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#122 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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toledo 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 13:27 请问你做什么财富自由的?能简单说说吗?
基金操盘美债,美股/ETF。工作发的奖金起家

后来梭哈了很多半导体/tech期权,一些比特币/数字货币futures

现持90%短期债/cash,10%左右杠杆交易。去年孩子出生后就没怎么搞了但还在关注

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#123 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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#124 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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dedalux 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 13:50 基金操盘美债,美股/ETF。工作发的奖金起家

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现持90%短期债/cash,10%左右杠杆交易。去年孩子出生后就没怎么搞了但还在关注
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#125 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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我给别人提过投资虚拟币的建议,就是涨跌趋势判断,但我不建议购买虚拟币,因为对方坚持,但我担心他受不了那么大的波动。不知道哪个亚洲私募基金投资过以太坊。你可以说一下。
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#126 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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#127 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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noid2 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 13:33 ABC,或者你这种1.5代在美国的感受,和对未来的看法
I used to envy ABCs for having a head start (better primitive accumulation from family that came earlier, better grasp of English etc.) Today I have a lot of sympathies for them, because I see having my Chinese perspective as a valuable mental outlet. There're a lot of incomprehensible things in America today, maybe starting from 2-3 decades ago - lots of ugliness hard to reconcile for any decent human beings.

In my experience 4/5 ABCs are from a very sheltered background, they rebel but keep close to the Chinese-diaspora dominant social group formed by their parents' grad school/company/church etc. They remind me of my stereotypical image of Chinese middle/high school pupils in uniform, except speak fluent American English. I don't deny they get to experience a lot of happiness their Chinese equivalents of the same age don't get to experience. But usually in late teenage years personal identity issues take over for many.

Today I actually have more sympathies for Chinese first-gen parents sheltering their kids, because it's probably a very viable strategy for raising wholesome adults. But I think the easy path, one of clear-conscience and clear steps is closing in fast. Considering lots of once heavily coveted technical jobs, can barely place you into middle class these days in second/third tier cities. The very desirable jobs in Tech is extremely saturated with competition. So for most smart ABCs, the risk of sliding to a lower class is high, unless the parents already built a strong economic foundation.

The rest of the 1/5 who step beyond the Chinese community into the "white world" is a very mixed bag. Most carry with them a lot of psychological burdens. Some have tough mentals and draw energy from their perceived disadvantages, integrate much better than expected and get into front-office/management positions. Few of them develop even psychopathies, stemming from self-imposed inferiority complexes, or straight-up bullying / teenage disappointments, which gives them a very dark drive that's ironically, quite desirable in the contemporary American economy. These are the Asians I'm most familiar with, drinking after work, doing more at after parties...

Today's America offers a lot of opportunities for them to take the center stage and make unbelievable money. They can be eloquent with English, navigate office politics, have success with non-Asian girls. A smart coder gets 7-figure package in big tech, or run profitable social media/dropshipping/crypto endeavors. Alex Wang (Scale AI CEO) comes to mind, who became quite famous for talking shit against AI on Bloomberg. Anti-China pays, and with AI funding it takes it to the next level.

Nonetheless I would say most in this cohort who walk a more non-traditional path don't succeed, because the non-traditional path is difficult by default. A lot of them fade into the background and face reality.

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I was both lucky and unlucky to be able to see and experience a wide spectrum of things, from my teenage friends in rural Red State America overdosing on a bad bag and dying (2 decades ago and today), to much fancier drug-consumption before 9-figure USD client meetings, I'm quite personally disillusioned about America. This is not to mention I got into reading books when I first started learning English, then kept up the hobby with at least 2-3 full-sized book a month for the past 20 years. Over time I've accumulated a body of knowledge and experience that gave me some financial success but also a deeper view of the degeneration that's been transpiring in the Western led world, both culturally and economically, since the ceasing of real growth 20-30 years after WWII.

I've personally crossed paths and had deep conversations with people 1-2 jumps separated from the Trump admin on TV. I can name friends who rode this political coat-tail (Chinese, Indian, White all inclusive), and I think I have a good grasp of the overall trajectory these people will take the country towards. History has demonstrated empires rise and fall with an average lifespan of 80-100 years, from Italian to Dutch to Spanish to English. I don't see American escaping that fate, and the people in charge are well aware.

I think Capital as a class and amorphous concept, is mobile by nature. It will uproot from its current home and move somewhere else. The people in charge are doing the equivalent of stripping out the copper wires and steel structures in the already dilapidated house that's America, and taking it elsewhere. I watch the development in Bitcoin, and other forms of off-shore capital. If Trump eliminates the capital-gains tax this year, that would be the first shot fired to signal the massive relocation of global capital away from America.

