移民吃猫的谣言破了，又开始传言杀猪、性侵

[branching]

那你说怎么办? 一直要等到有报道这事确实发生了才算消停？

为啥要消停，州长等于承认有危机了呀，你不喜欢可以不关心啊。

[wh]

你生活在美国吗？ 美国中西部小镇都没落的不成样子了， 还工作多， 吃政府空饷的工作吧。

即使工作多，这些海地来的文盲能干什么呢？ 成年海地人的教育水平就是幼儿园的水平， 最多也就翻翻肉饼，别的真干不了。

工作多不能找中国来的小留干？ 多少小留因为没有身份不得不回国干 2000RMB 的工作。

这篇新闻引用一个海地移民说他们大部分人在仓库、工厂工作：
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/202 ... 161602007/
Springfield Haitians, other residents respond to being at center of immigration debate
Columbus Dispatch
Published 10:08 p.m. ET Sept. 10, 2024

Alimemby Estimable, 19, graduated from Springfield High School and works at an Amazon warehouse. He moved to Springfield four years ago and said he's been called a "dirty Haitian" and an "illegal."

Estimable was bemused by rumors that Haitians were shipped to Springfield and the people from Haiti in Springfield are there legally because of the federal program for temporary protected status.

"The majority of us, we work in warehouses, factories. You can't work there illegally. Obviously, we're legally working," he said.

Morvens Pierre, who also immigrated from Haiti and lives in Springfield agreed. He said Haitians just want to work.

Estimable said he's seen a lot of wild claims about Haitians in Springfield.

"I've been seeing a lot of people talking about a lot of stuff that's not accurate. You know, saying, like, all Haitians are cutting ducks' necks and eating them at the park and like, they're running into trash cans and homes and stuff. I ain't never seen a Haitian do that before. I'm just keep it real, because I'm a Haitian myself," he said.

[fukwumao]

华川粉和轮子高度重合，就知道造谣一路转法轮

可以把中央电视台加上
还有那个外交部发言人

[HBBH]

这里最丑陋的东西的就是猪党的选民置换。

看加州， 把白人挤走后就可以独裁了， 猪党就是要把加州经验复制到全美。

OH 那个小镇现在原来的居民也逐渐搬离， 然后就是下一个小辛辛那提。

[wh]

Joe Ruck 是Springfield Champion City Cuts理发店的共同所有者，他表示该市的南部地区已被称为“小海地”。
拉克在斯普林菲尔德长大，他说海地移民正在做那些没有其他人愿意做的工作，住在那些没人愿意住的房子里。
他说，海地裔人口很容易成为被指责的对象，社区中的人们说他们讨厌海地人，但实际上他们是对斯普林菲尔德人口增加带来的影响感到沮丧，比如房租和房价上涨、产品和食品需求增加。
“有人家的猫丢了？他们会说是海地人干的，”拉克说道。

我楼上引的也是同一篇Columbus Dispatch的新闻：
Joe Ruck, a co-owner of Champion City Cuts Barber Shop in Springfield, said the south side of the city has become known as "Little Haiti."
Ruck grew up in Springfield and said Haitian immigrants are working the jobs and living in the houses that no one else wanted.
He said the Haitian population is easy to pick on and people in the community say they hate Haitians when really they're frustrated by what an increased population has meant for Springfield with increased rent and house prices and demand for products and food in grocery stores.
"Someone's cat comes up missing? They gonna say the Haitians did it," Ruck said.

[Celsius]

不是自己家没人在乎，不是川普大嘴巴有人知道这么小的地方放了这么多人吗？

海地吃猫吃鸭子这事右派媒体自媒体早宣扬开了，不需要聚聚说，就连买提美新版右派id都讨论半天了。 而左派媒体基本不报道，左派支持者即使看到右派媒体报道也会嗤之以鼻。 其实这个盲目安置难民的政策，如果心平气和理性讨论的话，应该没有多少美国人支持

现在这个时期政治极化严重，人容易陷入自己打造的信息阱里，真没办法。

[HBBH]

现在的媒体90% 都是为猪党洗地的。

要看真相还真的要看自媒体。

我楼上引的也是同一篇Columbus Dispatch的新闻：
Joe Ruck, a co-owner of Champion City Cuts Barber Shop in Springfield, said the south side of the city has become known as "Little Haiti."
Ruck grew up in Springfield and said Haitian immigrants are working the jobs and living in the houses that no one else wanted.
He said the Haitian population is easy to pick on and people in the community say they hate Haitians when really they're frustrated by what an increased population has meant for Springfield with increased rent and house prices and demand for products and food in grocery stores.
"Someone's cat comes up missing? They gonna say the Haitians did it," Ruck said.

