即使带了也不知道要用。连你自己都不知道E系列的这种门把手设计。是我告诉你你才去查到的吧？lol
碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
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#42 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
ignius 写了： 2025年 10月 16日 13:20idiot
Just a little warning to you fellow RAV4 owners out there and maybe an excuse to get Toyota to take a deeper look at your car. My 2020 RAV4 LE caught fire almost a month ago now after sitting, parked, at my job for 9 hours in sub 30 deg weather. The fire department report states that the fire originated from the “fuel pump or surrounding area” but Toyota has to conduct their own investigation which might take until March to complete. I’ll be honest, I loved this car it was a joy to drive and I had a number of plans for it going forward but based on what I’ve looked into since this fire, this is not an uncommon occurrence. In many models 2020 and past there is a “parasitic battery drain” defect where the ECU has a constant draw on the battery and fires have been known to spark because of it.
人家还没调查完呢，先别急着下结论。看上去最大的可能是这一个型号的设计问题或者这一批车的装配问题，不是技术问题。锂电池自燃是技术本身的问题，属于自然定律。
除了这一件还有吗？你家特斯拉停在那自燃已经不下10起了哦。
#44 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
还有很多。比比皆是。不信你自己放狗搜
geniushanbiao 写了： 2025年 10月 16日 13:27人家还没调查完呢，先别急着下结论。看上去最大的可能是这一个型号的设计问题或者这一批车的装配问题，不是技术问题。锂电池自燃是技术本身的问题，属于自然定律。
除了这一件还有吗？你家特斯拉停在那自燃已经不下10起了哦。
#45 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
我家contractor一辆开了十几年的GMC Savana上次差点着火，因为driver地板下面的电线因为长期和脚/脚垫摩擦破了皮短路了。你可以把这种事算上。
#46 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
你说的这种属于小菜。看看停车场油车爆炸的：
https://www.jalopnik.com/1921867/car-ex ... rking-lot/
geniushanbiao 写了： 2025年 10月 16日 13:30我家contractor一辆开了十几年的GMC Savana上次差点着火，因为driver地板下面的电线因为长期和脚/脚垫摩擦破了皮短路了。你可以把这种事算上。
#48 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
再看看宝马最近的大新闻：
BMW tells nearly 200,000 vehicle owners to park outside because their cars could short circuit and catch fire
BMW studied 10 vehicles that caught fire, prompting this recall, however they reported no injuries or accidents.
Approximately 196,355 BMW vehicles, mostly manufactured between 2019 and 2022, are being recalled because “the engine starter relay may corrode, causing the relay to overheat and short circuit,” NHTSA said in a news release.
The recalled models are:
2019-2022 BMW Z4
2019-2021 BMW 330i
2020-2022 BMW X3
2020-2022 BMW X4
2020-2022 BMW 530i
2021-2022 BMW 430i standard and convertible
2022 BMW 230i
2020 - 2022 Toyota Supra
#50 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
所以说你这人不懂逻辑，脑子里都是体育老师教的狗屁。
油车爆炸都是有原因的，要么是车没装好要么是没保养好或者漏油还遇到火什么的，不会无缘无故起火爆炸。这道理就像你在学校实验室里面handle危险品一样。这些危险品都有严格的handle规章，比如不能在一般的fume hood里面搞高氯酸之类的。你要是不听劝硬要这么去搞，把实验室炸了，谁的错？这些危险品如果发生爆炸，都是有原因的，不会说你严格按照handling规则把高氯酸存在容器里面放在该放的柜子里哪天它会自己爆炸。
反过来锂电池就不一样了，锂电池属于那种你把它放在那，follow了所有safe handling的规定，它仍然可以无缘无故起火爆炸的东西。就像一个不定时炸弹，给你个说明safe handle procedure，但是有个warning：就算你严格按照safe handle procedure做事，这玩意仍然随时可能炸。
看出区别了么？
#52 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
我就算不知道，看到这个把手我第一时间就知道应该怎么做，这就是奔驰设计东西优秀的地方。你家特斯拉提回家你孩子不是还得花几分钟figure out怎么开门么？这就是垃圾的设计。
#53 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
接着来，GM的recall
Chevrolet Silverado medium-duty truck recall (June 2025)
In June 2025, GM announced a recall for certain 2019–2024 Chevrolet Silverado 4500HD, 5500HD, and 6500HD trucks due to a fire risk from a short circuit.
