終於有人管管腦殘隱藏把手

[iMaJia]

就像fsd，明明是可以给人类驾驶带来很大的便利，有些人就是疯狂的反对，甚至还要国家立法禁止。让我很无语。只能感叹世上傻逼之多。

鐵絲拉有好的地方，有不好的地方。就這個腦殘門把，99%人不會用，不喜歡，就是教科書級別的典型反人類。

[iMaJia]

我前一阵还贴过新闻，两家老中开minivan出车祸，老婆和娃一共6个人都被活活烧死。就是因为一边的滑动门卡住了打不开。
等到另一边的门好不容易撬开后，火势太大已经没法救了。
两个爸爸看着自己的老婆孩子活活烧死。

The van burst into flames with the women and children inside. "Words can't describe it," Williams said. "It was very horrific seeing them try to get their families out, us trying to help get their families out."

He said the sliding door on the driver's side of the van was jammed, but Li and Ng were able to open the sliding door on the passenger side.

"By the time they were able to open that door the flames were already overtaking the vehicle," Romero said.

But the fire was too intense. Ultimately, the officers had to hold back the men, each a father of two. "They had burns on their arms and faces from trying to get their families out," Williams said.

你認為是 minivan 開不了門的機率大，個案多，還是鐵絲拉門把開不了的幾率大數量多？

[ignius]

你做过调查99%的人不会用？

鐵絲拉有好的地方，有不好的地方。就這個腦殘門把，99%人不會用，不喜歡，就是教科書級別的典型反人類。

[ignius]

我认为一旦出了能达到起火级别的车祸，啥门设计都不管用。
要想少死人，就要大力发展fsd，让机器取代人类驾驶。这样才能真正减少车祸死亡。而不是去改什么门把手的设计。

你認為是 minivan 開不了門的機率大，個案多，還是鐵絲拉門把開不了的幾率大數量多？

[geniushanbiao]

瞎扯淡。人家用这个是觉得高端大气，所以奔驰法拉利都用了这个设计。只有傻逼才会认为因为不可靠才用。

自己不懂就少说两句。人家在超跑上用是有道理的。很多这种超跑都是为了那么一点点性能，极尽可能的减重、降低风阻。最近有个study看了看隐藏式门把手能降低多少风阻，结果就是cod降低0.0001%，空气阻力降低0.12%，这么一点变化根本就是微不足道。随便整个轮毂盖或者优化下后视镜都能降低6%的风阻。而隐藏式门把手的代价是降低的安全性和增加故障率，这一点奔驰宝马都知道，所以他们只会在这种极致追求性能的高端型号上采用而不会把这种不靠谱的设计放在主流型号上。

所以现在国内开始讨论禁止这种隐藏式门把手了。有时间多看看吧，不要总活在特斯拉的梦里面。你看现在特斯拉的这些脑残设计，什么单踏板，隐藏门把手，在国内都被禁或者要被禁了。你觉得这说明了什么？

[ignius]

还是改变不了奔驰引领起来这个风潮的事实。

国内还有大防火墙呢，你说能代表啥？

自己不懂就少说两句。人家在超跑上用是有道理的。很多这种超跑都是为了那么一点点性能，极尽可能的减重、降低风阻。最近有个study看了看隐藏式门把手能降低多少风阻，结果就是cod降低0.0001%，空气阻力降低0.12%，这么一点变化根本就是微不足道。随便整个轮毂盖或者优化下后视镜都能降低6%的风阻。而隐藏式门把手的代价是降低的安全性和增加故障率，这一点奔驰宝马都知道，所以他们只会在这种极致追求性能的高端型号上采用而不会把这种不靠谱的设计放在主流型号上。

所以现在国内开始讨论禁止这种隐藏式门把手了。有时间多看看吧，不要总活在特斯拉的梦里面。你看现在特斯拉的这些脑残设计，什么单踏板，隐藏门把手，在国内都被禁或者要被禁了。你觉得这说明了什么？

[geniushanbiao]

我前一阵还贴过新闻，两家老中开minivan出车祸，老婆和娃一共6个人都被活活烧死。就是因为一边的滑动门卡住了打不开。
等到另一边的门好不容易撬开后，火势太大已经没法救了。
两个爸爸看着自己的老婆孩子活活烧死。

The van burst into flames with the women and children inside. "Words can't describe it," Williams said. "It was very horrific seeing them try to get their families out, us trying to help get their families out."

He said the sliding door on the driver's side of the van was jammed, but Li and Ng were able to open the sliding door on the passenger side.

"By the time they were able to open that door the flames were already overtaking the vehicle," Romero said.

But the fire was too intense. Ultimately, the officers had to hold back the men, each a father of two. "They had burns on their arms and faces from trying to get their families out," Williams said.

火烧得这么快的事故本来就是极小概率。实际上就说这起事故，他们还是把另一侧的门打开了啊，只是火烧太快了。你家特斯拉多少起事故撞了车从外面里面都打不开车门的你怎么不提呢？

[iMaJia]

你做过调查99%的人不会用？

google "do people like tesla door handle"

AI summary:

People have mixed feelings about Tesla door handles; while many find the flush, futuristic design appealing, a significant number dislike them due to poor ergonomics, difficulty of use, and safety concerns like potential failure after accidents. The retractable handles on the Model S are generally better received than the push-to-open design on the Model 3 and Y, but the latter offers some aerodynamic benefits and lower complexity. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Reasons people dislike them

