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哈佛耶鲁不买高法的帐啊

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早上看到高法否决哈佛和北卡大学的平权法案招生政策;不到中午,连续看到哈佛和耶鲁校长的公开信,都是表示大学的核心价值是多元化和包容,这一点绝不会变;耶鲁校长加了一句保证守法,招生办和各个学院将审核招生政策,法学院也会提供专家建议。

你们觉得以后的招生会有变化吗?如果不变,官司是不是会没完没了地打下去……

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https://www.harvard.edu/admissionscase/ ... -decision/

Supreme Court Decision

Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

Today, the Supreme Court delivered its decision in Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard College. The Court held that Harvard College’s admissions system does not comply with the principles of the equal protection clause embodied in Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. The Court also ruled that colleges and universities may consider in admissions decisions “an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.” We will certainly comply with the Court’s decision.

We write today to reaffirm the fundamental principle that deep and transformative teaching, learning, and research depend upon a community comprising people of many backgrounds, perspectives, and lived experiences. That principle is as true and important today as it was yesterday. So too are the abiding values that have enabled us—and every great educational institution—to pursue the high calling of educating creative thinkers and bold leaders, of deepening human knowledge, and of promoting progress, justice, and human flourishing.

We affirm that:

Because the teaching, learning, research, and creativity that bring progress and change require debate and disagreement, diversity and difference are essential to academic excellence.
To prepare leaders for a complex world, Harvard must admit and educate a student body whose members reflect, and have lived, multiple facets of human experience. No part of what makes us who we are could ever be irrelevant.
Harvard must always be a place of opportunity, a place whose doors remain open to those to whom they had long been closed, a place where many will have the chance to live dreams their parents or grandparents could not have dreamed.

For almost a decade, Harvard has vigorously defended an admissions system that, as two federal courts ruled, fully complied with longstanding precedent. In the weeks and months ahead, drawing on the talent and expertise of our Harvard community, we will determine how to preserve, consistent with the Court’s new precedent, our essential values.

The heart of our extraordinary institution is its people. Harvard will continue to be a vibrant community whose members come from all walks of life, all over the world. To our students, faculty, staff, researchers, and alumni—past, present, and future—who call Harvard your home, please know that you are, and always will be, Harvard. Your remarkable contributions to our community and the world drive Harvard’s distinction. Nothing today has changed that.

Sincerely,

Lawrence S. Bacow
President, Harvard University

Alan M. Garber
Provost, Harvard University

Meredith Weenick
Executive Vice President, Harvard University

Claudine Gay
Dean, Faculty of Arts and Sciences
President-elect, Harvard University

Tomiko Brown-Nagin
Dean, Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study

Nancy Coleman
Dean, Division of Continuing Education and University Extension

George Q. Daley
Dean, Harvard Medical School

Srikant Datar
Dean, Harvard Business School

Emma Dench
Dean, Harvard Kenneth C. Griffin Graduate School of Arts and Sciences

Francis J. Doyle III
Dean, Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences

Douglas Elmendorf
Dean, Harvard Kennedy School of Government

William V. Giannobile
Dean, Harvard School of Dental Medicine

David N. Hempton
Dean, Harvard Divinity School

Rakesh Khurana
Dean, Harvard College

Bridget Terry Long
Dean, Harvard Graduate School of Education

John F. Manning
Dean, Harvard Law School

Sarah M. Whiting
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Michelle A. Williams
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耶鲁校长的公开信:
https://president.yale.edu/supreme-cour ... -education

Dear Members of the Yale Community,

This morning, the Supreme Court issued decisions in two cases that examine the consideration of race in admissions. It will take some time to fully consider the implications of the Court’s decisions and review our admissions policies in light of them. As we do this work, I write today to reaffirm Yale’s unwavering commitment to creating and sustaining a diverse and inclusive community. This principle is core to our mission of teaching aspiring leaders to serve all sectors of society and improving the world through research and scholarship, education, preservation, and practice. We will continue to foster diversity in its many dimensions and will use all lawful means to achieve it.

