买现代新车被坑了 巨坑巨坑 求助求助 更新一下 求英文翻译

[ferrygao]

小额法庭也要付 judicial fee，劝退多数人

一百多 很多吗 不争馒头蒸口气

[Rather]

小额法庭也要付 judicial fee，劝退多数人

一般一百不到。

[ferrygao]

只能死磕了 爬到dealer车顶 站着示威 不行就爬自己车顶

[YouHi]

只能死磕了 爬到dealer车顶 站着示威 不行就爬自己车顶

这个狠。

[ferrygao]

这个狠。

躺在车顶打滚

[Savage]

只能死磕了 爬到dealer车顶 站着示威 不行就爬自己车顶

这是米国，听说过trespassing? 只能爬自己的.注意别停在dealer的地面上

[ferrygao]

这是米国，听说过trespassing? 只能爬自己的.注意别停在dealer的地面上

dealer对面 叫电视台来采访

[Savage]

躺在车顶打滚

这个，有难度

还不如拉上廉颇，一起在车顶打炮，旁边拉个横幅： make love, not crappy cars

[ferrygao]

这个，有难度

还不如拉上廉颇，一起在车顶打炮，旁边拉个横幅： make lover, not crappy cars

这个好 围观群众肯定多 影响一定大

Here you go

https://vidmax.com/video/198537-full-vi ... orida-nsfw

[锄禾]

你这个真是抬杠了，tesla的价格就是MSRP+option+dest fee+doc fee=invoice price, dealer完全愿意这样卖给你，如果dealer这么卖体验肯定好，和tesla一样，小儿拿个pad让你点几下，5分钟提车走人。不同意dealer这么卖的是你们这样的客人。因为你们想要买的别人便宜，比别人更低，决不能吃亏。从这个角度上，是你们的需求造成了dealer的经营模式。这就好像大家都不嫖，肯定就没有妓女了一样的道理

到底谁在抬杠 你到底买没买过车？ 一直抓着 MSRP+option+dest fee+doc fee 觉得自己好对 同一个车不同的dealer 这4个指标的价格都能给的不一样 疫情的时候还得额外加几千才能让你买车 不愿意加价的谈都不用谈 而且正常的时候就算同一个dealer 月中和月尾的价格都能不一样 sales月尾完不成业绩你去买都能主动跟你降价卖 我是真不明白你是怎么想的 好像dealer是被逼的一样 我们buyer还得自己反省是我们逼的dealer这么做的 当了冤大头还得先自我反省？

疫情中的时候去车子少 所有dealer都要在msrp上加价几千 不愿意加价就直接甩脸 不用往下谈了 你这么爱msrp买车那么让你msrp再加价几千才能买的时候 你怎么不说了呢 连manufacture都发文说禁止加价卖车 有dealer听吗 再说回MSRP+option+dest fee+doc fee 那你解释一下这个加价几千算哪一条？

[赖美豪中]

你这不是胡扯么，invoice price = window sticker (MSRP)+dest fee+ doc+ttl, 怎么会不一样，那个dealer都是一样，如果不一样当然是option 不一样导致window sticker不一样，大部分厂家的option都比tesla多样化啊。 如果dealer按你们推崇的tesla模式就是这样卖啊，你们不干啊，非要天天让人match 来match去，你自己本身想去打烂泥仗就别怪搞得一身烂泥

到底谁在抬杠 你到底买没买过车？ 一直抓着 MSRP+option+dest fee+doc fee 觉得自己好对 同一个车不同的dealer 这4个指标的价格都能给的不一样 疫情的时候还得额外加几千才能让你买车 不愿意加价的谈都不用谈 而且正常的时候就算同一个dealer 月中和月尾的价格都能不一样 sales月尾完不成业绩你去买都能主动跟你降价卖 我是真不明白你是怎么想的 好像dealer是被逼的一样 我们buyer还得自己反省是我们逼的dealer这么做的 当了冤大头还得先自我反省？

疫情中的时候去车子少 所有dealer都要在msrp上加价几千 不愿意加价就直接甩脸 不用往下谈了 你这么爱msrp买车那么让你msrp再加价几千才能买的时候 你怎么不说了呢 连manufacture都发文说禁止加价卖车 有dealer听吗 再说回MSRP+option+dest fee+doc fee 那你解释一下这个加价几千算哪一条？