[wh]

他说了电视上看到的，怎么是造谣？

如果有人给他看到了那个警察抓的吃猫的视频， 他不能说？

TRUMP 的目的是要把焦点引到移民问题上来。 下面是一个油管的评论：
Everybody making this story about cats, when its really about a government robbing its own citizens to give it to complete strangers.

TRUMP 就是要揭露 猪党（部分和党官员）为了置换选民， 简直是惨无人道，毫无人性。

他和他的团队拿不出电视新闻的证据。bbc也找不到：
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko
During the presidential debate on Tuesday, Trump also claimed to have seen “people on television [saying] ‘My dog was taken and used for food’”.

BBC Verify has looked at archive video of every major US broadcaster, including Fox, CNN and CBS. We also used keywords to search for relevant video on social media, and have not identified any televised interview of this nature.

警察抓的吃猫的人不是已经证实是美国公民，不是移民吗？他如果是错把这个视频当作移民吃猫，就大大方方认个错。不要坚持没有根据的指控，只说有根据的事实不是更好吗？我觉得也没必要引申说民主党置换选民之类，就说大量移民造成的资源困难、社会问题就足够了。没必要诛心，就事论事面对实际问题，更能争取人心吧。

[HBBH]

BBC 是作弊媒体。

电视上不能放YouTube？

现在电视上都可以看 x.com 了。

民主党置换选民是明摆的， 根本不是阴谋论, 看Biden怎么说的。 前面schummer 也说了美国的未来靠非法移民。

他和他的团队拿不出电视新闻的证据。bbc也找不到：
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko
During the presidential debate on Tuesday, Trump also claimed to have seen “people on television [saying] ‘My dog was taken and used for food’”.

BBC Verify has looked at archive video of every major US broadcaster, including Fox, CNN and CBS. We also used keywords to search for relevant video on social media, and have not identified any televised interview of this nature.

警察抓的吃猫的人不是已经证实是美国公民，不是移民吗？他如果是错把这个视频当作移民吃猫，就大大方方认个错。不要坚持没有根据的指控，只说有根据的事实不是更好吗？我觉得也没必要引申说民主党置换选民之类，就说大量移民造成的资源困难、社会问题就足够了。没必要诛心，就事论事面对实际问题，更能争取人心吧。

[wh]

属实，聚聚团队没做好功课，老头也是信口开河嘴没把门的，本来这个话题他如果准备充分完全可以碾压，把各种数据摆出来就好了，这么小的town，放了这么多海地难民，当地各种资源教育，交通，医疗，住房，根本不够。没必要纠结吃猫吃狗吃鸭子

对，我也觉得真凭实据更有杀伤力。trump也可以拿数据反驳harris的谣言。两个人都有点信口开河。希望下一轮辩论更精彩。

[Mountainlion]

有警察记录，海地人抓了4之鹅，不会是去养宠物吧？

能吃鹅，为什么不会吃猫狗？海地人在海地就吃猫。

市政府出公文说没有报告动物丢失，显然是谎言诈骗。

昨晚Trump在总统辩论里说Springfield, Ohio的海地移民吃猫吃狗。我们地方群的川普支持者立刻贴出警察抓人的视频，视频里有个黑人女孩被抓，周围人说她吃猫。然后大家七嘴八舌痛斥非移破坏治安。

今天有人贴了新闻辟谣，原来被抓的年轻女人是当地居民、美国公民，不是海地移民；她之前还吃过墙上的蜘蛛，可能精神有问题。她也不在Springfield，而在两小时车程以外的Canton：

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politi ... 98034.html
Someone was accused of eating a cat in Ohio. It’s not a Haitian immigrant as Trump claimed
By Jacqueline Charles
September 11, 2024

Former President Donald Trump and his campaign are accusing Haitians of eating cats and other pets in Springfield, Ohio, a Midwestern city currently experiencing an influx of Haitian immigrants and being dragged into the U.S. presidential campaign.

In fact, somebody is unfortunately accused of eating a cat in Ohio — but it’s a woman who police say is a long-time resident and the incident occurred in another town two hours away.

……“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs — the people that came in. They’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country, and it’s a shame,” Trump said.

……So far, the campaign has provided no names or verifiable reports involving Haitians. There is a cat-eating case in the city of Canton in Stark County but not in Springfield, Ohio, which is two hours away in Clark County. …In August, a 27-year-old Canton, Ohio resident, Allexis Telia Ferrell, was arrested for allegedly killing a cat and eating it, according to a copy of the police report, police body camera videos and recordings of the 911 calls shared with the Miami Herald by the Canton Police Department.The 911 calls raised questions if she was suffering from drug or mental health problems.

