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#1 Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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金融时报报导,89 to 91 cents on the dollar,加上利息,Oracle的180亿债实际利率已经远超10%了,已经是超级垃圾债了。难怪几天内就发force majeure不可抗力了。

https://www.ft.com/content/bd441859-6c9 ... 25a6b1a6=1

About $18bn of loans tied to a data centre leased to Oracle in New Mexico slid into stressed territory on Friday, highlighting investors’ fear that increasing local backlash will derail the tech group’s massive AI infrastructure build-out. Loans linked to “Project Jupiter” were privately quoted at 89 to 91 cents on the dollar by syndicate banks including Santander and Jefferies, according to people familiar with the matter. Healthy debt typically trades within a tight band near par.

The 1,400-acre data centre campus in Doña Ana County is at the heart of Oracle’s landmark $300bn contract with OpenAI to provide computing power. The marquee project secured $18bn of loans from a consortium of banks late last year to kick-start construction, along with billions of equity investment from Blue Owl. However, efforts to offload the debt to a broader group of investors have hit a wall due to concerns around Oracle’s massive borrowing and declining creditworthiness. The debt secured a private investment-grade rating from credit rating agencies. Oracle’s corporate credit rating currently sits one notch above junk following a downgrade from S&P in July. Banks were now forced to hold more Oracle-linked project debt on their balance sheets than initially planned, the people said. Last week, Oracle’s 82-year-old co-founder Larry Ellison abruptly cancelled a $7.5bn share-trading plan without explanation. Oracle’s stock has plunged 50 per cent since it unveiled its $300bn deal with OpenAI a year ago. Blue Owl declined to comment. Oracle, Santander and Jefferies did not respond to requests for comment. STACK Infrastructure, the project’s developer, also did not respond to a request for comment. Project Jupiter has faced fierce local opposition over concerns about its impact on the local area’s water supply and air quality. The project was initially going to be powered by 2.2 gigawatts of gas turbines, but the state land office blocked a request to run a natural gas pipeline to the data centre. In April, Oracle announced that it would power itself with Bloom fuel cells, which emit less sulphur and nitrogen oxides. But permission to connect a pipeline to feed these was also blocked. The project’s air permit application was paused in August after lawsuits from two environmental groups, although a judge said the process could continue on Thursday. Deb Haaland, New Mexico’s Democratic gubernatorial nominee and a former US Interior secretary, said she would pause all new data centres if elected in November and require developers to heavily invest in renewable energy.

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#2 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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连Gemini都是这么总结的:

Oracle's Debt StatusOracle's corporate credit rating sits at BBB- (one notch above junk status), but parts of its massive AI infrastructure debt are already trading like stressed or junk-rated assets.

Why Markets Are Stressed

Massive AI Spending: Capital expenditures surged past $55 billion in fiscal 2026 and could hit $95 billion.

Negative Cash Flow: Massive data center investments for AI have driven free cash flow deeply negative.

Project Jupiter Strain: Banks are stuck holding $18 billion in un-syndicated loans for a New Mexico data center project, with parts trading around 89 to 91 cents on the dollar.

Customer Concentration: Roughly half of Oracle's $638 billion in future contracted revenue depends on a single partner, OpenAI.

Force Majeure Notice: Oracle recently filed force majeure protections regarding delays at the New Mexico facility to shield itself from lease commitments.

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#3 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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拉力怎么不向聚聚求助?

超算中心1750亿,让聚聚向新墨西哥施压,或许就放行天然气管道了。

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#4 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Bitcoin 写了: 今天 10:54

拉力怎么不向聚聚求助?

超算中心1750亿,让聚聚向新墨西哥施压,或许就放行天然气管道了。

这根本不是天然气的问题,这个数据中心如果建成,用电量是New Mexico全州家庭用电量的3倍!几乎是无法完成的任务,而且New Mexico也没有足够的水源,当年计划的时候根本没有计划清楚,看看怎么继续下去。

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#5 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Yellen 写了: 今天 10:58

这根本不是天然气的问题,这个数据中心如果建成,用电量是New Mexico全州家庭用电量的3倍!几乎是无法完成的任务,而且New Mexico也没有足够的水源,当年计划的时候根本没有计划清楚,看看怎么继续下去。

就是一点冷却水,花费不了多少吧?
实在不行,把里面的AI 芯片都拆走,搬到德州重新建造!

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#6 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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就是一点冷却水,花费不了多少吧?
现在不行,把里面的AI 芯片都拆走,搬到德州重新建造!

哪里是一点冷却水,而且数据中心所在地是沙漠。

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#7 Re: Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Yellen 写了: 今天 10:52

金融时报报导,89 to 91 cents on the dollar,加上利息,Oracle的180亿债实际利率已经远超10%了,已经是超级垃圾债了。难怪几天内就发force majeure不可抗力了。

https://www.ft.com/content/bd441859-6c9 ... 25a6b1a6=1

About $18bn of loans tied to a data centre leased to Oracle in New Mexico slid into stressed territory on Friday, highlighting investors’ fear that increasing local backlash will derail the tech group’s massive AI infrastructure build-out. Loans linked to “Project Jupiter” were privately quoted at 89 to 91 cents on the dollar by syndicate banks including Santander and Jefferies, according to people familiar with the matter. Healthy debt typically trades within a tight band near par.

