老川人品不敢恭维。wh 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 01:11 川普的什么政策是为富人谋利益的？
tpp是什么……
拜登怎么挑唆乌克兰挑衅俄罗斯？
我也觉得视频里川普万斯口口声声骂拜登、奥巴马、克林顿等等，自吹自擂能和普京说得上话，这些行为极其狭隘小气，没有一点领导人的风度。
350碧玲是啥……
飞猴是谁？
菲律宾猴子。
见证历史， 真是开眼了
版主： kazaawang， wh
-
datoumao（大头猫）
- 论坛元老
2023-24年度十大优秀网友
datoumao 的博客 - 帖子互动： 2383
- 帖子： 14408
- 注册时间： 2022年 10月 22日 01:42
#63 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
有没有一点领导人的风度和我有p关系么？
有关系的是拿我交的税去刷领导人的风度，然后pua我们交的还不够，这就和我有关了
有关系的是拿我交的税去刷领导人的风度，然后pua我们交的还不够，这就和我有关了
wh 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 01:11 川普的什么政策是为富人谋利益的？
tpp是什么……
拜登怎么挑唆乌克兰挑衅俄罗斯？
我也觉得视频里川普万斯口口声声骂拜登、奥巴马、克林顿等等，自吹自擂能和普京说得上话，这些行为极其狭隘小气，没有一点领导人的风度。
350碧玲是啥……
飞猴是谁？
If printing money would end poverty, printing diplomas would end stupidity.
#68 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
你看完50分钟了么？里面有一个thanks么？我是没听见，你自己找找. pua指的是左派每天告诉我们现在这个税率太低了
wh 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 15:27 有关，人品差总是被人看不起的。
可以不给钱，也可以谈判拿回钱，但仗着自己有钱就耍横是没品。
没觉得泽连斯基刷风度pua人，据说他说了二三十遍感谢？可怜填不满两颗傲慢自大的心。
If printing money would end poverty, printing diplomas would end stupidity.
#70 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
目前为止肯定不会走那条路的，司机还能靠着欧洲继续打，如果欧洲也不支持了，可以造核蛋蛋，司机手里的牌还是不少的water77 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 09:42 司机只能死磕到底
如果投降大毛
司机个人就是死路一条
大毛心狠手辣睚眦必报
无数历史事件证明
投降派没好果子吃
最后就是去当炮灰
或者被自杀
对毛子品性
司机门清
#72 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
美援断了对乌克兰不是坏事。如果俄乌战争变成欧洲内部战争了，没有美国支持了，中国肯定不会再援助俄了，因为中国想跟欧洲合作，这是求之不得的好机会。另外中国肯定不希望俄瓜分乌变得壮大，俄就在中国旁边，加上亲美的话，会非常非常危险。ZMZM 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 11:05 惨不惨说实话真的不清楚，战争对俄的影响似乎也不大。不过现在仗没打完，美援一旦切断，俄可以用军事结束战争。那时候谈判就是肢解乌克兰了。泽不清楚川普看似帮俄，其实如果就地停火对乌是最有利的。因为现在所有的问题是乌在战场上在后退，人力物力都在衰竭，否则如果乌军大胜，根本不需要谈判。也许他骗人把自己都骗进去了。
#73 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
我发现你连当年基本常识都不知道，还有脸发这么多贴？AQ14 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 04:04 14年橙色革命总听说过吧？ 牛栏德为代表的漂亮在里面的作用有公开资料可查。 把民选的总统赶跑了，才造成的克里米亚事件， 克里米亚本来就是大毛的。
其实前面贴子解释过了， 跟你这废话没必要。
关颜色革命屁事啊，亚努科维奇自己卖国作死。
议会投票通过的贸易协定，你总统算老几？凭什么不签？
总统被民众赶下台，你大毛凭啥出兵？
大毛当年自己和欧洲生意做的飞起，就是摁二毛不给他做生意，凭什么？人家老百姓不配吃口好的？
#74 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
欧洲凭啥和大毛打？没有美国的情报支持，大毛早就big arrow offensive 了。英国陆军现在只有40辆可用的坦克，0辆步战车，12门大炮，其它的都已经给乌克兰了，整体就是一个营的规模，其它欧洲国家也好不到哪里去。都等着我帝给security guarantee.蘑菇头这次不傻，新仇旧恨一起算，先撤了。中国根本也控制不了俄国的战争进程，俄的军事和中国完全没有联系，中国怎么控制俄？长廊夜话 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 18:40 美援断了对乌克兰不是坏事。如果俄乌战争变成欧洲内部战争了，没有美国支持了，中国肯定不会再援助俄了，因为中国想跟欧洲合作，这是求之不得的好机会。另外中国肯定不希望俄瓜分乌变得壮大，俄就在中国旁边，加上亲美的话，会非常非常危险。
-
Zephyrca
- 论坛支柱
2024年度优秀版主
Zephyrca 的博客 - 帖子互动： 1257
- 帖子： 11378
- 注册时间： 2022年 8月 12日 22:10
保守派们欢迎来美国时政版：
#77 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
big arrow offensive是啥？什么叫俄的军事和中国没有联系？和美国有联系？是指打过，所以知己知彼吗？ZMZM 写了： 2025年 3月 1日 19:10 欧洲凭啥和大毛打？没有美国的情报支持，大毛早就big arrow offensive 了。英国陆军现在只有40辆可用的坦克，0辆步战车，12门大炮，其它的都已经给乌克兰了，整体就是一个营的规模，其它欧洲国家也好不到哪里去。都等着我帝给security guarantee.蘑菇头这次不傻，新仇旧恨一起算，先撤了。中国根本也控制不了俄国的战争进程，俄的军事和中国完全没有联系，中国怎么控制俄？
#79 Re: 见证历史， 真是开眼了
作战服倒不是随便穿的吧，大概是想提醒人们乌克兰处于战备状态？他上次是不是也是这一身？
我没看整个视频，只看了头尾，然后看了cnn的下面的讲解，貌似是vance挑起口角之争？
对他来说钱肯定越多越好啊，没道理不想要美国的钱吧？我看了fox电视台对他的采访，觉得他说得有道理啊。川普觉得只要有美国矿工在乌克兰领土上，俄罗斯就不敢打。他说乌东有20来个美国公司办公室，普京不是照样打吗，普京才不管你的领土上有谁。所以他想要条约里有更明确的安全保障，那样他才放心停火。
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/01/politics ... index.html
Inside the 139 minutes that upended the US-Ukraine alliance
Kevin Liptak Jeff Zeleny
Updated 9:27 AM EST, Sat March 1, 2025
...
The vice president speaks up
