有沒有人幫忙拔草被雷打的80x Tactical？
#1 有沒有人幫忙拔草被雷打的80x Tactical？
$700還有$150的rebate，80x據說手動保險有bug，還有什麼？$600的價格貴麼？
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#2 Re: 有沒有人幫忙拔草被雷打的80x Tactical？
我试着给这个挑点毛病
1、跟glock 19，sig365 xmacro接近大小，380口径，比glock19少2发，比365少4发。
2、25oz，比上面两个都要重3oz。
3、个人不喜欢 safe同时decoker的设计，觉得多此一举。
4、这类的结构会比较准，但之前我打朋友没有良好保养的storm时，100发就卡死了，而且很难处理。
5、还有一个原因是380。。。。不想增加子弹口径了，这个的蛋壳跟9mm太容易混。
因为原因3-4，我之前有过一个performance，基本没打就卖了。。。。
目前这个尺寸下，我第一选择是sig 365，因为sig 365可以用一个fcu生出n个。其次是glock19，或者cz p10c。
1、跟glock 19，sig365 xmacro接近大小，380口径，比glock19少2发，比365少4发。
2、25oz，比上面两个都要重3oz。
3、个人不喜欢 safe同时decoker的设计，觉得多此一举。
4、这类的结构会比较准，但之前我打朋友没有良好保养的storm时，100发就卡死了，而且很难处理。
5、还有一个原因是380。。。。不想增加子弹口径了，这个的蛋壳跟9mm太容易混。
因为原因3-4，我之前有过一个performance，基本没打就卖了。。。。
目前这个尺寸下，我第一选择是sig 365，因为sig 365可以用一个fcu生出n个。其次是glock19，或者cz p10c。
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#3 Re: 有沒有人幫忙拔草被雷打的80x Tactical？
謝謝回覆，我已經有p365、19x、p09啦。beretta tactical帶threaded barrel和15發彈匣，另一個缺點是沒有夜瞄，但是可以未來改裝.32 acp。px storm是旋轉槍管結構，跟80x不一樣吧？oldestghost 写了： 2025年 3月 5日 01:30 我试着给这个挑点毛病
1、跟glock 19，sig365 xmacro接近大小，380口径，比glock19少2发，比365少4发。
2、25oz，比上面两个都要重3oz。
3、个人不喜欢 safe同时decoker的设计，觉得多此一举。
4、这类的结构会比较准，但之前我打朋友没有良好保养的storm时，100发就卡死了，而且很难处理。
5、还有一个原因是380。。。。不想增加子弹口径了，这个的蛋壳跟9mm太容易混。
因为原因3-4，我之前有过一个performance，基本没打就卖了。。。。
目前这个尺寸下，我第一选择是sig 365，因为sig 365可以用一个fcu生出n个。其次是glock19，或者cz p10c。
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#4 Re: 有沒有人幫忙拔草被雷打的80x Tactical？
没注意到是blowback的。magagop 写了： 2025年 3月 5日 03:55 謝謝回覆，我已經有p365、19x、p09啦。beretta tactical帶threaded barrel和15發彈匣，另一個缺點是沒有夜瞄，但是可以未來改裝.32 acp。px storm是旋轉槍管結構，跟80x不一樣吧？
那我也许会买，特别是0.32acp版本，如果有的话。
不是用来干活的就纯看喜欢不喜欢了
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#6 Re: 有沒有人幫忙拔草被雷打的80x Tactical？
.380是blowback最大的選擇，能量剛剛達標，.32 acp威力太小了。而且.380是真正的rimless，.32不是。.380是歷史上打死領導人最多的槍，希特勒和朴正熙都死在.380槍下。應該還有不少蘇聯兄弟用.380類似的Markarov自殺，很長一段時間是世界標準秘密警察彈。我本來準備給老人小孩買的，他們根本擼不動9mm。
The .380 ACP was designed to be truly rimless, and headspaces on the case mouth instead of the rim for better accuracy. These relatively low-powered designs were intended for blowback pistols which lacked a barrel locking mechanism, which is often required for any handgun firing a round more powerful than a .380 ACP. Using blowback operation, the design can be simplified, and lowered in cost; a locking mechanism is unnecessary, since the mass of the slide and strength of the recoil spring are enough to absorb the recoil energy of the round, due to the round's relatively low bolt thrust. Blowback operation also permits the barrel to be permanently fixed to the frame, which promotes accuracy, unlike a traditional short recoil-operation pistol, which requires a tilting barrel to unlock the slide and barrel assembly when cycling. A drawback of the blowback system is that it requires a certain amount of slide mass to counter the recoil of the round used. The higher the power of the round, the heavier the slide assembly has to be in order for its inertia to safely absorb the recoil, meaning that a typical blowback pistol in a given caliber will be heavier than an equivalent recoil-operated weapon. Blowback weapons can be made in calibers larger than .380 ACP, but the required weight of the slide and strength of the spring makes this an unpopular option. While the .380 ACP was considered to be a moderately powerful service pistol round before World War II when compared to the .32 ACP pistols it replaced, few nations retained it as a military service cartridge for very long after the war (it was eventually replaced by the more powerful 9×19mm Parabellum after NATO standardization in the 1960s). It was widely used by police forces in Europe until the 1970s, when more powerful 9×19mm handguns began to replace it in this market. The wounding potential of a bullet is often characterized in terms of its expanded diameter, penetration depth, and energy. Bullet energies for .380 ACP loads vary from 190 to 294 ft⋅lbf (258 to 399 J).