The defect: A faulty brake pressure sensor assembly can leak brake fluid into the brake pressure switch. This fluid can cause an electrical short, leading to excessive heat and a potential under-hood fire.
The risk: Fires can occur even when the vehicle is turned off and parked.
Safety warning: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and GM have advised owners to park these vehicles outside and away from structures until the repair is completed.
#55 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
看看福特的
Vehicle models affected and the cause of the fire
2020 Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator: A short circuit in the battery junction box can cause an engine fire while driving or parked. This is due to improper solder mask coverage and limited conformal coating on the circuit board.
Certain models with engine block heaters: An engine block heater may crack and develop a coolant leak, which can then short-circuit. This recall affects models like the Lincoln MKC, Explorer, Fusion, Bronco Sport, and Maverick.
What owners should do
For owners of 2020 Expedition and Lincoln Navigator: Park the vehicle outside and away from structures until the repair is completed.
#56 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
奔驰的
Mercedes-Benz should be issuing a recall of over 800,000 vehicles for a defect in the cooling pump which has led to numerous fires in their cars. They are not issuing a formal recall because they say they cannot fix the problem. The scary part is apparently the fires may be starting in Mercedes vehicles both being driven and just sitting parked.
Attorney Karen Terry, a shareholder in the law firm of Searcy Denney Scarola Barnhart & Shipley, is investigating cases associated with these fires.
In February of 2020, a Mercedes SUV mysteriously ignited on fire while sitting in a dealership show room.
In December of 2021, a photographer discovered a Mercedes-Benz parked in front of a school as it started on fire.
In January, 2021, it was reported that a brand new Mercedes-Benz caught fire during a family trip. The father noticed white smoke coming from the rear of the vehicle, a Mercedes SUV, and pulled over. The alarmed parents barely exited the vehicle before it was engulfed in flames.
In March of 2021, a Mercedes-Benz caught fire in a Michigan parking lot and it, along with three other vehicles was rapidly engulfed in flames.
In February 2022, a local couple in Florida noticed a strange smell and were able to exit the vehicle and get their little baby out before it lit up in flames.
Apparently a leak develops in the cooling pump of the vehicles, which would normally only be a danger to the engine overheating. In these vehicle, it is reported the cooling pump is leaking onto heated components in the engine compartments and igniting. The vehicles are engulfed in flames within minutes.
This is not the first fire problem with Mercedes Benz vehicles. In 2016, Mercedes-Benz issued a recall reporting electrical overload in vehicles was linked to fires.
In the current recall, Mercedes-Benz sent letters to owners of 800,000 vehicles and advised the owners to drive “…in a particularly prudent manner and usage reduced to the bare minimum”. So, don’t drive your vehicle which cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, but if you do, be prepared to exit quickly, and run fast.
Apparently, according to the manufacturer, parts needed to repair the defect are “not immediately available” but repairs would be launched as soon as components are available. That was in January of this year and as far as we know, the repairs have still not been made to recalled vehicles.
The involved Mercedes-Benz vehicles include:
GLE/GLS (167 platform)
C-Class (205 platform)
E-Class (213 platform)
S-Class (222 platform)
S-Class (223 platform)
E-Class Coupe/Convertible (238 platform)
GLC (253 platform)
CLS (257 platform) and
G-Class (463 platform)
Mercedes has concluded an actual recall is useless until parts to repair the defect become available, but that availability is unknown. Mercedes-Benz owners and their families, some with no knowledge of their vehicle’s defects, continue to drive dangerous, fire prone vehicles.
