问一个wash sale的问题
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#1 问一个wash sale的问题
我12月份把一支股票全部清仓了, 一个月内没有买回,我的券商ALLY依然给我算了wash sale,坚持他们没有算错。请问大牛们,我股票都没了, 那wash sale的loss拿不回来了? 谢谢!
#4 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
12月太晚。必需11月。you didn’t lose the loss, just got carried over to next year.myy 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 12:21 我12月份把一支股票全部清仓了, 一个月内没有买回,我的券商ALLY依然给我算了wash sale,坚持他们没有算错。请问大牛们,我股票都没了, 那wash sale的loss拿不回来了? 谢谢!
#5 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
按说只要清仓然后一个月不买回,就不会有wash sale。我能想到的一种可能是:你在清仓的一个月之内(之前之后都算)买过非常类似的股票,但具体要多么类似我也不清楚,我就是在网上读过这个说法。myy 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 12:21 我12月份把一支股票全部清仓了, 一个月内没有买回,我的券商ALLY依然给我算了wash sale,坚持他们没有算错。请问大牛们,我股票都没了, 那wash sale的loss拿不回来了? 谢谢!
你的券商ALLY是怎么说的?
我再说个可能,就是你的仓位在清仓前出现过wash sale,这导致你的这个仓位被标上了“wash sale”的字样,这和你这次清仓的操作无关。
当然,也不排除券商弄错的可能。
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#6 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
谢谢各位回复,我清仓之前的确有wash sale, 但wash sale的loss不是应该转移到新买入股票的cost basis吗?我股票都没了,他们把我的loss转哪里去了?我问Ally他们是怎么转的,他们拒绝直接回答,坚持说没有错。
#7 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
假如仓位就一股,9月卖了实现亏损x刀,然后9月15号以y刀的价格重新买入一股,这时券商会给这一股仓位标上wash sale,然后假定你12月把这一股以z价格卖出清仓,然后至今没再次买入。你也不需在乎券商怎么说怎么标记,只要券商以z - (x + y) 来计算你的盈亏并以此数目实现报税意义上的盈亏,就没有错误。myy 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 15:57 谢谢各位回复,我清仓之前的确有wash sale, 但wash sale的loss不是应该转移到新买入股票的cost basis吗?我股票都没了,他们把我的loss转哪里去了?我问Ally他们是怎么转的,他们拒绝直接回答,坚持说没有错。
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#8 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
对,我理解的和你说的一样的。 但券商不是那样算的,我的一万多块的loss凭空消失了,我问ALLY消失的loss哪里去了? 他们不回答,反复说他们计算是对的。
#9 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
YWY 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 16:49 假如仓位就一股,9月卖了实现亏损x刀,然后9月15号以y刀的价格重新买入一股,这时券商会给这一股仓位标上wash sale,然后假定你12月把这一股以z价格卖出清仓,然后至今没再次买入。你也不需在乎券商怎么说怎么标记,只要券商以z - (x + y) 来计算你的盈亏并以此数目实现报税意义上的盈亏,就没有错误。
不排除券商出错的可能。myy 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 17:21 对,我理解的和你说的一样的。 但券商不是那样算的,我的一万多块的loss凭空消失了,我问ALLY消失的loss哪里去了? 他们不回答,反复说他们计算是对的。
非要再为券商争辩一次的话,会不会是在显示你12月的交易盈亏时,券商已经直接把cost basis变成x+y了(x和y的意义见楼上)。
如果你还能找到最后一次加仓时的交易记录,可以查一查当时的加仓价,看是否和税单上的cost basis一致。
如果真的是券商的错,那自然要据理力争。
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#11 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
今年很多券商都错了,估计那个sb 班加罗尔天才的ppt feature
YWY 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 18:48 不排除券商出错的可能。
非要再为券商争辩一次的话,会不会是在显示你12月的交易盈亏时,券商已经直接把cost basis变成x+y了(x和y的意义见楼上)。
如果你还能找到最后一次加仓时的交易记录,可以查一查当时的加仓价,看是否和税单上的cost basis一致。
如果真的是券商的错,那自然要据理力争。
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#12 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
1. 不管是不是 wash sale, 你股票交易的 loss 都拿不回来了。FDIC 是不保险股票交易的。劵商更不会把你的loss 还给你myy 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 12:21 我12月份把一支股票全部清仓了, 一个月内没有买回,我的券商ALLY依然给我算了wash sale,坚持他们没有算错。请问大牛们,我股票都没了, 那wash sale的loss拿不回来了? 谢谢!