• Poor ergonomics and counterintuitive design: The handles on the Model 3 and Y require a specific push-then-pull motion that many users find awkward and difficult to discover without instruction.
• Difficult to find in the dark: The flush design makes them hard to locate in low light or bad weather, leading to fumbling.
• One-handed use challenges: Opening the door with a single hand while carrying items is often difficult and requires an awkward hand position.
• Non-ambidextrous operation: On some models, the design requires a different hand (left or right) for the driver and passenger side doors. [2, 6, 7]

Safety concerns

• Risk of entrapment: In some cases, the electronic handles can fail after a crash, trapping occupants inside because the hidden mechanical release is inaccessible from the outside.
• Inadequate emergency access: The lack of a readily apparent mechanical backup makes it difficult for first responders to gain access to the vehicle after an accident. [4, 8]

Reasons people like them (or find them acceptable)

• Aesthetic appeal: The futuristic, flush design is a unique selling point for many Tesla owners.
• Aerodynamic benefits: Recessed door handles, like those on Tesla, are designed to reduce drag, which improves efficiency and range.
• Model S design: The auto-presenting handles on the Model S are generally considered an improvement over the button-press design on the Model 3 and Y. [1, 3, 5, 8, 9]

AI responses may include mistakes.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/ca ... /27551453/
[2] 
[3] https://www.quora.com/Do-you-prefer-the ... la-Model-S
[4] 
[5] https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Tesla-doo ... -their-car
[6] 
[7] 
[8] 
[9] https://www.vanarama.com/blog/cars/why- ... or-handles

[geniushanbiao]

还是改变不了奔驰引领起来这个风潮的事实。

国内还有大防火墙呢，你说能代表啥？

胡搅蛮缠数你最牛。看来是最近股票赔了心情不好？

[ignius]

车祸打不开滑动门的例子可不少。你不是问我有看到过滑动门车祸后卡住的吗？我给你找了个例子而已

火烧得这么快的事故本来就是极小概率。实际上就说这起事故，他们还是把另一侧的门打开了啊，只是火烧太快了。你家特斯拉多少起事故撞了车从外面里面都打不开车门的你怎么不提呢？

[ignius]

lol，你在说梦话呢吗？哥最近股票大赚特赚。你没看tsla现在多少了吗？半年里翻番。否则哥哪有钱买那么多tesla开

胡搅蛮缠数你最牛。看来是最近股票赔了心情不好？

[ignius]

我没看到99%这个数字。

google "do people like tesla door handle"

AI summary:

People have mixed feelings about Tesla door handles; while many find the flush, futuristic design appealing, a significant number dislike them due to poor ergonomics, difficulty of use, and safety concerns like potential failure after accidents. The retractable handles on the Model S are generally better received than the push-to-open design on the Model 3 and Y, but the latter offers some aerodynamic benefits and lower complexity. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Reasons people dislike them

• Poor ergonomics and counterintuitive design: The handles on the Model 3 and Y require a specific push-then-pull motion that many users find awkward and difficult to discover without instruction.
• Difficult to find in the dark: The flush design makes them hard to locate in low light or bad weather, leading to fumbling.
• One-handed use challenges: Opening the door with a single hand while carrying items is often difficult and requires an awkward hand position.
• Non-ambidextrous operation: On some models, the design requires a different hand (left or right) for the driver and passenger side doors. [2, 6, 7]

Safety concerns

• Risk of entrapment: In some cases, the electronic handles can fail after a crash, trapping occupants inside because the hidden mechanical release is inaccessible from the outside.
• Inadequate emergency access: The lack of a readily apparent mechanical backup makes it difficult for first responders to gain access to the vehicle after an accident. [4, 8]

Reasons people like them (or find them acceptable)

• Aesthetic appeal: The futuristic, flush design is a unique selling point for many Tesla owners.
• Aerodynamic benefits: Recessed door handles, like those on Tesla, are designed to reduce drag, which improves efficiency and range.
• Model S design: The auto-presenting handles on the Model S are generally considered an improvement over the button-press design on the Model 3 and Y. [1, 3, 5, 8, 9]

AI responses may include mistakes.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/ca ... /27551453/
[2] 
[3] https://www.quora.com/Do-you-prefer-the ... la-Model-S
[4] 
[5] https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Tesla-doo ... -their-car
[6] 
[7] 
[8] 
[9] https://www.vanarama.com/blog/cars/why- ... or-handles

[iMaJia]

我没看到99%这个数字。

本站都說自自己是 53, 就真的都是 53 嗎

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[ignius]

我是理科生，讲究用精确数字。

本站都說自自己是 53, 就真的都是 53 嗎

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[iMaJia]

我是理科生，讲究用精确数字。

和鑽牛角尖只是一線之隔

[iMaJia]

我是理科生，讲究用精确数字。

而且你去找 100個沒坐過 毛豆3 的人，看看是不是99個第一次不會開門。

學會後，過幾個月重測，估計88個又不會開了

[ignius]

你自己给的数字，你自己去测试。
我家娃第一次开Y的门，都是10秒钟内就figure out了。所以门把手对我家来说从来都不是事。我很惊讶为什么这么多人会觉得这个设计脑残。这个对我来说太微不足道的事了。

而且你去找 100個沒坐過 毛豆3 的人，看看是不是99個第一次不會開門。

過幾個月重測，估計88個又不會開了

[geniushanbiao]

你自己给的数字，你自己去测试。
我家娃第一次开Y的门，都是10秒钟内就figure out了。

10秒，笑死人了。正常车开门2秒都用不了。

[iMaJia]

10秒，笑死人了。正常车开门2秒都用不了。

可能真的是智力高的人才配鐵絲拉。門把就是一個智力測試。嗯

[ignius]

2秒难道不是10秒之内吗？

10秒，笑死人了。正常车开门2秒都用不了。