俄对美德英波法乌等的战争之Bakhmut战,和其它,和然后,和中国,和宇宙

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有意思。

我看到的西方报道全都是在谈非洲需要粮食。结果呢?欧洲是最大头。(去年8月到现在中国平均每人3-4公斤)。

被媒体宣传洗脑后形成的感觉会很不对啊。
正常人知道更真实的情况后感觉必须很不好。否则还是正常人吗?

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前面那段话视频是对下面这些(不可能有什么正经回复的)无脑提问的(开玩笑性的)回应

下面的视频里有更多的bakhmut东岸战后状况

We publish a request from the editors of the publication "Voice of the People" and the answer:
Hello, Evgeny Viktorovich. Telegram channels are circulating information that a number of media outlets have received a manual on using negative theses against you and the Wagner PMC. In this regard, we ask you to answer the following questions:

1. Do you agree that you could buy ammunition for the Wagner PMC on your own, and not demand it from the Ministry of Defense? Do you think that a private army should fight for its own money?

2. Are you really ready to sacrifice your fighters and Russians, arranging a loud scandal in order to take the place of the head of state or close to him? Earlier you said that you have no political ambitions. Is it really?

3. Can you confirm or refute reports that you have already agreed with Ukrainians, GUR and SBU, so that at a convenient moment for money and lifting the sanctions to leave the front under the pretext of a scandal from the Russian Federation?

4. A number of sources also write about corruption schemes in which you were allegedly involved in 2018-2019. Can you
comment on these accusations?

We publish the comment of the press service:
See the answer to these questions in the Telegram channel of the military commander Alexander Simonov:
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又一个视频显示乌军在两批人员轮班时(=人员集中时)被轰击
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🇬🇧 Yevgeny Prigozhin said that after the capture of Bakhmut, PMCs are waiting for a smooth reformatting and transformation into an army with an ideological component.

Some of the people will be dismissed, leaving the best, some of the contract will end. And then they start recruiting again.

This was, on the whole, to be expected, since the organization had already gained considerable weight, both political and social. And further, without the ideological component, PMCs will no longer be able to exist. It is time to explain who they are, what they are and what they are for, in order to stop insinuations.

The current statement summed up the natural result of almost a dozen declarative statements regarding the ideological component of Wagner PMC. And the ideology should be simple and clear as a sledgehammer.
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🇬🇧🇺🇦 By trial and error: how the West is preparing the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the wrong war - analysis of the Military Chronicle and Rybar

In October, the head of European diplomacy, Josep Borrell, said that by the end of March, more than 11,000 Ukrainian soldiers are planned to be trained at the training grounds of NATO countries. For the whole of 2023, their number may exceed 30 thousand people: the British have already trained 10 thousand people since June 2022, another 15 are planned to be trained in other European countries.

The editors of the Military Chronicle and Rybar's team figured out the topic and explain what is wrong with the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine according to NATO standards.

🔻The main problem

It is difficult to apply the acquired skills on the battlefield: numerous prisoners (including from the elite 45 or 95 odshbr) who were trained in NATO countries have repeatedly questioned the effectiveness of training according to Western methods. According to them, at best, the training was superficial and did not guarantee an advantage on the battlefield.

🔻 What's wrong with learning?

Western countries did not take part in high-intensity conflictssity since the Vietnam War, and in some cases since the Second World War.

Instructors of various specialties participated only in local operations. The result is logical: people are trained according to the patterns of wars in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

The experience of fighting against gangs in the Middle East and Africa is hardly applicable in the realities of the Ukrainian conflict. Infantry units, for the most part, are trained not in the specifics of combat operations in forest plantations and fields, but in clearing houses and residential areas.

🔻Trial and error method

The other side of the problem is the lack of real experience in combat firing from various complexes. For example, NLAW, Panzerfaust 3 anti-aircraft systems or Gepard anti-aircraft installations before SVO were used to a limited extent only during exercises.

NATO instructors do not have the necessary experience and knowledge to properly use these weapons in intense combat. Now NATO is actively adopting the experience of the NWO for a new training program, but it will take years to implement it.

Yes, Ukrainian formations are fully mastering the entire range of weapons in combat conditions - moreover, in a much shorter time than at Western training grounds. But training is conducted, often, almost by trial and error.

🔻What about the training base?

For the effective training of Ukrainian formations in the West, there is not enough equipment, weapons and material resources. From the same NLAW or Javelin, they are taught to shoot on special simulators that imitate a shot: there is no talk of real ammunition. Prior to the start of the SVO in the West, such simulators were ordered exactly as much as was needed to train the regular number of cadets. At the moment, there are not enough such complexes for everyone.

Shot from machine guns during training abroad often does not exceed two magazines (50-60 rounds), and weapons for this are brought from nearby units.

🔻What follows from this?

Despite loud statements about the huge number of Ukrainian units trained according to NATO standards, there are problems in the effectiveness of training. Moreover, they accumulate like a snowball, because in the West they rely on training the maximum number of people in a short time. There is no need to talk about the quality of training in such conditions.

From the initial 5-7 weeks, the training program for infantry units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has already been cut to three, and in the case of combined arms units to two.

Probably, by October-November, the number of Ukrainian units trained according to NATO standards will indeed reach 30,000 people. That's just to declare training according to NATO standards and to put into operation fully combat-ready units that can turn the tide of the war are two different things.

After returning to the battlefield, soldiers and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine face real conditions that are very different from theoretical ones.

The scheme of application does not change - the "human resource", packed in a Western wrapper and costing much more, in the future, they also plug the gaps and try to buy time.
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