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联邦机构也可以退掉所有办公家具，大家坐地上办公好了
另外空调也可以关了，一年空调费就好几万，热就光膀子白

wh 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 19:23 五角大楼的咖啡杯那么贵啊……

这对一个总统来讲应该算是鸡毛蒜皮的小事吧。真要省钱叫五角大楼去Walmart买咖啡杯。

说的是springer nature，不是nature，nature一年就200刀，跟时代周刊差不多，你是学生只要100刀一年，连当年我住的楼房的不是搞科研的退休老头都订nature，来了一楼信箱上一堆nature，看来你肯定没订过

但是springer nature不一样了，整个springer的书籍杂志都免费看，你要买书本来200刀现在一律25刀，我买过无数，只要25刀他妈的这谁买不起啊，比中国一样便宜，所以一年要上千万是正常的

另外，财大气粗的党妈把整个nature都包圆了，凡是中国ip都免费看，比美帝厉害多了

wh 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 19:17 我问了AI 说是没有统一收费，有的机构超过2000万：
It's difficult to pinpoint a single subscription fee for federal agencies to Springer Nature journals. While some reports indicate that the US government has terminated some contracts, others suggest subscriptions remain active. Springer Nature states they have no material changes in customer spending. However, the USASpending.gov database indicates several agencies have contracts exceeding $20 million with Springer Nature. Ultimately, the specific fee depends on the agency, the journals subscribed to, and the contract terms

pplchn 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 19:43 这对一个总统来讲应该算是鸡毛蒜皮的小事吧。真要省钱叫五角大楼去Walmart买咖啡杯。

小事是指5000块钱的咖啡杯，还是取消springer nature期刊订阅？取消期刊订阅主要是摆个姿态吧，看新闻里也说钱不算多，但用意识形态来影响知识界，是粗暴干涉学术自由……

For many federal researchers, the decision to cut ties with Springer Nature is not just about dollars and cents—it’s about access to knowledge. Losing institutional access to premier journals hampers their ability to stay abreast of new discoveries, collaborate across institutions, and publish in high-visibility platforms.

One NIH employee, speaking to Nature on condition of anonymity, described the move as a serious blow to scientific freedom. Without these journals, some researchers worry they are being cut off from the very ecosystem that enables progress in their fields. Others fear that decisions about what science is worth supporting are increasingly being shaped by ideology rather than evidence or professional need.

The mass cancellation of Springer Nature subscriptions appears to reflect more than just financial restraint. It suggests a growing tension between scientific institutions and political leadership—particularly when that leadership casts doubt on the legitimacy of established research outlets.

我又问了AI五角大楼的咖啡杯是不是五千块，AI说不是 ：
No, a standard coffee mug at the Pentagon does not cost $5,000.

However, there was a 2018 congressional inquiry that revealed the U.S. Air Force was spending $1,300 for each reheatable coffee cup used on KC-10 aircraft and replacing them when the handles broke. Senator Chuck Grassley found the Air Force spent $32,000 replacing just 25 of these cups.
While these reheatable cups were significantly more expensive than typical mugs, they were not priced at $5,000.

For reference, a different source indicates that the Pentagon gift shop, Fort America, sells mugs starting at $10.95.

dealfinder10 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 19:21 联邦的图书馆里都有。不用重复订阅。

这些垃圾杂志空手套白狼。审稿免费 作者发文章还有可能收钱 图书馆订阅收钱 读者看文章还收钱。早该破产了

你得多反智， 居然说Nature是垃圾杂志？ 关键是你很勇敢 还敢show。 居然还有一个点赞的 什么鸟都有

弃婴千枝 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 19:52 说的是springer nature，不是nature，nature一年就200刀，跟时代周刊差不多，你是学生只要100刀一年，连当年我住的楼房的不是搞科研的退休老头都订nature，来了一楼信箱上一堆nature，看来你肯定没订过

但是springer nature不一样了，整个springer的书籍杂志都免费看，你要买书本来200刀现在一律25刀，我买过无数，只要25刀他妈的这谁买不起啊，比中国一样便宜，所以一年要上千万是正常的

另外，财大气粗的党妈把整个nature都包圆了，凡是中国ip都免费看，比美帝厉害多了

所以我说的是Nature等杂志，Nature在普罗大众中的知名度最高吧 我是不看，反正看不懂……国内包Nature干嘛？有多少人能看懂啊。难道全民全包比大学科研机构订阅还便宜……

nature发了很多的垃圾。为了引用和新闻价值受了很多垃圾。还有他们的editor board非常左派 发了不少莫名其妙的社论。

专业的杂志好不少。

wh 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 20:00 小事是指5000块钱的咖啡杯，还是取消springer nature期刊订阅？取消期刊订阅主要是摆个姿态吧，看新闻里也说钱不算多，但用意识形态来影响知识界，是粗暴干涉学术自由……

For many federal researchers, the decision to cut ties with Springer Nature is not just about dollars and cents—it’s about access to knowledge. Losing institutional access to premier journals hampers their ability to stay abreast of new discoveries, collaborate across institutions, and publish in high-visibility platforms.

One NIH employee, speaking to Nature on condition of anonymity, described the move as a serious blow to scientific freedom. Without these journals, some researchers worry they are being cut off from the very ecosystem that enables progress in their fields. Others fear that decisions about what science is worth supporting are increasingly being shaped by ideology rather than evidence or professional need.