As I consider today’s rulings, I am deeply troubled, but I also have hope when I reflect on the words of the Reverend Pauli Murray, eminent Yale graduate, civil rights icon, and namesake of one of our residential colleges. In 1979, the Reverend Murray remarked that “true community is based upon equality, mutuality, and reciprocity. It affirms the richness of individual diversity as well as the common human ties that bind us together.” These principles have guided Yale in the long journey to bring the promise of higher education to more students, including veterans through the GI Bill, women with the advent of coeducation, and those from underrepresented groups by increasing racial and socioeconomic diversity. Yale is committed to continue this journey and build on the progress we have achieved together.

As we argued in the amicus (friend-of-the-court) brief that Yale filed in the Harvard and University of North Carolina cases together with several other universities last year, diversity vitally enhances higher education. A student body that is diverse across every dimension, including race, improves academic outcomes for all students, enhances the range of scholarship and teaching on campus, improves critical thinking, and advances the understanding and study of complex topics. Generations of Yale students, alumni, faculty, and staff can attest that Yale’s diverse educational environment has positively contributed to their creativity, adaptability, and leadership.

A whole-person admission review process that takes into account every aspect of an applicant’s background and experiences has enabled colleges and universities to admit the classes they need to realize their missions. Restricting this ability limits universities in opening their doors to students with the widest possible range of experiences. This is a detriment to everyone who benefits from the diversity of our campuses.

Beyond Yale, and as evidenced by the broad range of voices that joined Yale in submitting amicus briefs in the case, as a nation and global society, we are strengthened by a higher education system that admits and graduates into the workforce diverse and excellent cohorts of students. To the extent today’s decisions impede progress in this regard, I believe they have done the nation a disservice.

Despite my strong disagreement with the Court’s decisions, I am committed to the rule of law. In the coming months, deans of admissions and other university leaders will review Yale’s admissions policies to ensure that Yale College, the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, and every professional school comply with the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court. Going forward, schools will communicate as needed to their prospective and current students, as well as faculty, staff, and alumni. In September, Yale Law School will host a panel discussion for members of the Yale community. Panelists will share their expert perspectives and legal analysis on the Court’s ruling.

In 1964, during another challenging time in this nation’s history, Yale’s seventeenth president, Kingman Brewster Jr., stated, “our educational as well as moral obligation is to reaffirm the ideals we believe in.” I agree strongly with that sentiment. The Court’s decisions may signal a new legal interpretation, but Yale’s core values will not change. Today, I emphatically reaffirm that Yale is fully committed to creating an inclusive, diverse, and excellent educational environment; to welcoming students of all racial and ethnic backgrounds; and to ensuring that our university is home to a diverse range of ideas, expertise, and experiences.

Sincerely,

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放心好了。高院的裁决是拨乱反正的开端。

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为哈佛耶鲁点赞。晚上再过来细读公开信。

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哈哈,以後不看種族,只看名字。看見中國人姓的直接垃圾桶

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eecs_guy 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:30 为哈佛耶鲁点赞。晚上再过来细读公开信。
又查了北卡的回复,毕竟是公立大学,口气软多了:

https://news.ncsu.edu/2023/06/response- ... -decision/

Response to Supreme Court Decision
June 29, 2023 1-min. read

The following is a statement from NC State University:

The U.S. Supreme Court today made a landmark ruling regarding affirmative action in higher education. The Court’s decision is complex, and NC State, along with the UNC System, is currently reviewing the ruling and its potential impacts. NC State will of course follow the law.

NC State has every intention of continuing our critical public land-grant university tradition of admitting and serving talented and ambitious students from across North Carolina and beyond. We remain committed to providing the opportunity of a transformative NC State education to future leaders from all backgrounds, experiences and interests.
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iMaJia 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:33 哈哈,以後不看種族,只看名字。看見中國人姓的直接垃圾桶
这就尴尬了。

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definitely better than before

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看了一下两封声明,没什么特别的吧。

本身就是利益,立场,想法不同的人,问号姐也不能指望她们说哎呀太好了终于等到这一天了终于翻身了,是吧。。

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第一印象差的某些男id,现在看来印象依然很差。 :lol:

黑色的好吃,我每天都要吃。🤤🤤🤤

听说我是自认为台湾人的日本人,自学中文成才 :lol:

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kanting 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:19 放心好了。高院的裁决是拨乱反正的开端。
所以哈耶校长就是嘴硬?我感觉大学招生没有硬指标,政策可以有各种诠释,灵活掌握,存乎一心;外人恐怕很难抓把柄。
不过高法的裁决很有意识形态之争的味道。还真难说是不是会影响招生,甚至大学核心理念。
或许大学能出台一些更具体的政策,比如不看种族,看家庭收入和教育等等,既避免种族争议,又符合大学多元化理念,两全……
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iMaJia 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:33 哈哈,以後不看種族,只看名字。看見中國人姓的直接垃圾桶
印象里亚裔只有香港的Lee姓能以假乱真,还有菲律宾人的西班牙姓氏。别的亚裔名字都能一眼看出来。

第一印象差的某些男id,现在看来印象依然很差。 :lol:

黑色的好吃,我每天都要吃。🤤🤤🤤

听说我是自认为台湾人的日本人,自学中文成才 :lol:

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iMaJia 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:33 哈哈,以後不看種族,只看名字。看見中國人姓的直接垃圾桶
呵呵那不会。哈佛今年招的亚裔学生比例是上升的,不知道有没有官司的影响:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... -rcna77923
Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admissions drop

……In a breakdown of the incoming class released by the university last week, Harvard revealed that 29.9% of admitted applicants are Asian American. It’s a 2.1% jump from last year’s number.

“It’s been part of a long-term trend,” admissions Dean William R. Fitzsimmons told The Harvard Crimson. “The percentages have been going up steadily. It’s not a surprise.”

There are a couple of possible reasons for this, said Julie Park, an associate professor at the University of Maryland who studies racial equity in high education. One could be an increase in Asian American legacy admits, which favors children of Harvard alumni in the admissions process. It also coincides with a population growth of Asian American young adults and high school graduates in the U.S. generally.

“Race-conscious admissions can be very dynamic and institution-specific,” she told NBC News. “Under race-conscious admissions, Harvard has a very sizable Asian American class. … It’s just a natural byproduct that you’re just going to numerically have at Harvard, unless they step away from legacy admissions, which I actually think they should.”
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不买账以后再被告后果会严重多了。

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sugarbabylove 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:50 看了一下两封声明,没什么特别的吧。

本身就是利益,立场,想法不同的人,问号姐也不能指望她们说哎呀太好了终于等到这一天了终于翻身了,是吧。。
嗯,校长们从官司一开始到现在的公开回复一直是强硬的,多元多样化这一点始终没有改过口。撇开利益,大学或任何机构敢和政府唱对台戏还真是多元。没有一个中国校长敢对政府说半个不字。
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sugarbabylove 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:51 印象里亚裔只有香港的Lee姓能以假乱真,还有菲律宾人的西班牙姓氏。别的亚裔名字都能一眼看出来。
菲律宾人有什么西班牙姓氏?这还不知道。
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Best 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 13:59 不买账以后再被告后果会严重多了。
是。所以学校都有强大的法律团队。
看学校以后的招生政策会不会有公开的变化。
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wh. 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 14:28 菲律宾人有什么西班牙姓氏?这还不知道。

菲律宾被板鸭殖民几百年。美西战争后成为米国殖民地。

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Savage 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 14:35 菲律宾被板鸭殖民几百年。美西战争后成为米国殖民地。
哦。想起以前给两位菲律宾帅哥做翻译,结果咕噜咕噜聊了很多音乐。其中一位会弹吉他,哈哈,还说了很多笛子。好像菲律宾的笛子很特别,让我想起傣族的葫芦丝,都有热带风光。菲律宾大哥温和开朗,单纯爱笑。可惜最后没去成菲律宾。希望以后有机会去玩 :D
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左婢就这德行无理取闹纠缠不休没有decency习惯就好

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wh. 写了: 2023年 6月 29日 15:12 哦。想起以前给两位菲律宾帅哥做翻译,结果咕噜咕噜聊了很多音乐。其中一位会弹吉他,哈哈,还说了很多笛子。好像菲律宾的笛子很特别,让我想起傣族的葫芦丝,都有热带风光。菲律宾大哥温和开朗,单纯爱笑。可惜最后没去成菲律宾。希望以后有机会去玩 :D
菲律宾男人情商都不错。
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