俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

对应老买买提的军事天地,观点交锋比较激烈,反驳不留情面,请作好心理准备。因为此版帖子太多,所以新帖不出现在首页新帖列表,防止首页新帖刷屏太快。


版主: Softfist

回复
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

We publish a request from the editors of the Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat and the answer:
Dear Evgeny Viktorovich!
Request from the Russian-language department of the Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat (News in Russian), which publishes our news in Russian.
First of all, we would like to thank you for your response to the previous query by Helsingin Sanomat published on 11/25/2022. Despite the fact that we have not been able to find additional information about any of the “about 20” Finnish citizens fighting in the Wagner PMC, we highly appreciate your willingness to communicate with representatives of the Western press.
We would be grateful if you could shed light on two more points for us:
1) We read with great interest your article on the current situation, published on 04/14/2023. In it, for the first time, we heard from you proposals to “put a bullet” and “announce the end of the NWO”. Please tell me what was the main reason that led you to such thoughts? The strength of the Ukrainian army? Insufficient level of Russianand the regular army? Internal political nuances?
2) You are one of the brightest specialists in international military policy. How do you assess the technical equipment and combat capability of the modern Finnish army? In what place would you put it in comparison with other European armies?

We publish a comment by Evgeny Prigozhin:
"Good afternoon! You asked an absolutely correct question, because foreign media took the most basic thing from my article, that you need to put an end to the CBO. Pay attention, my article is called "Only a fair fight, no agreement." The main idea of my article is only a fair fight. There is no way to follow the lead of the Western coalition. Therefore, the task is to put an end to the special operation, of course, exclusively observing all the interests of Russia, I immediately repeat once again - both for the authorities and for society as a whole, today it is necessary to put, attention, some fat point in the NWO. This bold point is the capture of Bakhmut, access to Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, and some other serious conquests. Further idealThe other option is to announce the end of the NWO, to inform everyone that Russia has achieved all the results that it planned. Because the main task of the SVO - since the results of this SVO and the tasks are blurred - it is necessary to put some kind of bold point. And the people of Russia must be satisfied with this set point.
We have ground, I said, a huge number of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and this, among other things, is one of the tasks that were set during the beginning of the NMD - the demilitarization of Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine was stuffed with Western weapons, but the very destruction of a combat-ready population is a serious result for any war. Therefore, I am not proposing to stop the NWO in any way, I am saying that we can announce the end of the NWO so that the Russian people, the Russians, know that the results that we set for ourselves have been achieved and that we have received a sense of satisfaction from what has been done. Here is the basis of what I said. There is no decline. As the head of Wagner PMC, I have no hopelessness. We are ready to fightsya. Until the end or until the next step. This is the first.
Second question. Thank you if you consider me an expert. I don't consider myself one. But in order to evaluate the Finnish army - technical equipment and combat capability, it must be felt with your hands. Feeling with your hands is always necessary in practice. Therefore, if you are ready to make this proposal to the leadership of Finland, let's do it in the following way. We will choose a convenient site, you will send 500 well-equipped Finnish soldiers there, and I will arrive there with 500 Wagner PMC fighters. And we will fight for some object. But the only contract is we fight to the death. Until this object comes under the control of one of the belligerents. We kill each other for real and evaluate who is stronger? The strongest private army of PMC Wagner or the Finnish army today.
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

During the assault on the central district of Bakhmut, many objects were taken by the "musicians" with the effect of surprise.

So, they entered a nine-story building through the third floor, taking the enemy by surprise, squeezing him from both sides.

The militants are morally depressed, there are mountains of empty alcohol bottles in Ukrainian positions - they are drinking their country on drink.

In agony, Ukrainian soldiers resort to human shield tactics, taking civilians hostage.
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

200==wounded
---i

Border guards from western Ukraine perform the role of detachments in Bakhmut.

They don't let the mobilized Ukrainians back, they don't let them retreat. You don't have to choose: either 200 or captured.
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

The German armored car Dingo was destroyed in the Bakhmut area.

White Nazi crosses were included.
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

❗️Prigozhin supported the petition for the resignation of Governor Beglov.

"Today, a group of young guys from the City of Change posted a petition on their telegram channel for the removal of Governor A.D. Beglov from office.

And so I think, well done guys, I am in favor of removing Beglov and I ask everyone to support their petition."
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

Ukrainian militants, retreating, blow up houses and administrative buildings in Bakhmut.

According to the fighters of PMC "Wagner", the Ukrainians are trying to slow down the offensive of the Russian military, liberating the city.

"We are getting close, identifying the enemy's points and working with larger-caliber weapons."

In addition, they are trying to prevent the "musicians" from hanging flags on the occupied heights, as was the case with the city administration in early April.
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

meiyoumajia 写了: 2023年 4月 17日 12:10 the above example about shells' effect---------
wagner
6000 shells:20+40 people
3000 shells: 120+240
differences: 100+200 people

ukrainians
6000 shells: 500 people
3000 shells: 300 people
difference: -200 people

so, the overall difference would be:
100+200-(-200)=500

huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!

prigozhin once said: february kills was 11000, or about 350 per day

i saw other numbers mentioned by wagner or russian dod: 350+/-100

----i

turkey earthquake? near 58000


meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

"still a moral history!"?
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »








10+ minutes long video





此帖超过 10 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
此帖超过 10 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »


meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »




meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »




meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »


本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
上次由 meiyoumajia 在 2023年 4月 17日 13:57 修改。
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

exactly where?
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

avdiivka area
---i

本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主
论坛元老
论坛元老
帖子互动: 56
帖子: 17351
注册时间: 2022年 7月 22日 15:16
来自: 宇宙

Re: 俄对美英德法波乌等战争之Bakhmut之战,和然后,和中国,和宇宙,和其他

帖子 meiyoumajia(没有马甲)楼主 »

本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
本页超过 30 条嵌入内容,超出的已被忽略!
回复

回到 “军事天地(Military)”