Joining the conversation after remaining mostly silent, Vance interjected — “Hold on. Hey, I want to respond to this” — to make the case for Trump’s efforts at bringing the conflict to an end.
“The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy,” he said, directing his comments to Zelensky.
That is where everything went south.
A bristling Zelensky – himself unaccustomed to public rebukes after three years of stalwart Western support – indignantly laid out the ceasefires Russia had broken in the past.
“What kind of diplomacy, JD, you are speaking about? What – what do you have – what do you – what do you mean?” he asked incredulously.
“I’m talking about the kind of diplomacy that’s going to end the destruction of your country,” Vance responded from his place on the sofa next to Trump.
It only devolved from there.
“I think it’s disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in front of the American media,” Vance said in a sharp reprimand. “You should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict.”
When Zelensky tried – somewhat unsuccessfully – to get a word in, Trump erupted in anger.
“You don’t have the cards right now,” he bellowed, talking right over Zelensky when he objected.
“You’re gambling with the lives of millions of people,” he shouted. “You’re gambling with World War III.”
A few minutes later, Trump dismissed the media from the room.
“This is going to be great television, I will say that,” he called out as reporters filed out.
A rattled Ukrainian delegation — including the Ukrainian ambassador to Washington Oksana Markarova, who stopped taking notes during the meeting and simply placed her head in her hands — left the Oval Office to regroup in the Roosevelt Room, just down the hall.
Huddling with his own key advisers to assess the situation, including Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, Trump was enraged, saying he felt disrespected by Zelensky’s tone.
“Zelensky played it as wrong as he could play it. He came into Oval acting like a tough guy. It didn’t play well. Everyone in the room felt insulted,” one US official said. “Now Zelensky will have to figure out how to fix this on his own. We can’t fix it for him.”
The president ultimately decided that Zelensky was “not in a place to negotiate,” one White House official said. He directed Rubio and national security adviser Mike Waltz to deliver the message to the Ukrainians who were waiting nearby: It was time for Zelensky to leave.
“Time is not on your side here,” Waltz told Fox News on Saturday, recounting his conversation with Zelensky. “Time is not on your side on the battlefield. Time is not on your side in terms of the world situation, and, most importantly, US aid and the taxpayers’ tolerance is not unlimited.”
The Ukrainians protested, saying they wanted to continue the talks, the White House official said. But the request was declined.
As the plates of salad, chicken and crème brûlée that had been planned for lunch sat uneaten on carts in a hallway outside the press secretary’s office, the Ukrainians were instructed to leave.
The surreal day of broken diplomacy unfolded in the span of less than three hours.
Zelensky’s motorcade left the White House gates at 1:42 p.m., with no fanfare or sendoff. He was driven a short distance away to the Hay Adams Hotel, where he and his advisers were staying.
Less than an hour later, he sent a message on social media expressing his gratitude to his hosts: “Thank you America, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit.” He added, “Ukraine needs just and lasting peace and we are working exactly for that.”