Should you be an owner of a Mercedes-Benz vehicle, be alerted to smells of smoke, white or black smoke emitting from your vehicle, or signs of actual fire. You may want to park your vehicle in a driveway rather than in your garage.
#57 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
ignius 写了： 2025年 10月 16日 13:55看看福特的
Vehicle models affected and the cause of the fire
2020 Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator: A short circuit in the battery junction box can cause an engine fire while driving or parked. This is due to improper solder mask coverage and limited conformal coating on the circuit board.Certain models with engine block heaters: An engine block heater may crack and develop a coolant leak, which can then short-circuit. This recall affects models like the Lincoln MKC, Explorer, Fusion, Bronco Sport, and Maverick.
What owners should do
For owners of 2020 Expedition and Lincoln Navigator: Park the vehicle outside and away from structures until the repair is completed.
人家都说得清清楚楚了，due to improper solder mask coverage and limited conformal coating on the circuit board，又是个制造组装问题。你能找一个像锂电池那样啥原因都找不到放在那就自燃的例子吗？
#58 Re: 碰撞后车门锁打不开，是设计思路的问题
ignius 写了： 2025年 10月 16日 14:00奔驰的
Mercedes-Benz should be issuing a recall of over 800,000 vehicles for a defect in the cooling pump which has led to numerous fires in their cars. They are not issuing a formal recall because they say they cannot fix the problem. The scary part is apparently the fires may be starting in Mercedes vehicles both being driven and just sitting parked.
Attorney Karen Terry, a shareholder in the law firm of Searcy Denney Scarola Barnhart & Shipley, is investigating cases associated with these fires.
In February of 2020, a Mercedes SUV mysteriously ignited on fire while sitting in a dealership show room.
In December of 2021, a photographer discovered a Mercedes-Benz parked in front of a school as it started on fire.
In January, 2021, it was reported that a brand new Mercedes-Benz caught fire during a family trip. The father noticed white smoke coming from the rear of the vehicle, a Mercedes SUV, and pulled over. The alarmed parents barely exited the vehicle before it was engulfed in flames.
In March of 2021, a Mercedes-Benz caught fire in a Michigan parking lot and it, along with three other vehicles was rapidly engulfed in flames.
In February 2022, a local couple in Florida noticed a strange smell and were able to exit the vehicle and get their little baby out before it lit up in flames.
Apparently a leak develops in the cooling pump of the vehicles, which would normally only be a danger to the engine overheating. In these vehicle, it is reported the cooling pump is leaking onto heated components in the engine compartments and igniting. The vehicles are engulfed in flames within minutes.
This is not the first fire problem with Mercedes Benz vehicles. In 2016, Mercedes-Benz issued a recall reporting electrical overload in vehicles was linked to fires.
In the current recall, Mercedes-Benz sent letters to owners of 800,000 vehicles and advised the owners to drive “…in a particularly prudent manner and usage reduced to the bare minimum”. So, don’t drive your vehicle which cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, but if you do, be prepared to exit quickly, and run fast.
Apparently, according to the manufacturer, parts needed to repair the defect are “not immediately available” but repairs would be launched as soon as components are available. That was in January of this year and as far as we know, the repairs have still not been made to recalled vehicles.
The involved Mercedes-Benz vehicles include:
GLE/GLS (167 platform)
C-Class (205 platform)
E-Class (213 platform)
S-Class (222 platform)
S-Class (223 platform)
E-Class Coupe/Convertible (238 platform)
GLC (253 platform)
CLS (257 platform) and
G-Class (463 platform)
Mercedes has concluded an actual recall is useless until parts to repair the defect become available, but that availability is unknown. Mercedes-Benz owners and their families, some with no knowledge of their vehicle’s defects, continue to drive dangerous, fire prone vehicles.Should you be an owner of a Mercedes-Benz vehicle, be alerted to smells of smoke, white or black smoke emitting from your vehicle, or signs of actual fire. You may want to park your vehicle in a driveway rather than in your garage.
defect in cooling pump，原因都跟你说的清清楚楚了，你家特斯拉自燃的原因有吗？