2. 是不是 wash sale 只是影响你该如何为你的盈利交税。再重复一遍,不管是否wash sale,你的loss 本身或者gain 本身都是一样的,loss 都拿不回来。如果不是wash sale, 你的loss 可以在交税时抵消你其他投资的gain, 少交盈利部分的税。如果是wash sale, 通过调整cost base, 你的同一只股票在连续交易中的某一亏损就会抵消同一股票的盈利,降低所要交的税
3. 如果你的这只股票在wash sale 中都是亏损,没有盈利,而且之后也没有再交易,那在报税时就不用为盈利交税,也没有盈利可抵消。again, 这一切只是影响你的交税
4. 如果你想弄清你的wash sale 有没有弄错,最好把最后一笔卖出前一个月的同支股票的交易情况都贴出来。如果前后一个月交易过包含这只股票的ETF,也会影响wash sale 的认定
#13 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
当然不是指把loss挽回,是指反应到realized loss里面好报税。
按券商的,我部分realized loss凭空消失了 (少了近一万),影响了抵消其它股票的gain.
按券商的,我部分realized loss凭空消失了 (少了近一万),影响了抵消其它股票的gain.
I23 写了: 2024年 2月 12日 02:21 1. 不管是不是 wash sale, 你股票交易的 loss 都拿不回来了。FDIC 是不保险股票交易的。劵商更不会把你的loss 还给你
2. 是不是 wash sale 只是影响你该如何为你的盈利交税。再重复一遍,不管是否wash sale,你的loss 本身或者gain 本身都是一样的,loss 都拿不回来。如果不是wash sale, 你的loss 可以在交税时抵消你其他投资的gain, 少交盈利部分的税。如果是wash sale, 通过调整cost base, 你的同一只股票在连续交易中的某一亏损就会抵消同一股票的盈利,降低所要交的税
3. 如果你的这只股票在wash sale 中都是亏损,没有盈利,而且之后也没有再交易,那在报税时就不用为盈利交税,也没有盈利可抵消。again, 这一切只是影响你的交税
4. 如果你想弄清你的wash sale 有没有弄错,最好把最后一笔卖出前一个月的同支股票的交易情况都贴出来。如果前后一个月交易过包含这只股票的ETF,也会影响wash sale 的认定
#14 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
wash sale 会调整你剩余同只股票所有仓位的cost basis, 不是只调整之后新买的cost basis. 清仓之前的确有wash sale, 清仓的cost basis 好好查查。myy 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 15:57 谢谢各位回复,我清仓之前的确有wash sale, 但wash sale的loss不是应该转移到新买入股票的cost basis吗?我股票都没了,他们把我的loss转哪里去了?我问Ally他们是怎么转的,他们拒绝直接回答,坚持说没有错。
#15 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
一个月前 有没有买?myy 写了: 2024年 2月 11日 12:21 我12月份把一支股票全部清仓了, 一个月内没有买回,我的券商ALLY依然给我算了wash sale,坚持他们没有算错。请问大牛们,我股票都没了, 那wash sale的loss拿不回来了? 谢谢!
#16 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
买了,所以是有wash sale问题,但wash sale应该是把loss转到后买的股票上啊,他们没有全部转。
我的情况是这样的:12月之前有115 shares 长时间持有的;
12/06买了100 shares;
12/13买了100shares;
12/21卖了100shares;
12/22清仓了剩下的215shares.
他们给算了165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale.
