美法官裁定总统不能要求选民投票前出示公民证明

[koko]

其实公民核实在登记选民时（比如入籍或申请驾照时）就已完成，投票时只需出示身份证（通常是驾照）核对身份即可。投票前出示公民证明纯粹是脱裤子放屁，多此一举。川普就喜欢偷换概念，欺骗3d MAGA党

大多数蓝州不要求出示身份证明，也并不核对身份。上次有个中国留学生去投票了，事后在网上说漏嘴被抓了。所以如果要核对身份的话，他应该投不了票才对。

[Casper]

大多数蓝州不要求出示身份证明，也并不核对身份。上次有个中国留学生去投票了，事后在网上说漏嘴被抓了。所以如果要核对身份的话，他应该投不了票才对。

投的哪个党？

[Smartguy]

终将反噬，象多米诺投票机，现在落入共和党之手，主党急着跳出来要求取缔也没用。

[jumpingdonut]

但人家背后做了什么你不知道啊！
人家有没有去查那人是不是公民，你也不知道啊！

对zf官僚不要期望太高，古今中外一个鸟样，这么多人一个个查得累死

[赖美豪中]

一看您就是p爷不懂或者说只懂p，男客时代通过了dmv law，各州在完全不存在联邦公民数据库的情况下，被要求把所有来注册驾照的‘人’自动登记为选民。比如德州在dmv law情况下，被强迫把所有的非遗都注册成了选民。所以我老刚来德州f1第一年其实都能投票，然后每年可以网上换驾照。2010年real id law以后德州没办法，只能要求所有没有德州出生纸记录的驾照持有人更新驾照的时候都去dmv面试提交合法身份证件，包括了数百万从外州来的美国公民，怨声载道

其实公民核实在登记选民时（比如入籍或申请驾照时）就已完成，投票时只需出示身份证（通常是驾照）核对身份即可。投票前出示公民证明纯粹是脱裤子放屁，多此一举。川普就喜欢偷换概念，欺骗3d MAGA党

[neuron66]

一看您就是p爷不懂或者说只懂p，男客时代通过了dmv law，各州在完全不存在联邦公民数据库的情况下，被要求把所有来注册驾照的‘人’自动登记为选民。比如德州在dmv law情况下，被强迫把所有的非遗都注册成了选民。所以我老刚来德州f1第一年其实都能投票，然后每年可以网上换驾照。2010年real id law以后德州没办法，只能要求所有没有德州出生纸记录的驾照持有人更新驾照的时候都去dmv面试提交合法身份证件，包括了数百万从外州来的美国公民，怨声载道

本人在德州居住30年，人籍20年，入籍时即登记为选民，多次投票。德州初次申请驾照，即要求提供公民身份证明（出生证，入籍证或美国护照），并可同时完成选民登记，选民还可选择州政府网上登记（https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/）。一旦登记，选民详细资料（名字，所在选区等）入库并可在网上查询。选民登记卡（Voter Registration Card)也会邮寄至家。投票时，只出示身份证明（通常是驾照），在工作人员与系统里信息核对无误后，方能投票。选民登记有截至期，必须在选举投票前30天完成，如果没有登记，即使当场出示公民证明，也不允许投票。当然已经登记了，出示护照，出生证作为身份证明也完全可以的。所以说川普声称投票时出示公民证明纯粹是行为艺术，关键是各州做好预先选民登记，才能杜绝非公民投票

[牛河梁]

本人在德州居住30年，人籍20年，入籍时即登记为选民，多次投票。德州初次申请驾照，即要求提供公民身份证明（出生证，入籍证或美国护照），并可同时完成选民登记，选民还可选择州政府网上登记（https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/）。一旦登记，选民详细资料（名字，所在选区等）入库并可在网上查询。选民登记卡（Voter Registration Card)也会邮寄至家。投票时，只出示身份证明（通常是驾照），在工作人员与系统里信息核对无误后，方能投票。选民登记有截至期，必须在选举投票前30天完成，如果没有登记，即使当场出示公民证明，也不允许投票。当然已经登记了，出示护照，出生证作为身份证明也完全可以的。所以说川普声称投票时出示公民证明纯粹是行为艺术，关键是各州做好预先选民登记，才能杜绝非公民投票

票站应该有选民登记表。不过老牛不记得票站如何（核实你是否那个名字的人）投票了。老牛有记忆以来都是邮寄选票。

[朔方节度使]