The mass cancellation of Springer Nature subscriptions appears to reflect more than just financial restraint. It suggests a growing tension between scientific institutions and political leadership—particularly when that leadership casts doubt on the legitimacy of established research outlets.

我又问了AI五角大楼的咖啡杯是不是五千块，AI说不是 ：
No, a standard coffee mug at the Pentagon does not cost $5,000.

However, there was a 2018 congressional inquiry that revealed the U.S. Air Force was spending $1,300 for each reheatable coffee cup used on KC-10 aircraft and replacing them when the handles broke. Senator Chuck Grassley found the Air Force spent $32,000 replacing just 25 of these cups.
While these reheatable cups were significantly more expensive than typical mugs, they were not priced at $5,000.

For reference, a different source indicates that the Pentagon gift shop, Fort America, sells mugs starting at $10.95.

对不起，我冤枉她／他／它们了。

lilyamao 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 19:16 现在就是美国文革

所有科研部门的资金加起来都不及革命小将部门、ICE的资金多

现在多数是国内的人发，国内又不订，支持取消

都是垃圾

wass 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 20:24 现在多数是国内的人发，国内又不订，支持取消

都是垃圾

弃婴不是说国内包圆了Nature吗？

AI说Springer Nature的作者还是美国最多，不过中国增长快：
The USA is consistently a top country for research output, although its growth has been slower than China's in recent years.
The largest proportion of editors at Springer Nature (29%) come from the USA.

dealfinder10 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 20:09 nature发了很多的垃圾。为了引用和新闻价值受了很多垃圾。还有他们的editor board非常左派 发了不少莫名其妙的社论。

专业的杂志好不少。

Nature不算专业？总听说这种一个字名的期刊是最牛的。
知识界总体都左倾吧。记得看到过新闻说Nature批评川普在新冠期间的反科学言行，因此得罪了许多川普支持者。没看过Nature的社论或文章，如果只是就事论事的批评，不涉及个人，那没问题。科研论文不要受意识形态影响就行。另外最好还是离政治远一点，不管左右都少掺和，尽量保持中立好。

原来如彼啊，到处都能看到川总统的睚眦必报

wh 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 20:45 弃婴不是说国内包圆了Nature吗？

AI说Springer Nature的作者还是美国最多，不过中国增长快：
The USA is consistently a top country for research output, although its growth has been slower than China's in recent years.
The largest proportion of editors at Springer Nature (29%) come from the USA.

本质上，就是把国内的人攒的垃圾卖到美国

wass 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 21:36 本质上，就是把国内的人攒的垃圾卖到美国

也不能因为是国内的论文就认为垃圾吧，哪里都有认真努力做学术的人。

wh 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 21:51 也不能因为是国内的论文就认为垃圾吧，哪里都有认真努力做学术的人。

砍掉99%做学术的人，没有影响

这些人培训一下去做医生、护士、护工，先搞全民医保再说。没有全民医保的国家没有资格搞科学研究

关掉nsf，nih，私人资金做研究就好

也是解放那些天天杀老鼠为生的千老

wass 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 22:27 砍掉99%做学术的人，没有影响

这些人培训一下去做医生、护士、护工，先搞全民医保再说。没有全民医保的国家没有资格搞科学研究

关掉nsf，nih，私人资金做研究就好

全民医保有很多弊端吧？英国的全民医保效率很低，绝症患者可能等到死都排不上看病。服务设施和态度也普遍一般甚至不大好。

elevenones 写了： 2025年 7月 3日 22:38

嗯，查到这是Nature前两天的新闻。Nature的意思是这些对"leading academic journals"的批评都来自"high-ranking Trump officials"。我查了这位NHH发言人Andrew Nixon，27岁，好年轻，是弗罗里达共和党人，今年一月份开始当NHH Communications Director：
https://www.legistorm.com/person/bio/28 ... Nixon.html

也抄一下其他相关片段：
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02080-1
Trump team says it’s axing some contracts with publishing giant Springer Nature
The action comes as high-ranking US officials criticize leading journals as ‘woke’ and ‘corrupt’.
30 June 2025
Update 01 July 2025
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The move comes amid criticisms of leading academic journals by high-ranking Trump officials, and will mean that staff members at the affected agencies will no longer be able to easily access the company’s more than 3,000 journals, including the flagship title Nature.
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When the news team reached out to the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) — the world’s largest funder of biomedical science — asking whether its subscriptions were still intact, a spokesperson initially said they were and that use of these resources helps staff members to “promote transparency and replicability in research”.

Hours later, Andrew Nixon, the top spokesperson for the NIH’s parent agency, the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), said: “All contracts with Springer Nature are terminated or no longer active. Precious taxpayer dollars should be [sic] not be used on unused subscriptions to junk science.”
...
“When they say, ‘junk science’, it’s not clear what they mean,” says Ivan Oransky, a specialist in academic publishing and co-founder of the media organization Retraction Watch. Given the lack of details justifying the cuts, and the fact that several of Springer Nature’s journals are considered prestigious, Oransky says, “I’m having a hard time taking at face value that this is not political”. It would be unprecedented for a prominent subscriber to make a “sweeping move like this for political reasons”, he adds.

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