In this reality, America will survive nonetheless. It's a very rich and tolerant reality. However a regionalized America vs. America the world police, would signal a society that solidfied its status as the jungle vs. something resembling civilization. While this exact path to this outcome isn't clear for most Americans, they all agree to some extent this diagnosis of the country fate.

That's why I chuckle when I see a lot of posters on this forum adamantly defending the "basis of democracy" and such. I think because they didn't get a decent Western education, they didn't get a chance to read the diagnosis of Greeks who already wrote about this 2 millenia ago.
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#128 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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dedalux 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 14:31 I used to envy ABCs for having a head start (better primitive accumulation from family that came earlier, better grasp of English etc.) Today I have a lot of sympathies for them, because I see having my Chinese perspective as a valuable mental outlet. There're a lot of incomprehensible things in America today, maybe starting from 2-3 decades ago - lots of ugliness hard to reconcile for any decent human beings.

In my experience 4/5 ABCs are from a very sheltered background, they rebel but keep close to the Chinese-diaspora dominant social group formed by their parents' grad school/company/church etc. They remind me of my stereotypical image of Chinese middle/high school pupils in uniform, except speak fluent American English. I don't deny they get to experience a lot of happiness their Chinese equivalents of the same age don't get to experience. But usually in late teenage years personal identity issues take over for many.

Today I actually have more sympathies for Chinese first-gen parents sheltering their kids, because it's probably a very viable strategy for raising wholesome adults. But I think the easy path, one of clear-conscience and clear steps is closing in fast. Considering lots of once heavily coveted technical jobs, can barely place you into middle class these days in second/third tier cities. The very desirable jobs in Tech is extremely saturated with competition. So for most smart ABCs, the risk of sliding to a lower class is high, unless the parents already built a strong economic foundation.

The rest of the 1/5 who step beyond the Chinese community into the "white world" is a very mixed bag. Most carry with them a lot of psychological burdens. Some have tough mentals and draw energy from their perceived disadvantages, integrate much better than expected and get into front-office/management positions. Few of them develop even psychopathies, stemming from self-imposed inferiority complexes, or straight-up bullying / teenage disappointments, which gives them a very dark drive that's ironically, quite desirable in the contemporary American economy. These are the Asians I'm most familiar with, drinking after work, doing more at after parties...

Today's America offers a lot of opportunities for them to take the center stage and make unbelievable money. They can be eloquent with English, navigate office politics, have success with non-Asian girls. A smart coder gets 7-figure package in big tech, or run profitable social media/dropshipping/crypto endeavors. Alex Wang (Scale AI CEO) comes to mind, who became quite famous for talking shit against AI on Bloomberg. Anti-China pays, and with AI funding it takes it to the next level.

Nonetheless I would say most in this cohort who walk a more non-traditional path don't succeed, because the non-traditional path is difficult by default. A lot of them fade into the background and face reality.

-

I was both lucky and unlucky to be able to see and experience a wide spectrum of things, from my teenage friends in rural Red State America overdosing on a bad bag and dying (2 decades ago and today), to much fancier drug-consumption before 9-figure USD client meetings, I'm quite personally disillusioned about America. This is not to mention I got into reading books when I first started learning English, then kept up the hobby with at least 2-3 full-sized book a month for the past 20 years. Over time I've accumulated a body of knowledge and experience that gave me some financial success but also a deeper view of the degeneration that's been transpiring in the Western led world, both culturally and economically, since the ceasing of real growth 20-30 years after WWII.

I've personally crossed paths and had deep conversations with people 1-2 jumps separated from the Trump admin on TV. I can name friends who rode this political coat-tail (Chinese, Indian, White all inclusive), and I think I have a good grasp of the overall trajectory these people will take the country towards. History has demonstrated empires rise and fall with an average lifespan of 80-100 years, from Italian to Dutch to Spanish to English. I don't see American escaping that fate, and the people in charge are well aware.

I think Capital as a class and amorphous concept, is mobile by nature. It will uproot from its current home and move somewhere else. The people in charge are doing the equivalent of stripping out the copper wires and steel structures in the already dilapidated house that's America, and taking it elsewhere. I watch the development in Bitcoin, and other forms of off-shore capital. If Trump eliminates the capital-gains tax this year, that would be the first shot fired to signal the massive relocation of global capital away from America.

In this reality, America will survive nonetheless. It's a very rich and tolerant reality. However a regionalized America vs. America the world police, would signal a society that solidfied its status as the jungle vs. something resembling civilization. While this exact path to this outcome isn't clear for most Americans, they all agree to some extent this diagnosis of the country fate.