他的意思可能是说，这不是总统的事，你不用管

[赖美豪中]

又在xjb胡编了，德州2010年前dmv从不要求出示任何公民证明，你要有一点常识就知道，德州2010年不得不彻底作废了所有的驾照在线更新，ban了所有人的online renewing

本人在德州居住30年，人籍20年，入籍时即登记为选民，多次投票。德州初次申请驾照，即要求提供公民身份证明（出生证，入籍证或美国护照），并可同时完成选民登记，选民还可选择州政府网上登记（https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/）。一旦登记，选民详细资料（名字，所在选区等）入库并可在网上查询。选民登记卡（Voter Registration Card)也会邮寄至家。投票时，只出示身份证明（通常是驾照），在工作人员与系统里信息核对无误后，方能投票。选民登记有截至期，必须在选举投票前30天完成，如果没有登记，即使当场出示公民证明，也不允许投票。当然已经登记了，出示护照，出生证作为身份证明也完全可以的。所以说川普声称投票时出示公民证明纯粹是行为艺术，关键是各州做好预先选民登记，才能杜绝非公民投票

[赖美豪中]

请不要做一个不要脸的liar，来看看timeline
Short version: around 2008–2012 Texas tightened ID rules and changed the card design. DPS began verifying U.S. citizenship or lawful presence for every original/renewal and started printing “Limited Term” on licenses for people whose lawful presence is temporary. To do that, DPS needed many people to show up in person so staff could (1) see and scan immigration/citizenship documents, (2) capture a fresh photo/signature/fingerprints, and (3) issue the correct card type with the new “Limited Term” marking and updated security features. That’s why a lot of Texans were told to renew in person around 2010.
Texas Department of Public Safety
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Texas Tribune
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Texas Department of Public Safety
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A few concrete milestones:

Oct 1, 2008: DPS adopts a rule requiring proof of legal status for original/renewal/duplicate licenses; “Temporary Visitor” wording appears on some cards.
Ogletree
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2011: Legislature codifies the DPS rule; DPS aligns processes statewide and transitions language to “Limited Term.” Many customers without prior proof-on-file (or needing updated biometrics) had to renew in person.
Texas Tribune
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Chron
+2

Ongoing policy: “Limited Term” licenses are issued to temporary visitors and expire with the DHS-verified period of lawful presence, which requires in-office verification if DPS can’t confirm it electronically.
Texas Department of Public Safety
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So the “forced” in-person renewals weren’t about singling people out; they were the practical way for DPS to apply the new lawful-presence checks and print the new Limited Term mark when applicable.
Texas Tribune

本人在德州居住30年，人籍20年，入籍时即登记为选民，多次投票。德州初次申请驾照，即要求提供公民身份证明（出生证，入籍证或美国护照），并可同时完成选民登记，选民还可选择州政府网上登记（https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/）。一旦登记，选民详细资料（名字，所在选区等）入库并可在网上查询。选民登记卡（Voter Registration Card)也会邮寄至家。投票时，只出示身份证明（通常是驾照），在工作人员与系统里信息核对无误后，方能投票。选民登记有截至期，必须在选举投票前30天完成，如果没有登记，即使当场出示公民证明，也不允许投票。当然已经登记了，出示护照，出生证作为身份证明也完全可以的。所以说川普声称投票时出示公民证明纯粹是行为艺术，关键是各州做好预先选民登记，才能杜绝非公民投票

[neuron66]

又在xjb胡编了，德州2010年前dmv从不要求出示任何公民证明，你要有一点常识就知道，德州2010年不得不彻底作废了所有的驾照在线更新，ban了所有人的online renewing

德州新选民登记有多个途径，比如邮寄，在线或线下（https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-v ... ation.html）。另外，在入籍时可以选择完成选民登记；任何满17岁10个月以上公民申请驾照时，可以在DL-14L表中第2项选择注册选民登记（“If you are a U.S. citizen, would you like to register to vote? If registered, would you like to update your voter information?”）。所以驾照只是众多选民登记的一种途径，而且只有自愿选择注册的公民，才能完成选民登记，同时DPS会核对并扫描你公民证明的原件。非公民也可申请驾照，但是不能选择此项登记为选民。所以有驾照的人，并不代表有投票权，或者完成选民登记，只有经过上述程序登记的公民才可有投票资格。在投票时，驾照只不过是已登记选民作为最常用的身份证明。另外本人2019年online renew 了我的驾照