[Wawa123]

到底谁在抬杠 你到底买没买过车？ 一直抓着 MSRP+option+dest fee+doc fee 觉得自己好对 同一个车不同的dealer 这4个指标的价格都能给的不一样 疫情的时候还得额外加几千才能让你买车 不愿意加价的谈都不用谈 而且正常的时候就算同一个dealer 月中和月尾的价格都能不一样 sales月尾完不成业绩你去买都能主动跟你降价卖 我是真不明白你是怎么想的 好像dealer是被逼的一样 我们buyer还得自己反省是我们逼的dealer这么做的 当了冤大头还得先自我反省？

疫情中的时候去车子少 所有dealer都要在msrp上加价几千 不愿意加价就直接甩脸 不用往下谈了 你这么爱msrp买车那么让你msrp再加价几千才能买的时候 你怎么不说了呢 连manufacture都发文说禁止加价卖车 有dealer听吗 再说回MSRP+option+dest fee+doc fee 那你解释一下这个加价几千算哪一条？

属实 什么是option？比如 可有可无 就可以砍价
你不同意可以不卖车啊

[BCQ1]

DEALER换机油忘了盖ENGINE的事情也很多

[nowhere]

Dealer A 离我45分钟有个16mile新车而且给了合理价格。dealerB 离我10分钟，愿意beat A的价格，我让B -500 立刻下单，B拒绝。回家想想，还是近好。第二天问B，车的mile数，被告知136mile。我觉得太高了，希望他找一辆低mile车，直接被拒绝，只此一辆，遂放弃。谁知B愿意主动-500，紧接着经理C给我打电话只offer250（扣门） ，我表示要去A那里买。除非-500，C不肯让步，并且威逼利诱说“难道你sercixe也去A那里做吗？”他优先服务自己的客人，我态度强硬最后挂了电话。半小时后经理D给我电话，态度诚恳亲切，表示刚换了owner，非常愿意做我的生意，并且-600. 思虑再三决定接受。
提车前发现车并没有停在parking lot，而在露天show room. 毕竟136mile，签约前，我们仔细察看外部四周，除了有些灰并无大碍，sale会清洗，试驾没问题。谁知一星期后发现后尾箱塑料全裂了，裂的地方如图，当时买车的时候，第三排立起来了，cargo net正好挡住了，回家一星期后拆下net，才发现。当天去找dealer，他不认，说他们不会卖这种车，并且说修好要500+。我一直强调你卖我的时候就是坏的，他说“你就是要免费修车” 感觉被侮辱了。我不是来修车的我买的是新车，我要退车。经理开始扯皮，一副我们拿他没办法的样子，我说要去找总部。你去吧，他说。
首先要澄清，买车直到发现问题，我们没用过后尾箱，第三排没坐过人，不是我们损坏的。每天上班路程两mile不到。

可能的情况：
1。车子卖给我们的时候就是坏的。如果当时我们发现问题，他很可能说他们也不知道怎么回事；反之，只要卖出去没烂在手里，问题抛出去了，他们就赚了。
2。他们不知情，因为是新owner of dealer，也是刚接手的，可能他们接手时车就这样了。
3。至于为什么我们没发现，第三排本身是立起来的，方便体验。cargo net 挂在上面完全挡住了，而且是空心的，视线上会觉得它是透明一般存在。新车根本没考虑这么大一个乌龙；车已经试过了，第三排也升起来了。
4。车子质量问题，坏的地方的塑料是真薄。

难道carogo net这个配件不应该在包装里面吗？ 怎么就装上了，看其他在lot的车里后尾箱都是干净的

已经联系过Hyundai了，等待处理中。


我的诉求是退车或者换同样新车
请有想法和经验的朋友帮帮忙

Update 1.目前总部在和dealer那边协商，在等答复。 受害者我能力有限，请兄弟姐妹帮忙把的故事翻译成英文，接下来计划多发几个老外论坛。
我的email是christine1993415@gmail.com 再次感谢

I bought a new Hyundai car and got scammed, it's a huge scam. Please help me.