……In the 911 calls shared with the Herald, three different callers requested help for Ferrell. In one, a cousin of Ferrell’s said she had been watching a live video of the woman on Facebook and “she had killed a cat, eating it.” “I don’t know what kind of drugs she’s on,” the cousin told the 911 operator before identifying Ferrell by name and confirming she was in Canton, Ohio. “She ate a spider off the wall, and now a cat.”

另外BBC确认这个吃猫的女人是美国公民：
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko
Canton Police told the BBC that the suspect was born in 1997 and that she was a US citizen. The department also told us "we have not dealt with any complaints of Haitian immigrants at all."

然后我们群里的人不说吃猫了，改说杀猪头、性侵了：

这又是twitter账号吧？这么没头没尾、没名没姓、杂七杂八的控诉，只让我想到xenophobia。JD Vance和Elon Musk也在Twitter上推波助澜是吧。非移是有很多社会问题，可别造谣传谣，否则只会掉分啊。

[wh]

有警察记录，海地人抓了4之鹅，不会是去养宠物吧？

能吃鹅，为什么不会吃猫狗？海地人在海地就吃猫。

市政府出公文说没有报告动物丢失，显然是谎言诈骗。

这个不是当地警局已经澄清了只收到报警，出警后没找到任何人赃吗，我前面贴过：
viewtopic.php?p=4099677#p4099677
当地官员说的是“no credible reports"，这个也是吧。

[branching]

海地吃猫吃鸭子这事右派媒体自媒体早宣扬开了，不需要聚聚说，就连买提美新版右派id都讨论半天了。 而左派媒体基本不报道，左派支持者即使看到右派媒体报道也会嗤之以鼻。 其实这个盲目安置难民的政策，如果心平气和理性讨论的话，应该没有多少美国人支持

现在这个时期政治极化严重，人容易陷入自己打造的信息阱里，真没办法。

现在信息是很容易被控制的，所以1修和2修很重要，让人讨论比禁言好。

[Mountainlion]

但是有记录有人报告动物被抓了。
没找到不是编制没有人报告有丢失动物的理由。没找到是另外一件事，可以有各种原因。

这个不是当地警局已经澄清了只收到报警，出警后没找到任何人赃吗，我前面贴过：
viewtopic.php?p=4099677#p4099677
当地官员说的是“no credible reports"，这个也是吧。

[HBBH]

今年没有X.com 的支持， TRUMP想都不要想能赢。

尽管MUSK 支持TRUMP， 但完全没有到 2020 年那样对 HO 小三的谎言每一条都直接加label。

现在信息是很容易被控制的，所以1修和2修很重要，让人讨论比禁言好。

[wh]

但是有记录有人报告动物被抓了。
没找到不是编制没有人报告有丢失动物的理由。没找到是另外一件事，可以有各种原因。

原文是这个吗：
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baseless-c ... ield-ohio/
"In response to recent rumors alleging criminal activity by the immigrant population in our city, we wish to clarify that there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," said Karen Graves, strategic engagement manager for Springfield.

[HBBH]

现在地方官的消息一点都不能信。 这个地方官的谎言我已经驳斥了。

每天报警丢东西的那么多， 没有破案的90%，都是报假警？

那个报警鹅被抓的不是本地人。

原文是这个吗：
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baseless-c ... ield-ohio/
"In response to recent rumors alleging criminal activity by the immigrant population in our city, we wish to clarify that there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," said Karen Graves, strategic engagement manager for Springfield.

[Mountainlion]

可能吧。在市政府市民控诉说有动物被抓被杀，这也是有记录的证据。

至于抓公园的geese，差不多，就是通过模糊语言编制谎言。CBS还做了一个什么谎言，后来自己偷偷改了，但是影响已经在了。

原文是这个吗：
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baseless-c ... ield-ohio/
"In response to recent rumors alleging criminal activity by the immigrant population in our city, we wish to clarify that there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," said Karen Graves, strategic engagement manager for Springfield.

[tdm]

已经有很多版面讨论这些有争议的政治问题了。本来最近这个版的方向都经常偏离，wh作为版主是不是应该以身作则不要把本版往这个菌斑方向带？wh其实也可以去相应版面讨论的，是不是太急于给自己的一亩三分地拔苗助长了？目标是亩产万斤？

[HBBH]

对有些人来说， 猫是可以吃的， 符合版面主题，为什么不能在这里说？

已经有很多版面讨论这些有争议的政治问题了。wh作为版主是不是应该以身作则不要把本版往这个菌斑方向带？wh其实也可以去相应版面讨论的，是不是太急于给自己的一亩三分地拔苗助长了？目标是亩产万斤？