[赖美豪中]

谁在跟你讨论新登记？2010年前德州有至少5-6M non-citizens被注册成了选民，直到现在还在voter roll上，你如何解决这个问题？你有方案么？你满地打滚说2019年以后，2019年以后只有新发驾照的那批人而已，前面这些人怎么办，600万假票随便投？

德州新选民登记有多个途径，比如邮寄，在线或线下（https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-v ... ation.html）。另外，在入籍时可以选择完成选民登记；任何满17岁10个月以上公民申请驾照时，可以在DL-14L表中第2项选择注册选民登记（“If you are a U.S. citizen, would you like to register to vote? If registered, would you like to update your voter information?”）。所以驾照只是众多选民登记的一种途径，而且只有自愿选择注册的公民，才能完成选民登记，同时DPS会核对并扫描你公民证明的原件。非公民也可申请驾照，但是不能选择此项登记为选民。所以有驾照的人，并不代表有投票权，或者完成选民登记，只有经过上述程序登记的公民才可有投票资格。在投票时，驾照只不过是已登记选民作为最常用的身份证明。另外本人2019年online renew 了我的驾照

[赖美豪中]

https://www.votebeat.org/texas/2025/10/ ... -database/

马上给你找到新闻佐证一下
Registrations submitted through Texas DPS are flagged
Election officials said that at least 193 of the flagged voters — across seven counties that together had a total of 565 — submitted their registration applications through the Texas Department of Public Safety. The agency requires proof of citizenship from anyone who wants to register to vote there, so some election officials said they are wondering how any noncitizens could have successfully registered through DPS.

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Pierce referred questions to DPS, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday. During a legislative hearing in March, a DPS official told lawmakers that in order to register to vote at the agency, applicants must be a U.S. citizen and be at least 17 years, 10 months old.

“These requirements are actually programmed into our system, and they can’t be bypassed by an employee,” the DPS official said. “So if you don’t meet those requirements, you don’t get presented with the voter registration question.”

In a declaration filed Wednesday as part of a federal lawsuit challenging the overhaul of SAVE, Chris Davis, the voter registration director for Travis County, said that a quarter of the 97 people flagged there had registered at DPS.

County officials are required by law to mail notices to the flagged registrants seeking their citizenship documentation, and some have already sent the notices. If there’s no response after 30 days, the person’s registration is canceled. Pierce said counties have been advised to treat the voters flagged by SAVE as they would “any other data set.”

If county officials receive the documentation, they must send a copy to the state to be shared with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Secretary of State’s Office told counties, according to a document filed in federal court as part of the lawsuit.

The election officials in Denton, Bexar, and Brazoria counties said the six voters whose citizenship they confirmed had responded to notices by showing a U.S. passport or naturalization documents.

Davis said Travis County is investigating each person flagged and has yet to mail out notices. In his court declaration, he said he’s concerned that the list his county received “is flawed” and that voters could be improperly dropped from the voter rolls.

Frank Phillips, the Denton County elections administrator, told Votebeat that one of the four flagged voters he checked on had become a U.S. citizen a month ago, but three others were naturalized between 2020 and 2023.

He added that he fears the mailed notices won’t be delivered or that voters won’t respond to them. “If they are citizens, their registration is going to get canceled, but it shouldn’t be,” he said.

Some added to the voter rolls in error by county officials
Texas has a paper-based voter registration system, which requires that election officials manually enter the information from each application they receive by mail or in person. Data entry errors are common.

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In at least seven counties — including Bexar, Dallas, Collin, and Denton — election officials said people who submitted an application had accurately noted on the form that they were not U.S. citizens, but were nonetheless added to the voter roll in error by county officials. Those registrations have been canceled, and none of the 94 people involved had cast ballots, county officials said.

Aside from the people who attested that they weren’t citizens, officials in Bexar and Denton counties have confirmed that so far, they found one person in each county who was not a U.S. citizen and canceled their registrations. Those two people had never voted, the officials said.

Changes make SAVE free and easier for states to use
States have used SAVE for years to help determine whether people are eligible for benefits. However, access to the data for states was costly and required using a person’s immigrant ID number, which election officials don’t often have access to.

Earlier this year, the Trump administration revamped SAVE so that states could use it more easily to check their voter rolls for noncitizens using Social Security numbers, and could submit requests in batches instead of one at a time. States don’t have to pay to use it anymore.