That's why I chuckle when I see a lot of posters on this forum adamantly defending the "basis of democracy" and such. I think because they didn't get a decent Western education, they didn't get a chance to read the diagnosis of Greeks who already wrote about this 2 millenia ago.
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#129 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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感觉你这个文风味道不对啊

你有没有想过那80%的贫困是咋来的? 而且你这维度也是还在同一个维度上 没啥用处。还是安心过日子算了
dedalux 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 13:42 我希望你没有看到我有种有身在福中不知福的意思。我父母梭哈移美也是他们对付你说的那种无聊生活的方式。我敬佩他们的这个选择,这种精神也给我硬着头皮融入到美国文化圈,后来的美国精英职场很大的动力

我的家庭也吃到了很多时代的福利,00年相比现在50分之一的华人留学生量,相比可观的绿卡排期。我也在全球经济宏观下滑前抓到了几个金融上的风口

至于全世界数亿的扛着巨大的经济压力的普通人,也不是我一个敲键盘的可以解决的事。但从我的角度看来,长期历史可以证明的,更可观的现象
在非西方世界发生。我能看到的也只有少数古典美左push的抽象的数据:20世纪全世界的扶贫,百分之80+的功劳都是中国政府这么多年的努力吧。至于分配的不平衡,没有好的经济生产基础的前提是无法解决的。

40年不动的欧美劳工real income,川普1.0 2.0现象中都深刻体现过了。可知想象如果没有美金体系当世界的中高管理层,剩下的生产余额可以让多少人的生活过得轻松点

也许这就是我在我的更高维度找到的东西吧
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#130 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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#131 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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dedalux 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 13:11 你怎么还没搞懂我的逻辑

1.我不喜欢撒谎
2.我觉得在美国混得好要撒很多谎
3.我混下来的过程中撒过一些谎,导致我不能高枕无忧
4.我洗手不干了,挽回一些清白
5.我不想让我的孩子在那个文化环境下成长
你如果去中国的话,连维持温饱都要撒很多谎。
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#132 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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dedalux 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 12:46
religious visa?你做宗教工作?
你要不要把图删了?避免留下私人信息。这里有的人很固执,不必证明给他们看……
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#133 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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qxc 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 13:22 你中文这么好,知道"辛勤的蜜蜂来不及叹息" 这句话嘛

等你一个月几千人民币,房子要一辈子买不起,结婚要各种刚需花费,每天除了挣钱就是钱,而且身边一半人都失业,最后嘴巴里除了正能量其他什么也不许说不许做。。。。。。你还是会怀念现在的无聊生活的

绝大多数人的人生本来就无聊,能过上舒服一点的无聊人生已经是太好了。想改变这种本质,只能在更高维度上找办法。现实生活中,美国中国都不行,这不是国家差别的问题。
"辛勤的蜜蜂来不及叹息" 这句话我都不知道…… :D
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Tea 写了: 2025年 4月 11日 09:39 上完初中的话,中文算是半个母语了。abc 的中文是当外语学的,跟我们的英语一样。
不光是语言的问题,贴主说快30中旬,20多年前移民,当年必然到不了15。你回忆下当年自己初中还是什么样的认知,就知道原帖不可能是10来岁到美国,之后基本都泡在美国文化里的人能写出来的。

我不能说帖主说的都是假话,但至少从时间上对不上。
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#135 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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看后只想说all fluff, no substance。你这种essay当年能得几分?不过现在各类学校grade inflation都非常厉害,学生自己也不知道几斤几两了。不过话说回来,当年读奥巴马得Audacity of Hope都是这种感觉,小鱼小虾写得就更是如此。

Ted Kaczynski的manifesto看过吗?他虽然偏激,比你们深刻得多。即使老马克思共产党宣言第一章,也比你们这些快200年后的“批判”深刻得多。
dedalux 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 14:31 I used to envy ABCs for having a head start (better primitive accumulation from family that came earlier, better grasp of English etc.) Today I have a lot of sympathies for them, because I see having my Chinese perspective as a valuable mental outlet. There're a lot of incomprehensible things in America today, maybe starting from 2-3 decades ago - lots of ugliness hard to reconcile for any decent human beings.

In my experience 4/5 ABCs are from a very sheltered background, they rebel but keep close to the Chinese-diaspora dominant social group formed by their parents' grad school/company/church etc. They remind me of my stereotypical image of Chinese middle/high school pupils in uniform, except speak fluent American English. I don't deny they get to experience a lot of happiness their Chinese equivalents of the same age don't get to experience. But usually in late teenage years personal identity issues take over for many.

Today I actually have more sympathies for Chinese first-gen parents sheltering their kids, because it's probably a very viable strategy for raising wholesome adults. But I think the easy path, one of clear-conscience and clear steps is closing in fast. Considering lots of once heavily coveted technical jobs, can barely place you into middle class these days in second/third tier cities. The very desirable jobs in Tech is extremely saturated with competition. So for most smart ABCs, the risk of sliding to a lower class is high, unless the parents already built a strong economic foundation.