The 1,400-acre data centre campus in Doña Ana County is at the heart of Oracle’s landmark $300bn contract with OpenAI to provide computing power. The marquee project secured $18bn of loans from a consortium of banks late last year to kick-start construction, along with billions of equity investment from Blue Owl. However, efforts to offload the debt to a broader group of investors have hit a wall due to concerns around Oracle’s massive borrowing and declining creditworthiness. The debt secured a private investment-grade rating from credit rating agencies. Oracle’s corporate credit rating currently sits one notch above junk following a downgrade from S&P in July. Banks were now forced to hold more Oracle-linked project debt on their balance sheets than initially planned, the people said. Last week, Oracle’s 82-year-old co-founder Larry Ellison abruptly cancelled a $7.5bn share-trading plan without explanation. Oracle’s stock has plunged 50 per cent since it unveiled its $300bn deal with OpenAI a year ago. Blue Owl declined to comment. Oracle, Santander and Jefferies did not respond to requests for comment. STACK Infrastructure, the project’s developer, also did not respond to a request for comment. Project Jupiter has faced fierce local opposition over concerns about its impact on the local area’s water supply and air quality. The project was initially going to be powered by 2.2 gigawatts of gas turbines, but the state land office blocked a request to run a natural gas pipeline to the data centre. In April, Oracle announced that it would power itself with Bloom fuel cells, which emit less sulphur and nitrogen oxides. But permission to connect a pipeline to feed these was also blocked. The project’s air permit application was paused in August after lawsuits from two environmental groups, although a judge said the process could continue on Thursday. Deb Haaland, New Mexico’s Democratic gubernatorial nominee and a former US Interior secretary, said she would pause all new data centres if elected in November and require developers to heavily invest in renewable energy.

你 short 了吗?

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#8 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Yellen 写了: 今天 11:03

哪里是一点冷却水,而且数据中心所在地是沙漠。

选址的真是个傻瓜!

  1. 会选蓝州造DC!
  2. 会选沙漠造DC!

这样的应该立即被开除!

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#9 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Yellen 写了: 今天 10:58

这根本不是天然气的问题,这个数据中心如果建成,用电量是New Mexico全州家庭用电量的3倍!几乎是无法完成的任务,而且New Mexico也没有足够的水源,当年计划的时候根本没有计划清楚,看看怎么继续下去。

目前流行的核电呢?
去阿拉斯加建数据中心如何?石油天然气管够,散热效率高

郁孤台下清江水,中间多少行人泪。刘郎已恨蓬山远,更隔蓬山一万重。
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#10 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Trump 写了: 今天 11:05

目前流行的核电呢?
去阿拉斯加建数据中心如何?石油天然气管够,散热效率高

核电才是真的需要大量的冷却水,所以大多数靠海,直接拿海水来冷却。

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#11 Re: Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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数据中心应该选择Chicago附近。有人,有水,有冷空气。

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#12 Re: Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Indiana Gary就可以,一样冷,地还便宜

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#13 Re: Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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数据中心的位置和地貌,就是美墨边境的沙漠里。俺一直不太懂,为啥要选这种地方? 按说要散热,选北方冷的地方,而且有大量河湖的地方不是更好吗?

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#14 Re: Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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不明白。。。难道在最初选址的时候,新墨州政府没有批准吗?
为啥现在又突然“不可抗拒力”了?

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涅槃~

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Yellen 写了: 今天 10:58

这根本不是天然气的问题,这个数据中心如果建成,用电量是New Mexico全州家庭用电量的3倍!几乎是无法完成的任务,而且New Mexico也没有足够的水源,当年计划的时候根本没有计划清楚,看看怎么继续下去。

不对吧,Jupiter用的是no potable well water,而且是closed-loop, non-evaporative cooling system,电是自己的专线,而且是独立于地方公共电网的。

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#16 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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Yellen 写了: 今天 10:54

连Gemini都是这么总结的:

Oracle's Debt StatusOracle's corporate credit rating sits at BBB- (one notch above junk status), but parts of its massive AI infrastructure debt are already trading like stressed or junk-rated assets.

让它用中文写一份总结吧。英文看着累

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#17 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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就算有天然气,燃气轮机够用吗?

Yellen 写了: 今天 10:58

这根本不是天然气的问题,这个数据中心如果建成,用电量是New Mexico全州家庭用电量的3倍!几乎是无法完成的任务,而且New Mexico也没有足够的水源,当年计划的时候根本没有计划清楚,看看怎么继续下去。

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#18 Re: Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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其实原因就是土地便宜, Large plots of cheap, wide-open space allow companies like Google, Microsoft, and Apple to build massive, sprawling server farms.

还有州的税收政策。

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#19 Re: Oracle180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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branching 写了: 今天 11:21

不对吧,Jupiter用的是no potable well water,而且是closed-loop, non-evaporative cooling system,电是自己的专线,而且是独立于地方公共电网的。

电是自己的专线没错,但是用电量相当于New Mexico全州家庭用电量的3倍,它的专线电要怎么发出来?所以才会大幅delay。

Oracle的债quoted at 89 ‌to 91 cents to a dollar, 已经是超级垃圾债了,而且还发了不可抗力,市场已经在预估这个项目最后烂尾。

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#20 Re: Oracle 180亿建数据中心的债务要崩盘了,已经是超垃圾债了

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ORCL 的债务危机会危及其他数据中心, 比如IREN, NBIS 吗?

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