But some experts have questioned the accuracy and reliability of the data, pointing to how quickly the changes to SAVE were made. They’ve also raised concerns about how the federal government is using the data uploaded by states, and whether using the tool puts people’s privacy or voting rights at risk. In addition, multiple audits and analyses have shown that the Social Security Administration’s citizenship information, one of the sources that SAVE calls on, is often outdated or incomplete, especially for people who became naturalized citizens.

Texas obtained access to SAVE in March, and said in May that, through SAVE, it had identified 33 potential noncitizens who had voted in the November 2024 election and referred them to the Texas Attorney General’s Office for investigation.

Last week, on the first day of early voting for the constitutional amendment election, Secretary of State Jane Nelson announced her office had run the state’s entire voter roll through it, or more than 18 million registered voters.

In the announcement, Nelson directed counties to conduct “rigorous investigations to determine if any voter is ineligible.” She said SAVE “has proven to be a critically important data set and one of many that we will continue to use in Texas to ensure that only qualified voters cast a ballot in our elections.”

Days later, Nelson touted a letter from President Donald Trump recognizing her as one of the first secretaries of state to “step up and protect the integrity of our elections by using the federal SAVE database.”

On Monday, Texas filed a motion seeking to intervene in the lawsuit challenging the use of SAVE, saying it needs continued access to comply with state and federal requirements for maintaining its voter list.

谁在跟你讨论新登记？2010年前德州有至少5-6M non-citizens被注册成了选民，直到现在还在voter roll上，你如何解决这个问题？你有方案么？你满地打滚说2019年以后，2019年以后只有新发驾照的那批人而已，前面这些人怎么办，600万假票随便投？

[赖美豪中]

In at least seven counties — including Bexar, Dallas, Collin, and Denton — election officials said people who submitted an application had accurately noted on the form that they were not U.S. citizens, but were nonetheless added to the voter roll in error by county officials. Those registrations have been canceled, and none of the 94 people involved had cast ballots, county officials said.

你自己不选，按照克林顿的sb法律都给你强行注册

https://www.votebeat.org/texas/2025/10/ ... -database/

马上给你找到新闻佐证一下
Registrations submitted through Texas DPS are flagged
Election officials said that at least 193 of the flagged voters — across seven counties that together had a total of 565 — submitted their registration applications through the Texas Department of Public Safety. The agency requires proof of citizenship from anyone who wants to register to vote there, so some election officials said they are wondering how any noncitizens could have successfully registered through DPS.

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Pierce referred questions to DPS, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday. During a legislative hearing in March, a DPS official told lawmakers that in order to register to vote at the agency, applicants must be a U.S. citizen and be at least 17 years, 10 months old.

“These requirements are actually programmed into our system, and they can’t be bypassed by an employee,” the DPS official said. “So if you don’t meet those requirements, you don’t get presented with the voter registration question.”

In a declaration filed Wednesday as part of a federal lawsuit challenging the overhaul of SAVE, Chris Davis, the voter registration director for Travis County, said that a quarter of the 97 people flagged there had registered at DPS.

County officials are required by law to mail notices to the flagged registrants seeking their citizenship documentation, and some have already sent the notices. If there’s no response after 30 days, the person’s registration is canceled. Pierce said counties have been advised to treat the voters flagged by SAVE as they would “any other data set.”

If county officials receive the documentation, they must send a copy to the state to be shared with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Secretary of State’s Office told counties, according to a document filed in federal court as part of the lawsuit.

The election officials in Denton, Bexar, and Brazoria counties said the six voters whose citizenship they confirmed had responded to notices by showing a U.S. passport or naturalization documents.

Davis said Travis County is investigating each person flagged and has yet to mail out notices. In his court declaration, he said he’s concerned that the list his county received “is flawed” and that voters could be improperly dropped from the voter rolls.

Frank Phillips, the Denton County elections administrator, told Votebeat that one of the four flagged voters he checked on had become a U.S. citizen a month ago, but three others were naturalized between 2020 and 2023.

He added that he fears the mailed notices won’t be delivered or that voters won’t respond to them. “If they are citizens, their registration is going to get canceled, but it shouldn’t be,” he said.

Some added to the voter rolls in error by county officials
Texas has a paper-based voter registration system, which requires that election officials manually enter the information from each application they receive by mail or in person. Data entry errors are common.

