美国六代机要是想碾压天朝只能在速度方面胜出了

[lubbock12]

隐身性机动性就别想了

来个10马赫的，天朝立马老实了就

[starbox]

我帝已经放弃六代机，all in 1450了

[Mountainlion]

你鳖那不叫六代机，五毛们可能不知道什么是六代机。

六代机是下面的：
An initial focus on air superiority roles has moved away from close-in dogfighting, which is becoming less common, and instead broadened to embrace ground support, cyber warfare and even space warfare capabilities, with beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile capability remaining important. The flexibility to undertake manned and unmanned missions is also sought, along with the ability to integrate with more numerous fleets of satellite drones and ground sensors in a high-traffic networked environment to deliver full "data-to-decision" (D2D) capability.[2]

Typical design characteristics anticipated to deliver these roles include:[3]

Designed using Digital Engineering (aka Model based Design)[4]
Advanced digital capabilities including high-capacity networking, AI, data fusion, cyber warfare, D2D and battlefield command, control and communications (C3) capabilities.
Optionally manned, with the same airframe capable of conducting piloted, remote controlled or onboard-AI controlled missions.
Enhanced human-systems integration, with virtual cockpits presented via helmet-mounted displays which allow the pilot 360-degree vision with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness, and replacing conventional instrument panels.
Advanced stealth airframes and avionics.
Advanced variable-cycle engines able to cruise economically but still deliver high thrust when required.
Increased-range stand-off and BVR weapons.
Potential use of directed-energy weapons such as a laser CIWS.
Software Architecture with separation of flight critical operations from other functionality[5]
Potential capability for suborbital flight to achieve global reach, evade defenses, and satellite operations. [6]

我帝已经放弃六代机，all in 1450了

[Sususu]

你鳖那不叫六代机，五毛们可能不知道什么是六代机。

六代机是下面的：
An initial focus on air superiority roles has moved away from close-in dogfighting, which is becoming less common, and instead broadened to embrace ground support, cyber warfare and even space warfare capabilities, with beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile capability remaining important. The flexibility to undertake manned and unmanned missions is also sought, along with the ability to integrate with more numerous fleets of satellite drones and ground sensors in a high-traffic networked environment to deliver full "data-to-decision" (D2D) capability.[2]

Typical design characteristics anticipated to deliver these roles include:[3]

Designed using Digital Engineering (aka Model based Design)[4]
Advanced digital capabilities including high-capacity networking, AI, data fusion, cyber warfare, D2D and battlefield command, control and communications (C3) capabilities.
Optionally manned, with the same airframe capable of conducting piloted, remote controlled or onboard-AI controlled missions.
Enhanced human-systems integration, with virtual cockpits presented via helmet-mounted displays which allow the pilot 360-degree vision with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness, and replacing conventional instrument panels.
Advanced stealth airframes and avionics.
Advanced variable-cycle engines able to cruise economically but still deliver high thrust when required.
Increased-range stand-off and BVR weapons.
Potential use of directed-energy weapons such as a laser CIWS.
Software Architecture with separation of flight critical operations from other functionality[5]
Potential capability for suborbital flight to achieve global reach, evade defenses, and satellite operations. [6]

看看，还是1450强大吧？

[Mountainlion]

1450比五毛还是强点，至少不顿监狱

看看，还是1450强大吧？

[orangedot]

隐身性机动性就别想了

来个10马赫的，天朝立马老实了就

大气层内二马赫机身100多摄氏度，三马赫机身300多摄氏度，不能再快了
再快机身金属要融化了，就是金属不融化，飞行员也烤糊了

[wanmeishijie]

1450比五毛还是强点，至少不顿监狱

1450可都是器官备件……

[babyruth]

中国一般是先造出一个壳,然后慢慢补,发动机还落后几十年吧,.看上去造得菱角不平,非常粗糙,不象美国的圆润一体化.


