为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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#1 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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Icahn Enterprises (IEP) is a textbook case of how a small group of players can drastically affect a stock price, even when a controlling shareholder owns nearly all the outstanding shares.

Let’s break down why and how IEP’s stock price collapsed ~90%, despite Carl Icahn controlling 89% of shares:

The Fall of IEP: What Really Happened
🔍 1. Carl Icahn Controls ≈ 89% of Shares
Carl Icahn has majority ownership and control over IEP — his publicly traded holding company.

However, most of those shares are locked up: not traded, not sold. This means the actual float (shares available for trading) is very thin — low liquidity.

⚠️ 2. Short Sellers Targeted IEP
In May 2023, Hindenburg Research, a well-known short-selling firm, released a damning report on IEP.

Accused IEP of being overleveraged and overvalued.

Highlighted that its dividend was unsustainably high and possibly paid out using new investor money, raising concerns similar to a Ponzi-like structure.

The report spooked the market, causing retail and institutional sentiment to crater.

🧨 3. The Stock Collapsed — Despite Low Float
Even though Icahn wasn’t selling, IEP’s thin float made it extremely vulnerable to pressure:

Short sellers could borrow even a small number of shares to short aggressively.

Low liquidity meant even a modest volume of selling could drive the price down sharply.

This triggered forced selling, margin calls, and fear-based exits from other holders (e.g., retail or ETFs).

So, even with only 5–10% of the float in play, hedge funds were able to dominate price discovery.

🔄 Why Didn’t Icahn Stop It?
He Can’t Easily Buy Back Float
While he owns the majority, buying back float to prop up the price would:

Look like manipulation

Drain capital from the company

Possibly violate disclosure rules

The Market Prices Based on Free Float, Not Just Ownership
A stock's price is based on what the marginal buyer/seller is willing to pay. Icahn’s holdings are not in play, so they don’t defend the price.

Dividend Sustainability in Question
IEP was paying a very high dividend, but many investors became convinced it wasn’t sustainable, especially with a falling stock price and high debt.
Final Thought
IEP shows that ownership control doesn't shield a stock from market sentiment, short attacks, or structural weaknesses. It also reinforces how the real price-setters are the traders active in the small, liquid portion of the market — not the long-term holders who sit quietly on most shares.

Would you like a breakdown of Hindenburg’s specific claims or a technical analysis of IEP’s price collapse?
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#2 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

帖子 赖美豪中(my pronouns: ha/ha) »

写这玩意的人连基本的财经常识都没有,Why Didn’t Icahn Stop It? because it is a fucking good thing啊。你们把icahn打下来他可以多买点,他自己都不好意思把股价压下来
noktard 写了: 2025年 6月 28日 15:08 Icahn Enterprises (IEP) is a textbook case of how a small group of players can drastically affect a stock price, even when a controlling shareholder owns nearly all the outstanding shares.

Let’s break down why and how IEP’s stock price collapsed ~90%, despite Carl Icahn controlling 89% of shares:

The Fall of IEP: What Really Happened
🔍 1. Carl Icahn Controls ≈ 89% of Shares
Carl Icahn has majority ownership and control over IEP — his publicly traded holding company.

However, most of those shares are locked up: not traded, not sold. This means the actual float (shares available for trading) is very thin — low liquidity.

⚠️ 2. Short Sellers Targeted IEP
In May 2023, Hindenburg Research, a well-known short-selling firm, released a damning report on IEP.

Accused IEP of being overleveraged and overvalued.

Highlighted that its dividend was unsustainably high and possibly paid out using new investor money, raising concerns similar to a Ponzi-like structure.

The report spooked the market, causing retail and institutional sentiment to crater.

🧨 3. The Stock Collapsed — Despite Low Float
Even though Icahn wasn’t selling, IEP’s thin float made it extremely vulnerable to pressure:

Short sellers could borrow even a small number of shares to short aggressively.

Low liquidity meant even a modest volume of selling could drive the price down sharply.

This triggered forced selling, margin calls, and fear-based exits from other holders (e.g., retail or ETFs).

So, even with only 5–10% of the float in play, hedge funds were able to dominate price discovery.

🔄 Why Didn’t Icahn Stop It?
He Can’t Easily Buy Back Float
While he owns the majority, buying back float to prop up the price would:

Look like manipulation

Drain capital from the company

Possibly violate disclosure rules

The Market Prices Based on Free Float, Not Just Ownership
A stock's price is based on what the marginal buyer/seller is willing to pay. Icahn’s holdings are not in play, so they don’t defend the price.

Dividend Sustainability in Question
IEP was paying a very high dividend, but many investors became convinced it wasn’t sustainable, especially with a falling stock price and high debt.
Final Thought
IEP shows that ownership control doesn't shield a stock from market sentiment, short attacks, or structural weaknesses. It also reinforces how the real price-setters are the traders active in the small, liquid portion of the market — not the long-term holders who sit quietly on most shares.

Would you like a breakdown of Hindenburg’s specific claims or a technical analysis of IEP’s price collapse?
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#3 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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赖美豪中 写了: 2025年 6月 29日 06:51 写这玩意的人连基本的财经常识都没有,Why Didn’t Icahn Stop It? because it is a fucking good thing啊。你们把icahn打下来他可以多买点,他自己都不好意思把股价压下来
你说得不对吧?他已经拿了89%的股份,还能买多少?股价从$50跌到$8对他有什么好处?
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#4 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

帖子 赖美豪中(my pronouns: ha/ha) »

好处大了去了,从个人税务上可以通过depreciation有效抵税,这种大股东超大比例持股,高分红,大股东唯一的目的就是分红,他短时间也不着急卖,他根本不着急抬升股价。他甚至可以把剩下的全买了直接私有化。
Livermore1930 写了: 2025年 6月 29日 09:13 你说得不对吧?他已经拿了89%的股份,还能买多少?股价从$50跌到$8对他有什么好处?
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#5 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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竟然只剩8块钱了。我还曾经想入,为了分红。吓破胆了。
韭菜还能进吗?会不会逐渐归零?
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#6 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

帖子 koko(小气蔻蔻) »

赖美豪中 写了: 2025年 6月 29日 09:30 好处大了去了,从个人税务上可以通过depreciation有效抵税,这种大股东超大比例持股,高分红,大股东唯一的目的就是分红,他短时间也不着急卖,他根本不着急抬升股价。他甚至可以把剩下的全买了直接私有化。
IEP常年估值远大于book value,除非Icahn脑子被驴踢了才私有化。
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#7 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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Hindenburg Research不是解散了吗?应该还是IEP有问题,8块股价,2块分红,大家还不敢买,不能假定别人都是傻子
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#8 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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99.99%控股,该跌还是会跌。
你们有太多人用a股的思维看待美股。
这种单一股东巨量控股的,没人会买。所以股价会跌。傻子才买。
最好的公司是没有控股股东的公司,职业经理管理,董事会都是分散的人群。
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#9 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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churchillus 写了: 2025年 6月 29日 18:34 Hindenburg Research不是解散了吗?应该还是IEP有问题,8块股价,2块分红,大家还不敢买,不能假定别人都是傻子
从50多跌下来那波,我抢了个反弹,也就一两块的样子,不敢拿久了。
当时的说法是,做假帐借钱分红,不可持续。他通过各种壳公司包装,投资者看不到真实的运营。
现在这2块的分红,不知道能不能维持。
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#10 Re: 为什么Icahn控制着89%的IEP,股价还是被人打击了?

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