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BLACK HOLES 先于星系存在?

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WHICH CAME FIRST: BLACK HOLES OR GALAXIES?

The work is newly published in the Astrophysical Journal Letters.
Distant galaxies from the very early universe, observed through the Webb telescope, appear much brighter than scientists predicted and reveal unusually high numbers of young stars and supermassive black holes, Silk said.
Conventional wisdom holds that black holes formed after the collapse of supermassive stars and that galaxies formed after the first stars lit up the dark early universe. But the analysis by Silk's team suggests that black holes and galaxies coexisted and influenced each other's fate during the first 100 million years. If the entire history of the universe were a 12-month calendar, those years would be like the first days of January, Silk said.
"We're arguing that black hole outflows crushed gas clouds, turning them into stars and greatly accelerating the rate of star formation," Silk said. "Otherwise, it's very hard to understand where these bright galaxies came from because they're typically smaller in the early universe. Why on earth should they be making stars so rapidly?"
Black holes are regions in space where gravity is so strong that nothing can escape their pull, not even light. Because of this force, they generate powerful magnetic fields that make violent storms, ejecting turbulent plasma and ultimately acting like enormous particle accelerators, Silk said. This process, he said, is likely why Webb's detectors have spotted more of these black holes and bright galaxies than scientists anticipated.
"We can't quite see these violent winds or jets far, far away, but we know they must be present because we see many black holes early on in the universe," Silk explained. "These enormous winds coming from the black holes crush nearby gas clouds and turn them into stars. That's the missing link that explains why these first galaxies are so much brighter than we expected."
Silk's team predicts the young universe had two phases. During the first phase, high-speed outflows from black holes accelerated star formation, and then, in a second phase, the outflows slowed down. A few hundred million years after the big bang, gas clouds collapsed because of supermassive black hole magnetic storms, and new stars were born at a rate far exceeding that observed billions of years later in normal galaxies, Silk said. The creation of stars slowed down because these powerful outflows transitioned into a state of energy conservation, he said, reducing the gas available to form stars in galaxies.
"We thought that in the beginning, galaxies formed when a giant gas cloud collapsed," Silk explained. "The big surprise is that there was a seed in the middle of that cloud—a big black hole—and that helped rapidly turn the inner part of that cloud into stars at a rate much greater than we ever expected. And so the first galaxies are incredibly bright."
The team expects future Webb telescope observations, with more precise counts of stars and supermassive black holes in the early universe, will help confirm their calculations. Silk expects these observations will also help scientists piece together more clues about the evolution of the universe.
"The big question is, what were our beginnings? The sun is one star in 100 billion in the Milky Way galaxy, and there's a massive black hole sitting in the middle, too. What's the connection between the two?" he said. "Within a year we'll have so much better data, and a lot of our questions will begin to get answers."

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  1. YouHi
    YouHi

    要看Matrix启动先load哪段程序吧?
  2. Caravel
    Caravel

    VladPutin 写了: 2024年 11月 16日 14:37 我觉得这个理论非常tricky,UV辐射不能太多也不能太少,不然得不到想要的恒星形成速率。这意味着黑洞不能太大也不能太小,不能太多也不能太少。 这是怎么做到的没说。
    大爆炸之初的物理现在还没有完全掌握

    说不定当初就把时空弄出了很多奇点

    这就是星系中心的起源
  3. VladPutin
    VladPutin

    Caravel 写了: 2024年 11月 16日 14:15 我觉得有道理,传统理论气体收缩成恒星,再形成黑洞,再变成星系核那么大要多少时间?根本不够
    我觉得这个理论非常tricky,UV辐射不能太多也不能太少,不然得不到想要的恒星形成速率。这意味着黑洞不能太大也不能太小,不能太多也不能太少。 这是怎么做到的没说。
  4. Caravel
    Caravel