中共所谓的“六代机”，就是个披着五代发动机的”六代“套壳产物
参考资料：https://m.163.com/dy/article_cambrian/J ... 22ICO.html

答案很有可能是美国的变循环发动机遭遇了很大的问题，至于是啥问题咱们也不知道，再结合NGAD前途不明朗，基本就能肯定是真出大问题了，毕竟F-22的单价在2000年的单价是1.5亿美元，按照年均通货膨胀率2.5%计算，2000年的1.5亿美元在2024年相当于约2.71亿美元。

也就是说3亿美元的NGAD六代机单价还真心不贵，毕竟只比F-22贵了一点，在加持了六代机那么多技术后才贵3000万美元，绝对的良心价！所以美国空军已价格太高为由重新评估NGAD那就鬼话连篇，真正的问题是发动机出问题了。


评：众所周知F22停产重要原因之一就是因为成本高昂，B21也是B2降低成本后的产物，所以你美觉得NGAD六代机成本太高很奇怪吗？自己脑补出什么所谓的”重大问题“自嗨是想怎样？事实上通用电气的XA100项目在今年中旬刚刚完成了第四次测试，这就是你支意淫的重大事故？

现在大家都知道了，成飞六代机用了三台发动机，而且三台发动机十有八九都是常规的涡扇发动机，因为机体背部的进气道极度疑似DSI，这种进气道最高速度不超过2.2马赫，因为超过之后总压恢复系数下降，发动机效率也要跟着下降，所以在这个进气道内的发动机，基本不太可能是什么冲压发动机或者冲压爆震发动机了，因为这些发动机在这个进气道内工作都会不正常！



评：所以你共所谓的”六代机“就是个披着六代外壳的五代心战机，事实上你共这招偷天换日早在J20上面就干过，造出来个壳子就迫不及待的试飞炫耀，这样最多测试一下外形气动性能罢了

就五代机的研制过程来看，成飞绝对不会被发动机一时无法突破所左右，歼-20就是一飞机先出，发动机先凑合，再上适配发动机，从AL-31F到WS-10C再到WS-15，这条路子相当成功，要不然等到WS-15成熟，估计到2030年才能见到歼-20。



评：所以港媒嘲讽美国2020年的NGAD试飞只是披着六代壳子验证部分新技术，那中共的J36除了壳子连发动机都是旧的ws15，岂不更是套壳中的产物？
讲个笑话，你共这款最新的常规发动机ws15推力甚至不如你美十年前列装的F135

假设美国人的NGAD在2030年首飞，这5年时间足够中国人的六代机折腾出各种战法，甚至新一代的体系作战都已经“研发”完成了，更有可能的是中国的七代机计划也提上了日程，因为根据中国1998（J-10）-2011（J-20）-2024（J-36）的速度，下一代战机应该在2037年出来了，要是以这个速度发展下去，这次超越了美国之后，美国再也别想追上中国了。



评：就在你共忙着吹嘘自己地球首飞的时候，美国空军早于2020年完成六代机验证机试飞，但因成本高达现役F-35战机的3倍，加上到底重心应放在有人机还是无人机的争议不断，次世代空优（NGAD）计划进度放缓。 美国空军原本希望赶在今年结束前就六代机计划做出决定，然而随特朗普在总统大选胜出，美国空军宣布留给即将上任的新政府定夺。
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小结：你共这边急不可耐的用“前朝的剑搭本朝的官”的时候，你美真正意义上的六代变循环发动机”XA-100“，从2020年12月首测到现在，一年一个台阶往上爬，2024年5月都已经完成第四轮测试了。运气好的话2028年可能就会实装，到时候你共所谓的六代机岂不又是“心脏病”发作了？

https://www.163.com/dy/article/J3EF6B140552E2HN.html
GE的第六代战斗机发动机在关键测试中取得第四轮成功

总结：你共及其旗下党棍粉蛆喜欢吹牛，那我就只好摆事实打脸，而且事实上你共的C919大飞机用的也是美国的航发和航电，道理很简单，相比在航展上表演的所谓“次世代”战机，民航要考虑的就多了，所以很难造假

PS：就只有一个人理性认真的分析了一下你匪科技现状，其他人都在输出情绪，你葱现在都这样了吗？以前那些数据大神呢？我人都傻了

[lubbock12]

大气层内二马赫机身100多摄氏度，三马赫机身300多摄氏度，不能再快了
再快机身金属要融化了，就是金属不融化，飞行员也烤糊了

你显然不知道米格25的故事

[Mountainlion]

红色贵族用起五毛器件更容易吧，都是耗材奴隶

1450可都是器官备件……

[babyruth]

大家看看葱上面的评论怎么样?

