拥枪权是美国的identity，如果禁枪了，那美国就被阉割了

[StillWandering]

从美国立国之日起，拥枪权就写在宪法里。是除了言论自由之外的第二大公民权利。极左民主党动不动就要禁枪，其实就是要把美利坚阉割了

禁枪要三分之二民意通过修改宪法的，that's impossible，大家说的都是控枪，共和党对控枪丝毫不肯作为，这个是非常冷血而且疯狂执拗不理智的，普通极右拥枪派也是被利用了。

[StillWandering]

从美国立国之日起，拥枪权就写在宪法里。是除了言论自由之外的第二大公民权利。极左民主党动不动就要禁枪，其实就是要把美利坚阉割了

美国立国时写的拥枪权那是火枪，根本就没有说可以拥有AK 47， AR15这种大杀器。控枪也绝对不违法宪法！

[resso]

枪是某些人的jj，那么问题来了，他的真jj在哪里？

[sc7s]

现在说“控枪”，其实极左的目标就是要禁枪。

准确的说是禁守法公民的枪。

[fortyNiner]

It's not in the constitution, it's in the amendment. BTW, what is an amendment? It's a modification to the constitution. So even a constitution can be modified, why can't an amendment?

从美国立国之日起，拥枪权就写在宪法里。是除了言论自由之外的第二大公民权利。极左民主党动不动就要禁枪，其实就是要把美利坚阉割了

[hci]

Of course it can be amended.

What's puzzling is this, why don't you call for abolishment of the 2nd amendament?

Go ahead, work on it.

It's not in the constitution, it's in the amendment. BTW, what is an amendment? It's a modification to the constitution. So even a constitution can be modified, why can't an amendment?

[fortyNiner]

Work has been done, is being done, and more will be done.

Of course it can be amended.

What's puzzling is this, why don't you call for abolishment of the 2nd amendament?

Go ahead, work on it.

[hci]

Great！Work harder. Let's get this civil war started sooner than later.

Work has been done, is being done, and more will be done.

[fortyNiner]

Regardless what you and I say here. Nothing you or I can stop.

Great！Work harder. Let's get this civil war started sooner than later.

[Yellen]

Work has been done, is being done, and more will be done.

做了啥？捐款了？参加抗议活动了？还是天天在中文网上口水战？

枪友会的好歹大多都是NRA，GOA的会员。每年购置的弹药和器材也算真正支持驰禁派。你自己做了什么实质工作？

[fortyNiner]

My vote.
I could say I have done this and that, I can just bluff as some on this board have been doing all the time, but there is nothing for me to gain by bluffing.

做了啥？捐款了？参加抗议活动了？还是天天在中文网上口水战？

枪友会的好歹大多都是NRA，GOA的会员。每年购置的弹药和器材也算真正支持驰禁派。你自己做了什么实质工作？

[Sinner]

从美国立国之日起，拥枪权就写在宪法里。是除了言论自由之外的第二大公民权利。极左民主党动不动就要禁枪，其实就是要把美利坚阉割了

这是大势所趋，全球都在加强对屁民的统治监控，枪是早晚要收掉的，时间问题而已。每次民主党选情捉鸡时候一定会有一堆枪击，然后就到处都是一堆打鸡血的禁枪帖子。言论自由早就开始收紧了，Twitter被马一龙买下来，早晚也要被搞死。央行电子货币一出，以后你吃什么都不是自己决定。不让你吃牛排，结账叫你通不过，那些被洗完脑的左左到时候排队抢购高大上的虫子汉堡。自由个鸡毛。好日子有得过就过吧，别成天来这儿浪费生命

[Yellen]

My vote.
I could say I have done this and that, I can just bluff as some on this board have been doing all the time, but there is nothing for me to gain by bluffing.

光vote屁用没有，俺vote straight ticket republican，把你抵消了。只要猪裆搞一天BLM，woke，老子就不会给任何猪裆的投一票。

[fortyNiner]

Well, if you say buying guns and ammunition is supporting gun-right, then not buying them is hurting it. Anyway, I am just here killing time. What else do you think anyone here can do?