Become a Votebeat sponsor

In at least seven counties — including Bexar, Dallas, Collin, and Denton — election officials said people who submitted an application had accurately noted on the form that they were not U.S. citizens, but were nonetheless added to the voter roll in error by county officials. Those registrations have been canceled, and none of the 94 people involved had cast ballots, county officials said.

Aside from the people who attested that they weren’t citizens, officials in Bexar and Denton counties have confirmed that so far, they found one person in each county who was not a U.S. citizen and canceled their registrations. Those two people had never voted, the officials said.

Changes make SAVE free and easier for states to use
States have used SAVE for years to help determine whether people are eligible for benefits. However, access to the data for states was costly and required using a person’s immigrant ID number, which election officials don’t often have access to.

Earlier this year, the Trump administration revamped SAVE so that states could use it more easily to check their voter rolls for noncitizens using Social Security numbers, and could submit requests in batches instead of one at a time. States don’t have to pay to use it anymore.

But some experts have questioned the accuracy and reliability of the data, pointing to how quickly the changes to SAVE were made. They’ve also raised concerns about how the federal government is using the data uploaded by states, and whether using the tool puts people’s privacy or voting rights at risk. In addition, multiple audits and analyses have shown that the Social Security Administration’s citizenship information, one of the sources that SAVE calls on, is often outdated or incomplete, especially for people who became naturalized citizens.

Texas obtained access to SAVE in March, and said in May that, through SAVE, it had identified 33 potential noncitizens who had voted in the November 2024 election and referred them to the Texas Attorney General’s Office for investigation.

Last week, on the first day of early voting for the constitutional amendment election, Secretary of State Jane Nelson announced her office had run the state’s entire voter roll through it, or more than 18 million registered voters.

In the announcement, Nelson directed counties to conduct “rigorous investigations to determine if any voter is ineligible.” She said SAVE “has proven to be a critically important data set and one of many that we will continue to use in Texas to ensure that only qualified voters cast a ballot in our elections.”

Days later, Nelson touted a letter from President Donald Trump recognizing her as one of the first secretaries of state to “step up and protect the integrity of our elections by using the federal SAVE database.”

On Monday, Texas filed a motion seeking to intervene in the lawsuit challenging the use of SAVE, saying it needs continued access to comply with state and federal requirements for maintaining its voter list.

[jhe123]

既然都能查到，你要投票人出示什么公民证明呢？

既然能查到，你要司机随身带什么驾照呢？

[neuron66]

谁在跟你讨论新登记？2010年前德州有至少5-6M non-citizens被注册成了选民，直到现在还在voter roll上，你如何解决这个问题？你有方案么？你满地打滚说2019年以后，2019年以后只有新发驾照的那批人而已，前面这些人怎么办，600万假票随便投？

德州正在采取措施补救，在renew驾照时，凡是系统里没有公民证明又登记选民的人，不能Online Renew, 必须到现场提供公民证明原件，否则驾照无法延期，没有驾照，就无法生活。这样可以逐渐清除以前那些非公民选民

[牛河梁]

德州正在采取措施补救，在renew驾照时，凡是系统里没有公民证明又登记选民的人，不能Online Renew, 必须到现场提供公民证明原件，否则驾照无法延期，没有驾照，就无法生活。这样可以逐渐清除以前那些非公民选民

德州就是闲的。等主党得票接近45%再搞不迟。

[Casper]

既然能查到，你要司机随身带什么驾照呢？

你随身带护照吗？

[bud]

其实公民核实在登记选民时（比如入籍或申请驾照时）就已完成，投票时只需出示身份证（通常是驾照）核对身份即可。投票前出示公民证明纯粹是脱裤子放屁，多此一举。川普就喜欢偷换概念，欺骗3d MAGA党

这是错误的。 我当年第一次注册选民的时候， 带着刚拿到的美国护照。本镇工作人员直接告诉我他们无权检查我是否是美国公民。看都没看我的护照。我在深蓝州。

[ignius]

瞎几把扯蛋。邮寄选票作弊不要太容易，尤其是加州。
作弊非傻即坏

其实公民核实在登记选民时（比如入籍或申请驾照时）就已完成，投票时只需出示身份证（通常是驾照）核对身份即可。投票前出示公民证明纯粹是脱裤子放屁，多此一举。川普就喜欢偷换概念，欺骗3d MAGA党