才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
版主: kazaawang, wh
#1 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
旧版聊过她不少。新版也说起过:
viewtopic.php?p=1803861#p1803861
李同学北大生物本科毕业,出国后转写作。纽约客常客。曾获麦克阿瑟天才奖和福克纳小说奖。现任普林斯顿大学Director of the Program in Creative Writing。
曾抑郁,2012年两次自杀未遂。2017年,16岁的大儿子撞火车自尽。上周五,刚上普林斯顿一年级的小儿子又被火车撞死。事故原因还在调查,不过火车没有出轨,车上乘客没有受伤;学校附近的火车都有严格的安全措施,看来又是一场自尽啊……我一邻居当场见过一女孩撞火车,说你永远不想见到人被撞成什么样子,极其惨烈……
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2024/02/ ... e-james-li
The University community mourns the loss of undergraduate James Li
By The Office of Communications
on Feb. 20, 2024, 12:35 p.m.
James Li, 19, a member of the Class of 2027, died on Friday, Feb. 16, in Princeton.
Li was from Princeton, attended Princeton High School, and was a member of Yeh College at the University.
An avid reader of philosophers including Wittgenstein and Camus, Li had a particular interest in linguistics, loved playing computer games and learning new languages, and studied Spanish, Italian, Japanese, Welsh, Romanian and German (the last three self-taught).
The University has extended condolences to Yiyun and Dapeng Li, James’ parents. It hosted an opportunity on Saturday, Feb. 17, for students to gather, reflect and support one another.
Resources and support are available through Counseling and Psychological Services (CPS), the Office of Religious Life, the residential colleges, and the Graduate School. Students wishing to speak with a counselor can call 609-258-3141. Faculty and staff may contact Carebridge to speak with a licensed professional by calling 800-437-0911.
https://paw.princeton.edu/article/princ ... n-Yiyun-Li
Princeton Student Struck by Train Was Creative Writing Director’s Son
By Elisabeth H. Daugherty
Published online February 21, 2024
The freshman who was struck and killed by the Dinky train on Feb. 16 is the son of Yiyun Li, according to a statement from the University. She joined the Princeton faculty in 2017 and is currently director of the Program in Creative Writing.
James Li ’27 was a Princeton High School graduate. His father is Dapeng Li, the statement said. New Jersey Transit is investigating and has not released the cause of death.
A lauded writer and novelist, Yiyun Li has written about her journey through depression and grief after her older son, Vincent Li, died by suicide when he was struck by a train in 2017. In 2022, The New York Times wrote that Yiyun Li had become “something of a beacon to those suffering beneath unbearable weight.”
James Li is the second freshman to die this academic year; Sophia Jones ’27 died by suicide on Nov. 29. Seven Princeton students have died from various causes since May 2022.
...
viewtopic.php?p=1803861#p1803861
李同学北大生物本科毕业,出国后转写作。纽约客常客。曾获麦克阿瑟天才奖和福克纳小说奖。现任普林斯顿大学Director of the Program in Creative Writing。
曾抑郁,2012年两次自杀未遂。2017年,16岁的大儿子撞火车自尽。上周五,刚上普林斯顿一年级的小儿子又被火车撞死。事故原因还在调查,不过火车没有出轨,车上乘客没有受伤;学校附近的火车都有严格的安全措施,看来又是一场自尽啊……我一邻居当场见过一女孩撞火车,说你永远不想见到人被撞成什么样子,极其惨烈……
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2024/02/ ... e-james-li
The University community mourns the loss of undergraduate James Li
By The Office of Communications
on Feb. 20, 2024, 12:35 p.m.
James Li, 19, a member of the Class of 2027, died on Friday, Feb. 16, in Princeton.
Li was from Princeton, attended Princeton High School, and was a member of Yeh College at the University.
An avid reader of philosophers including Wittgenstein and Camus, Li had a particular interest in linguistics, loved playing computer games and learning new languages, and studied Spanish, Italian, Japanese, Welsh, Romanian and German (the last three self-taught).
The University has extended condolences to Yiyun and Dapeng Li, James’ parents. It hosted an opportunity on Saturday, Feb. 17, for students to gather, reflect and support one another.
Resources and support are available through Counseling and Psychological Services (CPS), the Office of Religious Life, the residential colleges, and the Graduate School. Students wishing to speak with a counselor can call 609-258-3141. Faculty and staff may contact Carebridge to speak with a licensed professional by calling 800-437-0911.
https://paw.princeton.edu/article/princ ... n-Yiyun-Li
Princeton Student Struck by Train Was Creative Writing Director’s Son
By Elisabeth H. Daugherty
Published online February 21, 2024
The freshman who was struck and killed by the Dinky train on Feb. 16 is the son of Yiyun Li, according to a statement from the University. She joined the Princeton faculty in 2017 and is currently director of the Program in Creative Writing.
