戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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#1 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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https://www.bbc.com/news/10345875

Radiocarbon dating verifies ancient Egypt's history

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The Step Pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara is the oldest stone pyramid in Egypt

By Katia Moskvitch
Science reporter, BBC News
Experts have used scientific dating techniques to verify the historical chronology of ancient Egypt.

Radiocarbon dating was used to show that the chronology of Egypt's Old, Middle and New Kingdoms is indeed accurate.

The researchers dated seeds found in pharaohs' tombs, including some from the tomb of the King Tutankhamun.

They write in the journal Science that some of the samples are more than 4,500 years old.

Radiocarbon dating of ancient Egyptian objects is nothing new.

But this time, the scientists say, they were able to use a very precise statistical technique to actually verify the Egyptian history.

"The very first dating done with radiocarbon was dating Egyptian material of known dates, to check that [the method] worked," said Andrew Shortland from Cranfield University in the UK.

"Now, for the very first time, [we] managed to get radiocarbon techniques so good, that we can do it completely the opposite way around. We can say, from using radiocarbon, whether the Egyptian history is correct or not.

"Previously radiocarbon hasn't had a voice on this because the errors had been so great. Now radiocarbon is able to distinguish between different ideas of reconstructing the history."

The study brought together researchers from the UK, France, Austria and Israel.

Oxford radiocarbon accelerator
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Scientists used Oxford's radiocarbon accelerator to date the items

They dated 211 various plants, seeds and papyrus samples, obtained from museum collections.

"The museums were all very helpful in providing material we were interested in—especially important since export of samples from Egypt is currently prohibited," said Christopher Ramsey, the lead author of the study, from the school of archaeology at the University of Oxford.

"Fortunately, we only needed samples that were about the same size as a grain of wheat," he added.

Thomas Higham, another member of the team who is also from the University of Oxford, explained that many items were found in ancient Egyptians' tombs and other archeological sites "where we could independently determine their historical age".

King Tut's tomb
"For example, we used seeds and plant material from Tutankhamun's tomb, which is very precisely dated. We also used seeds from a room underneath the Saqqara step pyramid dated to a specific year of the reign of King Djoser," he said.

Djoser was one of the pharaohs of the third dynasty of the Old Kingdom.

The step pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara is believed to be the oldest stone pyramid in Egypt.

Dr Ramsey's team was able to determine the exact period when this king reigned Egypt - from about 2691 to roughly 2625 BC, said the scientist.

The team found that this particular event took place earlier than some scholars previously thought.

"For the first time, radiocarbon dating has become precise enough to constrain the history of ancient Egypt to very specific dates," said Dr Ramsey.

"I think scholars and scientists will be glad to hear that our small team of researchers has independently corroborated a century of scholarship in just three years."

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Some of the items, among them seeds and papyrus, were more than 4,000 years old
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pspsps 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 20:55 https://www.bbc.com/news/10345875

Radiocarbon dating verifies ancient Egypt's history

图片
The Step Pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara is the oldest stone pyramid in Egypt

By Katia Moskvitch
Science reporter, BBC News
Experts have used scientific dating techniques to verify the historical chronology of ancient Egypt.

Radiocarbon dating was used to show that the chronology of Egypt's Old, Middle and New Kingdoms is indeed accurate.

The researchers dated seeds found in pharaohs' tombs, including some from the tomb of the King Tutankhamun.

They write in the journal Science that some of the samples are more than 4,500 years old.

Radiocarbon dating of ancient Egyptian objects is nothing new.

But this time, the scientists say, they were able to use a very precise statistical technique to actually verify the Egyptian history.

"The very first dating done with radiocarbon was dating Egyptian material of known dates, to check that [the method] worked," said Andrew Shortland from Cranfield University in the UK.

"Now, for the very first time, [we] managed to get radiocarbon techniques so good, that we can do it completely the opposite way around. We can say, from using radiocarbon, whether the Egyptian history is correct or not.