    VladPutin 写了: 2024年 11月 16日 13:58 这些人一直主张大爆炸之后物质非线性坍缩先形成黑洞,理由是10000太阳质量的黑洞的紫外和X-射线辐射可以帮助打破引力和气体压力平衡,通过红外辐射方式冷却气体加速恒星形成。JWST观测到高红移星系的数量似乎支持这个想法。
    我觉得有道理,传统理论气体收缩成恒星,再形成黑洞,再变成星系核那么大要多少时间?根本不够
  5. VladPutin
    VladPutin

    这些人一直主张大爆炸之后物质非线性坍缩先形成黑洞,理由是10000太阳质量的黑洞的紫外和X-射线辐射可以帮助打破引力和气体压力平衡,通过红外辐射方式冷却气体加速恒星形成。JWST观测到高红移星系的数量似乎支持这个想法。
  6. Caravel
    Caravel

    TheMatrix 写了: 2024年 11月 16日 12:48 不是说宇宙起始于大爆炸吗?那black hole先于星系存在不是应该的吗?
    是星系中心的那种,一般以为是恒星慢慢掉进去形成的
  7. TheMatrix
    TheMatrix

    Caravel 写了: 2024年 11月 16日 12:15 WHICH CAME FIRST: BLACK HOLES OR GALAXIES?

    The work is newly published in the Astrophysical Journal Letters.
    Distant galaxies from the very early universe, observed through the Webb telescope, appear much brighter than scientists predicted and reveal unusually high numbers of young stars and supermassive black holes, Silk said.
    Conventional wisdom holds that black holes formed after the collapse of supermassive stars and that galaxies formed after the first stars lit up the dark early universe. But the analysis by Silk's team suggests that black holes and galaxies coexisted and influenced each other's fate during the first 100 million years. If the entire history of the universe were a 12-month calendar, those years would be like the first days of January, Silk said.
    "We're arguing that black hole outflows crushed gas clouds, turning them into stars and greatly accelerating the rate of star formation," Silk said. "Otherwise, it's very hard to understand where these bright galaxies came from because they're typically smaller in the early universe. Why on earth should they be making stars so rapidly?"
    Black holes are regions in space where gravity is so strong that nothing can escape their pull, not even light. Because of this force, they generate powerful magnetic fields that make violent storms, ejecting turbulent plasma and ultimately acting like enormous particle accelerators, Silk said. This process, he said, is likely why Webb's detectors have spotted more of these black holes and bright galaxies than scientists anticipated.
    "We can't quite see these violent winds or jets far, far away, but we know they must be present because we see many black holes early on in the universe," Silk explained. "These enormous winds coming from the black holes crush nearby gas clouds and turn them into stars. That's the missing link that explains why these first galaxies are so much brighter than we expected."
    Silk's team predicts the young universe had two phases. During the first phase, high-speed outflows from black holes accelerated star formation, and then, in a second phase, the outflows slowed down. A few hundred million years after the big bang, gas clouds collapsed because of supermassive black hole magnetic storms, and new stars were born at a rate far exceeding that observed billions of years later in normal galaxies, Silk said. The creation of stars slowed down because these powerful outflows transitioned into a state of energy conservation, he said, reducing the gas available to form stars in galaxies.
    "We thought that in the beginning, galaxies formed when a giant gas cloud collapsed," Silk explained. "The big surprise is that there was a seed in the middle of that cloud—a big black hole—and that helped rapidly turn the inner part of that cloud into stars at a rate much greater than we ever expected. And so the first galaxies are incredibly bright."
    The team expects future Webb telescope observations, with more precise counts of stars and supermassive black holes in the early universe, will help confirm their calculations. Silk expects these observations will also help scientists piece together more clues about the evolution of the universe.
    "The big question is, what were our beginnings? The sun is one star in 100 billion in the Milky Way galaxy, and there's a massive black hole sitting in the middle, too. What's the connection between the two?" he said. "Within a year we'll have so much better data, and a lot of our questions will begin to get answers."
    不是说宇宙起始于大爆炸吗?那black hole先于星系存在不是应该的吗?

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