文章分析的很清楚你共所谓的六代机试飞用的是常规动力WS15，也就是J20现在列装的发动机，那你觉得它是几代？反正怎么也不可能是六代，真正意义的六代发动机是你美正在测试的变循环，争论文字游戏我不明白到底有什么意义，或者你给个定义，不过麻烦得是有理有据的

[Google]

爆轰发动机被你吃了

大家看看葱上面的评论怎么样?

文章分析的很清楚你共所谓的六代机试飞用的是常规动力WS15，也就是J20现在列装的发动机，那你觉得它是几代？反正怎么也不可能是六代，真正意义的六代发动机是你美正在测试的变循环，争论文字游戏我不明白到底有什么意义，或者你给个定义，不过麻烦得是有理有据的

[babyruth]

我去过我这儿的军事博物馆看过美帝的35和22, 非常震撼, 造得流线光滑整体感极强. 35 已经卖出那么多而且很多实战经验. 天朝如果真有5,6待应该拿出来溜溜才服人, 否则人家以为是一个壳.

[lubbock12]

我去过我这儿的军事博物馆看过美帝的35和22, 非常震撼, 造得流线光滑整体感极强. 35 已经卖出那么多而且很多实战经验. 天朝如果真有5,6待应该拿出来溜溜才服人, 否则人家以为是一个壳.

你帝犯了个致命错误，没要YF-23 ， 这个美军要用了，其实是可以跟成飞六代机媲美的

[orangedot]

[orangedot]

当马克沁机枪出现时，草原民族都变得能歌善舞；
当六代机飞上天时，大漂亮也说自己热爱和平了。

[babyruth]

你帝犯了个致命错误，没要YF-23 ， 这个美军要用了，其实是可以跟成飞六代机媲美的

主要是在争论有人和无人上延迟了, 太优柔寡断. 不过我看天朝的飞机还会经过很长时间才成型, 20都还没实战过, 吹牛为时过早.

[orangedot]

你鳖那不叫六代机，五毛们可能不知道什么是六代机。

六代机是下面的：
An initial focus on air superiority roles has moved away from close-in dogfighting, which is becoming less common, and instead broadened to embrace ground support, cyber warfare and even space warfare capabilities, with beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile capability remaining important. The flexibility to undertake manned and unmanned missions is also sought, along with the ability to integrate with more numerous fleets of satellite drones and ground sensors in a high-traffic networked environment to deliver full "data-to-decision" (D2D) capability.[2]

Typical design characteristics anticipated to deliver these roles include:[3]

Designed using Digital Engineering (aka Model based Design)[4]
Advanced digital capabilities including high-capacity networking, AI, data fusion, cyber warfare, D2D and battlefield command, control and communications (C3) capabilities.
Optionally manned, with the same airframe capable of conducting piloted, remote controlled or onboard-AI controlled missions.
Enhanced human-systems integration, with virtual cockpits presented via helmet-mounted displays which allow the pilot 360-degree vision with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness, and replacing conventional instrument panels.
Advanced stealth airframes and avionics.
Advanced variable-cycle engines able to cruise economically but still deliver high thrust when required.
Increased-range stand-off and BVR weapons.
Potential use of directed-energy weapons such as a laser CIWS.
Software Architecture with separation of flight critical operations from other functionality[5]
Potential capability for suborbital flight to achieve global reach, evade defenses, and satellite operations. [6]

What are the 5 stages of grief?
1) Denial
2) Anger
3) Bargaining
4) Depression
5) Acceptance

这头老逼将反应弧比较长，目前还处在第一阶段，Denial
人家五角大楼发言人已经到了第五阶段，Acceptance

[Mountainlion]

五毛大外宣高兴就好，
但是包输显然不接受。

What are the 5 stages of grief?
1) Denial
2) Anger
3) Bargaining
4) Depression
5) Acceptance

这头老逼将反应弧比较长，目前还处在第一阶段，Denial
人家五角大楼发言人已经到了第五阶段，Acceptance

[LittleBear]

隐身性机动性就别想了

来个10马赫的，天朝立马老实了就

更没戏。

我帝连高超音速风洞(大于15马赫）都没有。怎么研制高速六代机？