光vote屁用没有，俺vote straight ticket republican，把你抵消了。只要猪裆搞一天BLM，woke，老子就不会给任何猪裆的投一票。

[jhe123]

这是大势所趋，全球都在加强对屁民的统治监控，枪是早晚要收掉的，时间问题而已。每次民主党选情捉鸡时候一定会有一堆枪击，然后就到处都是一堆打鸡血的禁枪帖子。言论自由早就开始收紧了，Twitter被马一龙买下来，早晚也要被搞死。央行电子货币一出，以后你吃什么都不是自己决定。不让你吃牛排，结账叫你通不过，那些被洗完脑的左左到时候排队抢购高大上的虫子汉堡。自由个鸡毛。好日子有得过就过吧，别成天来这儿浪费生命

基本同意你的悲观判断，在体系内以和平方式角力，总体趋势就是平民的权利越来越被侵蚀，虽然制度不同的国家侵蚀的速度不一样。所以我说美国的一亿枪民和四亿条枪是人类自由的最后保障。但这也只是物质上的保障，最终还是得看人，当权利被侵蚀到极限时，美国人是选择忍受还是反抗就无法预知了。只能希望那时候美国人民能对得起land of the free home of the brave的称号。

[fortyNiner]

They don't even use their guns against criminals, what makes you so optimistic that they will use them against a possible tyranny, which is a million times more powerful than the street thugs?

基本同意你的悲观判断，在体系内以和平方式角力，总体趋势就是平民的权利越来越被侵蚀，虽然制度不同的国家侵蚀的速度不一样。所以我说美国的一亿枪民和四亿条枪是人类自由的最后保障。但这也只是物质上的保障，最终还是得看人，当权利被侵蚀到极限时，美国人是选择忍受还是反抗就无法预知了。只能希望那时候美国人民能对得起land of the free home of the brave的称号。

[jhe123]

They don't even use their guns against criminals, what makes you so optimistic that they will use them against a possible tyranny, which is a million times more powerful than the street thugs?

又尼玛的胡说八道。那些平民用枪自卫打死打伤罪犯的自卫案例你是全部假装不存在了？

[fortyNiner]

Did I ever say they are non-existent? They are happening in a negligible scale. Roughly speaking, when a gun was used once for defense, about 50 innocent people were killed or wounded in recent years.
(Look at my post on 5/6. --https://newmitbbs.com/viewtopic.php?t=184460 )
Gun Violence Archive gives reference and link of every single case. If you don't trust its data, go find one that is fake. You can also go find one defensive gun usage that is not reported by it to discredit it. This is what reliable means.

又尼玛的胡说八道。那些平民用枪自卫打死打伤罪犯的自卫案例你是全部假装不存在了？

[Havana]

把willful, malicious,accidental的数据混在一起很不科学。

Did I ever say they are non-existent? They are happening in a negligible scale. Roughly speaking, when a gun was used once for defense, about 50 innocent people were killed or wounded in recent years.
Gun Violence Archive gives reference and link of every single case. If you don't trust its data, go find one that is fake. You can also go find one defensive gun usage that is not reported by it to discredit it. This is what reliable means.

[Jack12345]

基本同意你的悲观判断，在体系内以和平方式角力，总体趋势就是平民的权利越来越被侵蚀，虽然制度不同的国家侵蚀的速度不一样。所以我说美国的一亿枪民和四亿条枪是人类自由的最后保障。但这也只是物质上的保障，最终还是得看人，当权利被侵蚀到极限时，美国人是选择忍受还是反抗就无法预知了。只能希望那时候美国人民能对得起land of the free home of the brave的称号。

原来 德国 也可以 老百姓 持枪的，也有 选举 和 反对党的，也有 私人 民间报纸的。

但 希特勒通过 选举上台后，首先 借口 枪 造成 社会危害，不允许 私人 拥有枪了。和 民主党的 策略 何其相似

然后 下一步 又把 民间报纸 给 取消了。最后 借口 国会纵火案，再把 反对党 给取消了，也没选举了

然后 下一步 是 地狱，就死了 几千万人了