我在网上查了,都认为清仓后一个月不买就没问题了。
How to avoid violating the wash-sale rule
Normally, the IRS allows you to write off your capital losses, and you can use losses to offset any capital gains. In fact, in any given year you can write off a net loss of up to $3,000, if you have eligible losses. That is, tax rules allow you to more than offset any gains. Savvy investors strategically use losses to minimize their taxable income through tax-loss harvesting.
If you have a wash sale, however, you cannot claim the write-off until you finally sell the asset and avoid repurchasing it for at least 30 days. After that period, you can re-buy the asset without triggering the wash-sale rules. Of course, if you lose money on this repurchase and sell it yet again, you’ll have to wait another 30 days before repurchasing the asset to avoid a wash sale.
Don’t fret that you’ll lose your tax break forever due to the wash-sale rule, however. The ability to claim your loss is only deferred, not eliminated. Simply do not re-buy the asset in the 30-day window, and you can safely claim the loss on your tax return and without any further penalty.
我的情况是这样的:12月之前有115 shares 长时间持有的;
12/06买了100 shares;
12/13买了100shares;
12/21卖了100shares;
12/22清仓了剩下的215shares.
他们给算了165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale.
我在网上查了,都认为清仓后一个月不买就没问题了。
How to avoid violating the wash-sale rule
Normally, the IRS allows you to write off your capital losses, and you can use losses to offset any capital gains. In fact, in any given year you can write off a net loss of up to $3,000, if you have eligible losses. That is, tax rules allow you to more than offset any gains. Savvy investors strategically use losses to minimize their taxable income through tax-loss harvesting.
If you have a wash sale, however, you cannot claim the write-off until you finally sell the asset and avoid repurchasing it for at least 30 days. After that period, you can re-buy the asset without triggering the wash-sale rules. Of course, if you lose money on this repurchase and sell it yet again, you’ll have to wait another 30 days before repurchasing the asset to avoid a wash sale.
Don’t fret that you’ll lose your tax break forever due to the wash-sale rule, however. The ability to claim your loss is only deferred, not eliminated. Simply do not re-buy the asset in the 30-day window, and you can safely claim the loss on your tax return and without any further penalty.
#17 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
洗卖要一股一股地算。你卖出股票的设定是 Last-In, First-Out (LIFO) 还是 First-In, First-Out (FIFO)?这会影响你手上每一股仓位是盈利还是亏损,所以也会影响洗卖股的数量。myy 写了: 2024年 2月 12日 10:30 买了,所以是有wash sale问题,但wash sale应该是把loss转到后买的股票上啊,他们没有全部转。
我的情况是这样的:12月之前有115 shares 长时间持有的;
12/06买了100 shares;
12/13买了100shares;
12/21卖了100shares;
12/22清仓了剩下的215shares.
他们给算了165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale.
我在网上查了,都认为清仓后一个月不买就没问题了。
How to avoid violating the wash-sale rule
Normally, the IRS allows you to write off your capital losses, and you can use losses to offset any capital gains. In fact, in any given year you can write off a net loss of up to $3,000, if you have eligible losses. That is, tax rules allow you to more than offset any gains. Savvy investors strategically use losses to minimize their taxable income through tax-loss harvesting.
If you have a wash sale, however, you cannot claim the write-off until you finally sell the asset and avoid repurchasing it for at least 30 days. After that period, you can re-buy the asset without triggering the wash-sale rules. Of course, if you lose money on this repurchase and sell it yet again, you’ll have to wait another 30 days before repurchasing the asset to avoid a wash sale.
Don’t fret that you’ll lose your tax break forever due to the wash-sale rule, however. The ability to claim your loss is only deferred, not eliminated. Simply do not re-buy the asset in the 30-day window, and you can safely claim the loss on your tax return and without any further penalty.
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#18 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
你算一下所有315 shares总计的赢利或是亏损。如果总计和券商对上了,那就没错。如果总计对不上,就是券商算错了。
你按照自己算的报税就行了。wash sale算多少都无所谓
你按照自己算的报税就行了。wash sale算多少都无所谓
myy 写了: 2024年 2月 12日 10:30 买了,所以是有wash sale问题,但wash sale应该是把loss转到后买的股票上啊,他们没有全部转。
我的情况是这样的:12月之前有115 shares 长时间持有的;
12/06买了100 shares;
12/13买了100shares;
12/21卖了100shares;
12/22清仓了剩下的215shares.
