Tesla accident rate is 1/3 of US average

[lexian]

As in mile driven per major accident

FSD 会更减少一半。

[geniushanbiao]

这是特粉月经贴啊。都说的很清楚了FSD明显高速比local跑的多所以per miles的事故少是很正常的。有本事贴一个per hour driven的事故率看看。

[lexian]

这是特粉月经贴啊。都说的很清楚了FSD明显高速比local跑的多所以per miles的事故少是很正常的。有本事贴一个per hour driven的事故率看看。

特黑脑子不好使。 不算FSD， 特斯拉的事故率只有平均的1/3。算FSD是1/6

[geniushanbiao]

特黑脑子不好使。 不算FSD， 特斯拉的事故率只有平均的1/3。算FSD是1/6

这恰恰说明这个数据没用啊。不用FSD的话特斯拉不就是个普通车么？如果一个普通车事故率比另一个普通车事故率低，除了开车司机人群不一样以外还能说明什么呢？

我用我的疯田和Corvette比会发现我的疯田比Corvette事故率低很多，能说明啥？我的疯田比Corvette好？

[lexian]

这恰恰说明这个数据没用啊。不用FSD的话特斯拉不就是个普通车么？如果一个普通车事故率比另一个普通车事故率低，除了开车司机人群不一样以外还能说明什么呢？

我用我的疯田和Corvette比会发现我的疯田比Corvette事故率低很多，能说明啥？我的疯田比Corvette好？

what?!

[geniushanbiao]

what?!

看不明白么？

我用我的Highlander和奔驰GL63 AMG比，发现我的Highlander的事故率比GL63 AMG低，你说能说明啥？说明我的Highlander比GL63 AMG更安全吗？

[lexian]

tesla active safety measures still engage even driven manually. hopefully u understand this statement.

overall FSD driven miles only 1/10 of all tesla mileage.

[geniushanbiao]

tesla active safety measures still engage even driven manually. hopefully u understand this statement.

overall FSD driven miles only 1/10 of all tesla mileage.

Ok let's look at the data.
Tesla driven manually without active safety: 972k.
US average: 699k.

Keep in mind, this comparison is between teslas that average less than 5 years old and US average of cars average 10 to 20 years old. If you limit the US average to cars no more than 5 years old and remove those supercars like Corvette, Supra etc I bet you Teslas driven manually without active safety won't be anything better than the US average.

[lexian]

Ok let's look at the data.
Tesla driven manually without active safety: 972k.
US average: 699k.

Keep in mind, this comparison is between teslas that average less than 5 years old and US average of cars average 10 to 20 years old. If you limit the US average to cars no more than 5 years old and remove those supercars like Corvette, Supra etc I bet you Teslas driven manually without active safety won't be anything better than the US average.

this actually provides a benchmark - Tesla driver statistically similar to US average driver. It’s the active safety measures that make the difference.

[YWY]

Use it and supervise it.

[geniushanbiao]

this actually provides a benchmark - Tesla driver statistically similar to US average driver. It’s the active safety measures that make the difference.

Again I made it clear that you are comparing new Tesla's against older gas cars. Newer gas cars also have those active safety measures while older ones don't.

[lexian]

That has some valid point, but consider most cars have a lifespan of 10-15yrs, Tesla has been mass produced from Model S 15yrs ago, age difference is not that significant.

Tesla’s learning capabilities is the fundamental game changer. It accumulates an average driver a lifetime of driving experience in 10”. The difference will become more and more significant.

[GAGAMA]

我相信结论：FSD确实比average driver更安全.

但论证过程太野鸡。 特斯拉压根就没有事故率最高的那几种车型。你应该拿model3和凯美瑞，model y跟CRV的数据比. 我盲猜逶车事故率更低

[geniushanbiao]

That has some valid point, but consider most cars have a lifespan of 10-15yrs, Tesla has been mass produced from Model S 15yrs ago, age difference is not that significant.

Tesla’s learning capabilities is the fundamental game changer. It accumulates an average driver a lifetime of driving experience in 10”. The difference will become more and more significant.

MS and MX were not selling very good. Most Teslas on the road are M3 and MY that were just introduced in 2017 and 2020, respectively.

[pnlmpnlm]

特黑脑子不好使。 不算FSD， 特斯拉的事故率只有平均的1/3。算FSD是1/6

特粉： 一个车使用了辅助驾驶比不用辅助驾驶accident rate降低了一半。
特黑的问题： 别的车使用其他“破烂”辅助驾驶对标自己不用辅助驾驶是不是也能降低50%，证明FSD什么？

另外特黑问题：
（1）什么时候使用这个辅助驾驶呢，应该明确区分数据采集区间。
（1.1）比如是不是对比了同样在闹市中用辅助驾驶还是不用辅助驾驶
（1.2） 还是用闹市中非辅助驾驶的里程（100mile， 10小时开车时间）对标“同样的车”高速公路使用辅助驾驶（100mile，1.5小时开车时间）
（2） 比如是不是Tesla Model 3对标丰田Camery驾驶者对比而不是tesla对标Camery+国产五菱宏光

[gjq]

关键是跟相同组的司机比。
去掉几个年轻人为主的subcompact，去掉老爷车，特斯拉事故率如何？

再去掉那些全是老头老太开的型号

这是特粉月经贴啊。都说的很清楚了FSD明显高速比local跑的多所以per miles的事故少是很正常的。有本事贴一个per hour driven的事故率看看。

[苍井吱]

特黑脑子不好使。 不算FSD， 特斯拉的事故率只有平均的1/3。算FSD是1/6

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[苍井吱]

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[drifter]

特斯拉保险一定赚大发了

[YWY]

那么，同样都是特斯拉车，用与不用FSD的数据对比（在下图里可以看到），说明了什么？