James Li ’27 was a Princeton High School graduate. His father is Dapeng Li, the statement said. New Jersey Transit is investigating and has not released the cause of death.
A lauded writer and novelist, Yiyun Li has written about her journey through depression and grief after her older son, Vincent Li, died by suicide when he was struck by a train in 2017. In 2022, The New York Times wrote that Yiyun Li had become “something of a beacon to those suffering beneath unbearable weight.”
James Li is the second freshman to die this academic year; Sophia Jones ’27 died by suicide on Nov. 29. Seven Princeton students have died from various causes since May 2022.
...
#5 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
了文学城上的文章, 说他的母亲 李翊云在 2012年因精神崩溃,两度尝试自杀。且在康复后一度失去对写作的兴趣。
她在2017年出版的回忆录《亲爱的朋友》中讲述了自己的抑郁经历。在该书出版几个月后,十六岁的长子文森特自杀身亡,而如今小儿子James Li也逝世..
由此推测, 这种抑郁症有可能是遗传。另外家庭生活中如果有诱发他母亲抑郁的诱因, 也有可能继续诱发他哥哥和他自己的精神健康障碍。
她在2017年出版的回忆录《亲爱的朋友》中讲述了自己的抑郁经历。在该书出版几个月后,十六岁的长子文森特自杀身亡,而如今小儿子James Li也逝世..
由此推测, 这种抑郁症有可能是遗传。另外家庭生活中如果有诱发他母亲抑郁的诱因, 也有可能继续诱发他哥哥和他自己的精神健康障碍。
#10 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
书 读太多了。特别是 各种文学大家,都神经很敏感,多愁善感。你要没有社会阅历,在小时候 看多了 这类文学作品,有很大几率 会去自杀的Wawa123 写了: 2024年 2月 22日 00:42 了文学城上的文章, 说他的母亲 李翊云在 2012年因精神崩溃,两度尝试自杀。且在康复后一度失去对写作的兴趣。
她在2017年出版的回忆录《亲爱的朋友》中讲述了自己的抑郁经历。在该书出版几个月后,十六岁的长子文森特自杀身亡,而如今小儿子James Li也逝世..
由此推测, 这种抑郁症有可能是遗传。另外家庭生活中如果有诱发他母亲抑郁的诱因, 也有可能继续诱发他哥哥和他自己的精神健康障碍。
要看 也应该看 武侠小说 修仙小说呢
所以 美国 提倡 儿童少年 体育锻炼 还是很有用的,出一身臭汗,倒头就睡。估计 压根从来没想过 自杀的事
碰到这样的 过敏感少年,我还 情愿他去打 电动游戏呢
x3

上次由 Jack12345 在 2024年 2月 22日 00:56 修改。
#11 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
抑郁症是有遗传。看学校对小娃的介绍,他喜欢哲学,喜欢维特根斯坦。维特根斯坦就有家族抑郁症。娃肯定有妈的语言天赋,小小年纪就会六种语言。维特根斯坦搞语言学,娃也喜欢语言学。加缪搞存在主义,孤僻但推崇与命运抗争。娃大概也有孤僻的倾向,可惜没能抗过去……Wawa123 写了: 2024年 2月 22日 00:42 了文学城上的文章, 说他的母亲 李翊云在 2012年因精神崩溃,两度尝试自杀。且在康复后一度失去对写作的兴趣。
她在2017年出版的回忆录《亲爱的朋友》中讲述了自己的抑郁经历。在该书出版几个月后,十六岁的长子文森特自杀身亡,而如今小儿子James Li也逝世..