The rest of the 1/5 who step beyond the Chinese community into the "white world" is a very mixed bag. Most carry with them a lot of psychological burdens. Some have tough mentals and draw energy from their perceived disadvantages, integrate much better than expected and get into front-office/management positions. Few of them develop even psychopathies, stemming from self-imposed inferiority complexes, or straight-up bullying / teenage disappointments, which gives them a very dark drive that's ironically, quite desirable in the contemporary American economy. These are the Asians I'm most familiar with, drinking after work, doing more at after parties...

Today's America offers a lot of opportunities for them to take the center stage and make unbelievable money. They can be eloquent with English, navigate office politics, have success with non-Asian girls. A smart coder gets 7-figure package in big tech, or run profitable social media/dropshipping/crypto endeavors. Alex Wang (Scale AI CEO) comes to mind, who became quite famous for talking shit against AI on Bloomberg. Anti-China pays, and with AI funding it takes it to the next level.

Nonetheless I would say most in this cohort who walk a more non-traditional path don't succeed, because the non-traditional path is difficult by default. A lot of them fade into the background and face reality.

-

I was both lucky and unlucky to be able to see and experience a wide spectrum of things, from my teenage friends in rural Red State America overdosing on a bad bag and dying (2 decades ago and today), to much fancier drug-consumption before 9-figure USD client meetings, I'm quite personally disillusioned about America. This is not to mention I got into reading books when I first started learning English, then kept up the hobby with at least 2-3 full-sized book a month for the past 20 years. Over time I've accumulated a body of knowledge and experience that gave me some financial success but also a deeper view of the degeneration that's been transpiring in the Western led world, both culturally and economically, since the ceasing of real growth 20-30 years after WWII.

I've personally crossed paths and had deep conversations with people 1-2 jumps separated from the Trump admin on TV. I can name friends who rode this political coat-tail (Chinese, Indian, White all inclusive), and I think I have a good grasp of the overall trajectory these people will take the country towards. History has demonstrated empires rise and fall with an average lifespan of 80-100 years, from Italian to Dutch to Spanish to English. I don't see American escaping that fate, and the people in charge are well aware.

I think Capital as a class and amorphous concept, is mobile by nature. It will uproot from its current home and move somewhere else. The people in charge are doing the equivalent of stripping out the copper wires and steel structures in the already dilapidated house that's America, and taking it elsewhere. I watch the development in Bitcoin, and other forms of off-shore capital. If Trump eliminates the capital-gains tax this year, that would be the first shot fired to signal the massive relocation of global capital away from America.

In this reality, America will survive nonetheless. It's a very rich and tolerant reality. However a regionalized America vs. America the world police, would signal a society that solidfied its status as the jungle vs. something resembling civilization. While this exact path to this outcome isn't clear for most Americans, they all agree to some extent this diagnosis of the country fate.

That's why I chuckle when I see a lot of posters on this forum adamantly defending the "basis of democracy" and such. I think because they didn't get a decent Western education, they didn't get a chance to read the diagnosis of Greeks who already wrote about this 2 millenia ago.
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#136 Re: 20多年前和父母移美,如今差不多赶上父母那时的年龄了

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dedalux 写了: 2025年 4月 13日 13:42 我希望你没有看到我有种有身在福中不知福的意思。我父母梭哈移美也是他们对付你说的那种无聊生活的方式。我敬佩他们的这个选择,这种精神也给我硬着头皮融入到美国文化圈,后来的美国精英职场很大的动力

我的家庭也吃到了很多时代的福利,00年相比现在50分之一的华人留学生量,相比可观的绿卡排期。我也在全球经济宏观下滑前抓到了几个金融上的风口

至于全世界数亿的扛着巨大的经济压力的普通人,也不是我一个敲键盘的可以解决的事。但从我的角度看来,长期历史可以证明的,更可观的现象
在非西方世界发生。我能看到的也只有少数古典美左push的抽象的数据:20世纪全世界的扶贫,百分之80+的功劳都是中国政府这么多年的努力吧。至于分配的不平衡,没有好的经济生产基础的前提是无法解决的。

40年不动的欧美劳工real income,川普1.0 2.0现象中都深刻体现过了。可知想象如果没有美金体系当世界的中高管理层,剩下的生产余额可以让多少人的生活过得轻松点

也许这就是我在我的更高维度找到的东西吧
"40年不动的欧美劳工real income,川普1.0 2.0现象中都深刻体现过了。可知想象如果没有美金体系当世界的中高管理层,剩下的生产余额可以让多少人的生活过得轻松点" -- 你这感叹显然是年龄太小.

等你再过20 年, 你就会意识到, 人这种生物多么的卑微低劣。 现在这种生活已经是上帝宽恕人的最好结果了。
如果没有美金体系, 就有卢布体系或者人民币体系 -- 那个比现在这个恶劣10 倍。

人本来就不配好的生活, 等你认识到这一点的时候各种小资情调都会一扫而空。
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