The 9×18mm Makarov (designated 9mm Makarov by the C.I.P. and often called 9×18mm PM) is a pistol and submachine gun cartridge developed in the former USSR. During the latter half of the 20th century, it was a standard military pistol cartridge of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc, analogous to the 9×19mm Parabellum in NATO and Western Bloc military use. The 9×18mm round was designed by Boris V. Semin in 1946, and was intended to be a relatively powerful round with modest bolt thrust that could function safely in a simple or direct blowback pistol. It was based on the 9×18mm Ultra cartridge which was developed in 1936 by Gustav Genschow & Co. for the German Luftwaffe, as a more powerful alternative to the 9×17mm used in the Walther PP, also a simple blowback design pistol. Nikolay Fyodorovich Makarov went on to design the Makarov PM pistol around the 9×18mm round in 1947. In 1951 both the Makarov pistol and the round were accepted by the Soviet Army, hence the round became commonly known thereafter as the Makarov as well (it is not its official designation).
The .380 ACP was designed to be truly rimless, and headspaces on the case mouth instead of the rim for better accuracy. These relatively low-powered designs were intended for blowback pistols which lacked a barrel locking mechanism, which is often required for any handgun firing a round more powerful than a .380 ACP. Using blowback operation, the design can be simplified, and lowered in cost; a locking mechanism is unnecessary, since the mass of the slide and strength of the recoil spring are enough to absorb the recoil energy of the round, due to the round's relatively low bolt thrust. Blowback operation also permits the barrel to be permanently fixed to the frame, which promotes accuracy, unlike a traditional short recoil-operation pistol, which requires a tilting barrel to unlock the slide and barrel assembly when cycling. A drawback of the blowback system is that it requires a certain amount of slide mass to counter the recoil of the round used. The higher the power of the round, the heavier the slide assembly has to be in order for its inertia to safely absorb the recoil, meaning that a typical blowback pistol in a given caliber will be heavier than an equivalent recoil-operated weapon. Blowback weapons can be made in calibers larger than .380 ACP, but the required weight of the slide and strength of the spring makes this an unpopular option. While the .380 ACP was considered to be a moderately powerful service pistol round before World War II when compared to the .32 ACP pistols it replaced, few nations retained it as a military service cartridge for very long after the war (it was eventually replaced by the more powerful 9×19mm Parabellum after NATO standardization in the 1960s). It was widely used by police forces in Europe until the 1970s, when more powerful 9×19mm handguns began to replace it in this market. The wounding potential of a bullet is often characterized in terms of its expanded diameter, penetration depth, and energy. Bullet energies for .380 ACP loads vary from 190 to 294 ft⋅lbf (258 to 399 J).
The 9×18mm Makarov (designated 9mm Makarov by the C.I.P. and often called 9×18mm PM) is a pistol and submachine gun cartridge developed in the former USSR. During the latter half of the 20th century, it was a standard military pistol cartridge of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc, analogous to the 9×19mm Parabellum in NATO and Western Bloc military use. The 9×18mm round was designed by Boris V. Semin in 1946, and was intended to be a relatively powerful round with modest bolt thrust that could function safely in a simple or direct blowback pistol. It was based on the 9×18mm Ultra cartridge which was developed in 1936 by Gustav Genschow & Co. for the German Luftwaffe, as a more powerful alternative to the 9×17mm used in the Walther PP, also a simple blowback design pistol. Nikolay Fyodorovich Makarov went on to design the Makarov PM pistol around the 9×18mm round in 1947. In 1951 both the Makarov pistol and the round were accepted by the Soviet Army, hence the round became commonly known thereafter as the Makarov as well (it is not its official designation).
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