"Previously radiocarbon hasn't had a voice on this because the errors had been so great. Now radiocarbon is able to distinguish between different ideas of reconstructing the history."

The study brought together researchers from the UK, France, Austria and Israel.

Oxford radiocarbon accelerator
图片
Scientists used Oxford's radiocarbon accelerator to date the items

They dated 211 various plants, seeds and papyrus samples, obtained from museum collections.

"The museums were all very helpful in providing material we were interested in—especially important since export of samples from Egypt is currently prohibited," said Christopher Ramsey, the lead author of the study, from the school of archaeology at the University of Oxford.

"Fortunately, we only needed samples that were about the same size as a grain of wheat," he added.

Thomas Higham, another member of the team who is also from the University of Oxford, explained that many items were found in ancient Egyptians' tombs and other archeological sites "where we could independently determine their historical age".

King Tut's tomb
"For example, we used seeds and plant material from Tutankhamun's tomb, which is very precisely dated. We also used seeds from a room underneath the Saqqara step pyramid dated to a specific year of the reign of King Djoser," he said.

Djoser was one of the pharaohs of the third dynasty of the Old Kingdom.

The step pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara is believed to be the oldest stone pyramid in Egypt.

Dr Ramsey's team was able to determine the exact period when this king reigned Egypt - from about 2691 to roughly 2625 BC, said the scientist.

The team found that this particular event took place earlier than some scholars previously thought.

"For the first time, radiocarbon dating has become precise enough to constrain the history of ancient Egypt to very specific dates," said Dr Ramsey.

"I think scholars and scientists will be glad to hear that our small team of researchers has independently corroborated a century of scholarship in just three years."

Seeds and papyrus from ancient Egypt
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Some of the items, among them seeds and papyrus, were more than 4,000 years old
AI总结的碳14测年结果,已经足够证明古埃及历史的真实性,纠缠于个别文物的真假,已经毫无意义。


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下面是整理好的 **古埃及碳-14(C¹⁴)测年成果表**,涵盖主要考古文物、取样材料、测年结果和与王朝纪年的对比。

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## 🏺 古埃及碳-14 测年成果表
类别取样文物样品类型C¹⁴测年结果(校正后)传统王朝年代对比与结论
**金字塔建筑遗物**吉萨胡夫金字塔、哈夫拉金字塔建筑泥浆中芦苇、炭粒、木屑前 2900–2600 年第四王朝(前 2580–前 2530)基本吻合,部分样品偏老约 100–200 年(旧木料再用)
**王后墓葬**吉萨第4王朝王后墓棺木残片、纤维前 2700–2500 年第四王朝晚期与传统年代一致
**木乃伊纺布**新王国图坦卡蒙及同期墓葬裹尸布、亚麻布前 1500–1100 年第十八–二十王朝完全吻合,误差 ±100 年
**祭祀供品**底比斯贵族墓祭坛谷物、干枣、动物骨骼前 1600–1200 年新王国中晚期与墓葬铭文年号一致
**纸草文献**亡灵书(底比斯出土)纸草纤维前 1300–1100 年第十九–二十王朝支持文献抄写年代,可信
**托勒密时期遗物**亚历山大港墓葬木棺、布料前 300–前 50 年托勒密王朝与历史记录完全一致
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## 🔹 综合分析

1. **金字塔及古王国建筑**

* 吉萨金字塔周围有机物的 C¹⁴ 测年结果**基本支持第四王朝年代**
* 个别样品偏老,说明古埃及人有再利用旧木材的习惯

2. **木乃伊与纺织品**

* 纺布、亚麻、纸草测年与王朝纪年**高度吻合**
* 树脂和防腐材料可能造成微小误差

3. **祭祀供品与粮食**

* 墓葬中的谷物、果实测年与随葬铭文对应
* 验证了埃及古代墓葬时间的可靠性

4. **结论**

* 碳-14 测年结果总体**支持古埃及王朝纪年体系**
* 没有发现大规模年代错位
* 对早期王朝(古王国)有助于微调年代 ±100 年

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如果你愿意,我可以进一步整理一张 **时间轴地图**,把碳-14 测年结果和各王朝时期金字塔、神庙、墓葬的空间分布可视化,这样可以直观地看到科学测年的可靠性。