他们给算了165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale.
我在网上查了,都认为清仓后一个月不买就没问题了。
How to avoid violating the wash-sale rule
Normally, the IRS allows you to write off your capital losses, and you can use losses to offset any capital gains. In fact, in any given year you can write off a net loss of up to $3,000, if you have eligible losses. That is, tax rules allow you to more than offset any gains. Savvy investors strategically use losses to minimize their taxable income through tax-loss harvesting.
If you have a wash sale, however, you cannot claim the write-off until you finally sell the asset and avoid repurchasing it for at least 30 days. After that period, you can re-buy the asset without triggering the wash-sale rules. Of course, if you lose money on this repurchase and sell it yet again, you’ll have to wait another 30 days before repurchasing the asset to avoid a wash sale.
Don’t fret that you’ll lose your tax break forever due to the wash-sale rule, however. The ability to claim your loss is only deferred, not eliminated. Simply do not re-buy the asset in the 30-day window, and you can safely claim the loss on your tax return and without any further penalty.
#19 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
你最后的两次卖的315股,如果亏的话,都是wash sale
他们算165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale是因为其中165股是卖亏的,150股是卖赚的
Wash sale 只对卖亏的
你的情况比较简单,看这315股前后赚赚赔赔最后总共赚多少?没赚,就不用缴税,损失也不能抵其他股票或投资的的盈利。赚了,就交总共赚的部分的税,而且可以按长期盈利算
他们算165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale是因为其中165股是卖亏的,150股是卖赚的
Wash sale 只对卖亏的
你的情况比较简单,看这315股前后赚赚赔赔最后总共赚多少?没赚,就不用缴税,损失也不能抵其他股票或投资的的盈利。赚了,就交总共赚的部分的税,而且可以按长期盈利算
myy 写了: 2024年 2月 12日 10:30 买了,所以是有wash sale问题,但wash sale应该是把loss转到后买的股票上啊,他们没有全部转。
我的情况是这样的:12月之前有115 shares 长时间持有的;
12/06买了100 shares;
12/13买了100shares;
12/21卖了100shares;
12/22清仓了剩下的215shares.
他们给算了165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale.
#20 Re: 问一个wash sale的问题
你12/21,12/22卖出后,后面并没有买入,什么叫 “应该是把loss转到后买的股票上” ?
myy 写了: 2024年 2月 12日 10:30 买了,所以是有wash sale问题,但wash sale应该是把loss转到后买的股票上啊,他们没有全部转。
我的情况是这样的:12月之前有115 shares 长时间持有的;
12/06买了100 shares;
12/13买了100shares;
12/21卖了100shares;
12/22清仓了剩下的215shares.
他们给算了165 shares wash sale, 150 share normal sale.
我在网上查了,都认为清仓后一个月不买就没问题了。
How to avoid violating the wash-sale rule
Normally, the IRS allows you to write off your capital losses, and you can use losses to offset any capital gains. In fact, in any given year you can write off a net loss of up to $3,000, if you have eligible losses. That is, tax rules allow you to more than offset any gains. Savvy investors strategically use losses to minimize their taxable income through tax-loss harvesting.
If you have a wash sale, however, you cannot claim the write-off until you finally sell the asset and avoid repurchasing it for at least 30 days. After that period, you can re-buy the asset without triggering the wash-sale rules. Of course, if you lose money on this repurchase and sell it yet again, you’ll have to wait another 30 days before repurchasing the asset to avoid a wash sale.
Don’t fret that you’ll lose your tax break forever due to the wash-sale rule, however. The ability to claim your loss is only deferred, not eliminated. Simply do not re-buy the asset in the 30-day window, and you can safely claim the loss on your tax return and without any further penalty.