人
与民主社会相比，中产阶级规模较小，因此尤为脆弱。
​第六层：普通公务员、主流企业员工、大学教师、个体经营者以及普通医生/律师/工程师。他们拥有一定的向上流动潜力。[02:26]
​第五层：二三线城市的中层企业主、基层官员（处级和副处级）、教授、职业经理人和小明星。他们有自己的事业，但通常与上层社会脱节。 [02:54]
​第四层：高级官员（拥有实权的地级以上官员）、顶级专业人士（学者、知名医生/律师）以及中型企业主。这被认为是大多数奋斗多年的普通民众的上限。[03:32]
​3. 上层阶级（1-3层）——估计超过1000万人（0.1%的人口掌握着60%的财富）
这个阶层是权力和财富的精英：
​第三层：拥有实权的省部级官员、大型企业主和银行精英。他们能够影响某个地区或行业。[05:05]
​第二层：高级官员（副国家级官员，例如退休的政治局委员）和大型富商（例如马云）。他们可以对国家政策产生重大影响（估计不到300人）。 [05:35]
​第一层：处于最高层（国家层面）的政治精英，构成了共产党体制的“贵族”（估计在世人数约为30人）。[06:03]
​体制关键分析
​固化与缺乏流动性：演讲者认为，社会结构已经完全固化，如同一个“铁壁”，体制根深蒂固，难以变革。向上流动，尤其是从底层向上层流动，几乎不可能，需要“奇迹”才能实现。[08:24]
​权财匹配：中国的社会结构以政治权力与经济财富高度匹配而著称。拥有政治权力意味着拥有巨额经济资源，这与民主国家的政治权力与经济财富往往截然相反（例如，美国政客并不富裕）。 [09:47]
​与民主社会的比较：与中国不同，民主国家，尤其是美国，没有严重的固化现象，为人们通过个人努力（例如像埃隆·马斯克这样的人物）提供了“公平的竞争环境”。此外，民主社会为底层民众提供基本福利，而中国底层民众则无法享受这些福利。[10:50]
​呼吁改革：演讲者总结道，改变这个“令人窒息且根深蒂固”的金字塔的唯一途径是通过政治体制改革来“摧毁这个金字塔”，恢复所有公民享有平等机会的希望。[16:01]

[Sunland]

第一第二级要求标准太高了，总共300多人。
第三级“ 拥有实权的省部级官员、大型企业主和银行精英” 能有一千万？省部级连带家属1万都不到吧？

[mmking]

头三层的人隔几年就换一波

赖着不走的要么抬下去要么关秦城

[mmking]

自媒体忽悠流量的

第一第二级要求标准太高了，总共300多人。
第三级“ 拥有实权的省部级官员、大型企业主和银行精英” 能有一千万？省部级连带家属1万都不到吧？

[牛河梁]

头三层的人隔几年就换一波

赖着不走的要么抬下去要么关秦城

所以还是第四级最铁啊

[mmking]

4/5级比较稳

所以还是第四级最铁啊

[xueba001]

第五层往上就是管人的了，第六层往下就是被管的

狗狗翻译

铁军营！中国社会金字塔的九大阶层，你在哪一层？（直播精彩片段）探讨了专家对中国九层社会金字塔及其专制社会结构的分析。
​九层社会金字塔又分为三​​大类：底层、中层和上层。
​中国的九大社会阶层
​1. 底层（第七至第九层）—— 估计约有8亿至10亿人
这个庞大的底层群体，生存举步维艰，缺乏向上的流动性：
​第九层：最艰难的群体，包括大城市底层的临时工和偏远山区的农民，他们很难自给自足。[00:57]
​第八层：工厂工人和普通农民工。他们几乎无法养活自己，也难以在大中城市立足。 [01:26]
​第七层：普通企业工人、边缘体制人员、小企业主和富裕农民。他们虽然可以在城市立足，但已经触及天花板，缺乏向上的流动性。[01:47]
​2. 中产阶级（第四至第六层）——估计约1.5亿至2亿人
与民主社会相比，中产阶级规模较小，因此尤为脆弱。
​第六层：普通公务员、主流企业员工、大学教师、个体经营者以及普通医生/律师/工程师。他们拥有一定的向上流动潜力。[02:26]
​第五层：二三线城市的中层企业主、基层官员（处级和副处级）、教授、职业经理人和小明星。他们有自己的事业，但通常与上层社会脱节。 [02:54]
​第四层：高级官员（拥有实权的地级以上官员）、顶级专业人士（学者、知名医生/律师）以及中型企业主。这被认为是大多数奋斗多年的普通民众的上限。[03:32]
​3. 上层阶级（1-3层）——估计超过1000万人（0.1%的人口掌握着60%的财富）
这个阶层是权力和财富的精英：
​第三层：拥有实权的省部级官员、大型企业主和银行精英。他们能够影响某个地区或行业。[05:05]
​第二层：高级官员（副国家级官员，例如退休的政治局委员）和大型富商（例如马云）。他们可以对国家政策产生重大影响（估计不到300人）。 [05:35]
​第一层：处于最高层（国家层面）的政治精英，构成了共产党体制的“贵族”（估计在世人数约为30人）。[06:03]
​体制关键分析
​固化与缺乏流动性：演讲者认为，社会结构已经完全固化，如同一个“铁壁”，体制根深蒂固，难以变革。向上流动，尤其是从底层向上层流动，几乎不可能，需要“奇迹”才能实现。[08:24]
​权财匹配：中国的社会结构以政治权力与经济财富高度匹配而著称。拥有政治权力意味着拥有巨额经济资源，这与民主国家的政治权力与经济财富往往截然相反（例如，美国政客并不富裕）。 [09:47]
​与民主社会的比较：与中国不同，民主国家，尤其是美国，没有严重的固化现象，为人们通过个人努力（例如像埃隆·马斯克这样的人物）提供了“公平的竞争环境”。此外，民主社会为底层民众提供基本福利，而中国底层民众则无法享受这些福利。[10:50]
​呼吁改革：演讲者总结道，改变这个“令人窒息且根深蒂固”的金字塔的唯一途径是通过政治体制改革来“摧毁这个金字塔”，恢复所有公民享有平等机会的希望。[16:01]