你想让我做这个吗?
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#4 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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oldestghost 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 20:55 现代人作假
那只有让黄教授亲自动手做实验了。
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#5 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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pspsps 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 20:59 那只有让黄教授亲自动手做实验了。
伪史论和核心在于。。。。用最不科学的方式提出疑问。

如果你想证明正确。。。。累。

跟故意恶心人的骗子,没必要纠结科学逻辑。
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#6 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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oldestghost 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 21:03 伪史论和核心在于。。。。用最不科学的方式提出疑问。

如果你想证明正确。。。。累。

跟故意恶心人的骗子,没必要纠结科学逻辑。
所以必须动用AI啊,然后退后两步欣赏他们满地打滚的姿态
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#7 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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伪的意思就是造假。
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pspsps 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 21:06 所以必须动用AI啊,然后退后两步欣赏他们满地打滚的姿态
活人不必跟器人纠结
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#9 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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AI能证明啥?AI不过是训练的数据的反馈,AI能做碳14? AI能保证碳14的结果是真的?
pspsps 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 21:06 所以必须动用AI啊,然后退后两步欣赏他们满地打滚的姿态
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#10 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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randomforest 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 21:34 AI能证明啥?AI不过是训练的数据的反馈,AI能做碳14? AI能保证碳14的结果是真的?
伪史论者打滚开始了。

BBC那篇文章是2010年的,那时有AI吗?
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#11 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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你不是自己口口声声说用AI吗? 你不过是一人云亦云的家伙,一点辩证能力都没有,把AI和BBC当个宝。
pspsps 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 21:38 伪史论者打滚开始了。

BBC那篇文章是2010年的,那时有AI吗?
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randomforest 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 21:45 你不是自己口口声声说用AI吗? 你不过是一人云亦云的家伙,一点辩证能力都没有,把AI和BBC当个宝。
自信一点,BBC报告里有学校有人名,你可以去求证
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#13 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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金字塔是真的不奇怪,良渚文化也有同等土石方的水利工程
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#14 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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Caravel 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 22:22 金字塔是真的不奇怪,良渚文化也有同等土石方的水利工程
转进了吧?你这是典型的伪史论者话术,好比库什纳挎着伊万卡逛街,吸引路人目光,你在旁边说,我也有脸婆,库什纳一点不稀奇。
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这么大的金字塔等建筑作假估计根本不可能,那些可以偷偷地收起来的小型的考古文物作假还有可能
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#16 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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pspsps 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 22:52 转进了吧?你这是典型的伪史论者话术,好比库什纳挎着伊万卡逛街,吸引路人目光,你在旁边说,我也有脸婆,库什纳一点不稀奇。
古埃及是一个很早的文明,

但是并不是很先进

金字塔就是一个石头台子,玛雅也有
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#17 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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你的意思是现代中国人太蠢做不了假?
oldestghost 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 20:55 现代人作假
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#18 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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Caravel 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 23:11 古埃及是一个很早的文明,

但是并不是很先进

金字塔就是一个石头台子,玛雅也有
埃及金字塔和玛雅金字塔之间的差别,就像库什纳老婆和千老脸婆之间的差别,不是一句你有老婆我也有老婆这一句话就能抹平的
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#19 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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pspsps 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 20:59 那只有让黄教授亲自动手做实验了。
他看一眼就行了

或者不看,直接"我以为"。。。。
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#20 Re: 戳破伪史论者的谣言:古埃及文物做过碳14测年

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xexz 写了: 2025年 8月 4日 21:09 伪的意思就是造假。
比如马克思是周文王后裔
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