由此推测, 这种抑郁症有可能是遗传。另外家庭生活中如果有诱发他母亲抑郁的诱因, 也有可能继续诱发他哥哥和他自己的精神健康障碍。
李翊云当初是怎么自杀的……两个娃都是撞火车,弟弟为什么要这么随哥哥

#15 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
教育小朋友首先是培养强大内心自信有责任的态度Jack12345 写了: 2024年 2月 22日 00:55 书 读太多了。特别是 各种文学大家,都神经很敏感,多愁善感。你要没有社会阅历,在小时候 看多了 这类文学作品,有很大几率 会去自杀的
要看 也应该看 武侠小说 修仙小说呢
所以 美国 提倡 儿童少年 体育锻炼 还是很有用的,出一身臭汗,倒头就睡。估计 压根从来没想过 自杀的事
碰到这样的 过敏感少年,我还 情愿他去打 电动游戏呢
单纯读书追求藤校大失败 2cents
#17 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
她现在不抑郁吧?看她写了一本what gardening offered after a son's death,外国作家都很少有这么直接写子女之死的,更别说中国作家。当然她不能算中国或中文作家,她说不用中文写作,因为无法用中文自如表达,只能用英语才能流畅倾吐。
又看到她是浙江缙云人,缙云几乎比杭州更美啊,可惜她怎么有那么深的心理阴影。
#18 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
她为什么 英语 比 中文 都好?国内 应该 读过大学了吧。这么晚出国的,我有点不太理解wh. 写了: 2024年 2月 22日 01:09 她现在不抑郁吧?看她写了一本what gardening offered after a son's death,外国作家都很少有这么直接写子女之死的,更别说中国作家。当然她不能算中国或中文作家,她说不用中文写作,因为无法用中文自如表达,只能用英语才能流畅倾吐。
又看到她是浙江缙云人,缙云几乎比杭州更美啊,可惜她怎么有那么深的心理阴影。
#19 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
查了一下维特根斯坦家族,连姐夫/妹夫都能传染上……不过也可能他们本身就有抑郁。
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/book ... olt-t.html
The tyrannical family patriarch was Karl Wittgenstein (1847-1913), a steel, banking and arms magnate. He and his timorous wife, Leopoldine, brought nine children into the world. Of the five boys, three certainly or probably committed suicide and two were plagued by suicidal impulses throughout their lives. Of the three daughters who survived into adulthood, two got married; both husbands ended up insane and one died by his own hand.
https://www.thelivingphilosophy.com/how ... tgenstein/
The intensity of Wittgenstein’s personality was not limited to philosophy. He struggled with crippling doubts about the value of his own life and there were stretches of years where he struggled with the shadow of suicide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/book ... olt-t.html
The tyrannical family patriarch was Karl Wittgenstein (1847-1913), a steel, banking and arms magnate. He and his timorous wife, Leopoldine, brought nine children into the world. Of the five boys, three certainly or probably committed suicide and two were plagued by suicidal impulses throughout their lives. Of the three daughters who survived into adulthood, two got married; both husbands ended up insane and one died by his own hand.
https://www.thelivingphilosophy.com/how ... tgenstein/
The intensity of Wittgenstein’s personality was not limited to philosophy. He struggled with crippling doubts about the value of his own life and there were stretches of years where he struggled with the shadow of suicide.
-
- 论坛支柱
2024年度优秀版主
Zephyrca 的博客 - 帖子互动: 1256
- 帖子: 11374
- 注册时间: 2022年 8月 12日 22:10
#20 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
这种情况极有可能是遗传啊……Wawa123 写了: 2024年 2月 22日 00:42 了文学城上的文章, 说他的母亲 李翊云在 2012年因精神崩溃,两度尝试自杀。且在康复后一度失去对写作的兴趣。
她在2017年出版的回忆录《亲爱的朋友》中讲述了自己的抑郁经历。在该书出版几个月后,十六岁的长子文森特自杀身亡,而如今小儿子James Li也逝世..
由此推测, 这种抑郁症有可能是遗传。另外家庭生活中如果有诱发他母亲抑郁的诱因, 也有可能继续诱发他哥哥和他自己的精神健康障碍。
#21 Re: 才知道那个得麦克阿瑟天才奖的李翊云的小娃也没了啊……
北大本科生物读完后出国的。不是中文不好,是她极其厌恶中文环境吧,觉得用中文无法表达真实内心,只有用英语才能让思想自由地流淌出来。她写过幼儿园老师怎样虚伪和欺负她,军训环境怎样压抑等等。刚看到她说她妈从小虐待她?那怪不得了。
抄一段以前的讨论:
viewtopic.php?p=1803861#p1803861
她和哈金的写作主旨都符合纽约客之类刊物的路子,痛斥中国政府扼杀自由人性,所以成名快。华人对她的批评更多一点,比如哗众取宠。哈金好像写华女和黑男、同性或变性等边缘人,手法比较吸睛。记不起李翊云是不是也这样。两人的政治描述常有夸张失实。当然小说不拘于现实,不过故意夸张有讨好西媒之嫌。李翊云的ten thousand prayers被喜福会的导演王颖拍成电影,其中给我印象最深的是她说她无法用中文表达自己的感情,只能用英语才能流畅倾吐。当时我看得很反感;不过我自己也很讨厌官腔和文革语言。作家对文字更敏感,相信这是她的真心话,无论是否受外界影响。