Dealer A had a new car with 16 miles, a reasonable price, located 45 minutes away from me. Dealer B, located 10 minutes away, was willing to beat A's price. I asked B for $500 off to place the order immediately, but B refused. After thinking at home, I decided closer is better. The next day, I asked B about the car's mileage and was told it was 136 miles. I felt it was too high and asked B to find a car with lower mileage, but was directly refused. They only had that one car, so I gave up. Surprisingly, B was willing to offer a $500 discount afterwards, then manager C called me and offered only $250 off (including a door deduction). I said I would go to A to buy unless they give me $500 off. C refused to budge, and tried to threaten and lure me by saying, "Are you also going to get your service done at A?" He prioritized serving his own customers. I was firm in my attitude and eventually hung up. Half an hour later, manager D called me, with a sincere and friendly attitude, saying they had just changed owners and were very willing to do business with me, offering $600 off. After much thought, I decided to accept.

Before picking up the car, I found it was not parked in the parking lot but in an outdoor showroom. With 136 miles, before signing the contract, we carefully inspected the exterior all around. Besides some dirt, there were no major issues, which the salesperson promised to clean up and test drive. However, a week later, I discovered that the plastic on the rear trunk was completely cracked. The cracks are shown in the picture. At the time of purchasing the car, the third row was upright, and the cargo net was blocking the view. It was only after I got home and removed the net a week later that I noticed the damage. When I went back to the dealer that day, they denied it, saying they wouldn't sell a car like that and that fixing it would cost over $500. I kept emphasizing that it was already damaged when they sold it to me. They said, "You just want a free repair." I felt insulted. I didn't come here to have a car repaired; I bought a new car, and I want to return it. The manager started to evade responsibility, acting as if we couldn't do anything about it. I said I would go to the headquarters. "Go ahead," he said.

First of all, it should be clarified that we didn't use the rear trunk until we noticed the problem. The third row had never been occupied; it was not our damage. We only drive less than two miles to work every day.

Possible scenarios:
1. The car was sold to us already damaged. If we had noticed the problem at the time, they would likely claim they didn't know what happened. Otherwise, as long as they sold it without the damage showing, they would profit.
2. They were unaware, as it was a new owner of the dealership, who had just taken over. It's possible the car was already like that when they took over.
3. As for why we didn't notice, the third row was initially upright to facilitate the experience. The cargo net hanging above completely blocked the view, and being hollow, it gave the impression of being transparent. The new car didn't consider such a big mistake; the car had already been tested, and the third row had been raised.
4. Quality issue with the car; the plastic in the damaged area was very thin.

Shouldn't the cargo net accessory be inside the packaging? How did it end up installed? Looking at other cars in the lot, their rear trunks were clean.

I have already contacted Hyundai and am awaiting a resolution.

My request is to return the car or exchange it for the same new car.
Please help if you have any ideas or experience.

Update 1: Currently, headquarters is negotiating with the dealer and I am waiting for a response.
My email is christine1993415@gmail.com. Thanks again.

[赖美豪中]

这本来就是销售策略，有很多厂商也接受你自己上网配乞丐版然后你去dealer那里提车，有什么奇怪呢，问题很简单，你们吹的tesla销售模式只是满足你们心里的魔，就是大家一个价钱买我不会是吃亏的那个。但是到了dealer那里你们的心魔又来了，我一定要比别人买的更便宜，为啥，你为啥不要求按invoice price买呢
但是tesla魔高一丈，人家直接一年降价20%，车还是更好了。让你们的二手车跌的和狗屎一样

属实 什么是option？比如 可有可无 就可以砍价
你不同意可以不卖车啊

[赖美豪中]

你用chatgpt润色一下，写的太长，抓住重点。

I bought a new Hyundai car and got scammed, it's a huge scam. Please help me.

Dealer A had a new car with 16 miles, a reasonable price, located 45 minutes away from me. Dealer B, located 10 minutes away, was willing to beat A's price. I asked B for $500 off to place the order immediately, but B refused. After thinking at home, I decided closer is better. The next day, I asked B about the car's mileage and was told it was 136 miles. I felt it was too high and asked B to find a car with lower mileage, but was directly refused. They only had that one car, so I gave up. Surprisingly, B was willing to offer a $500 discount afterwards, then manager C called me and offered only $250 off (including a door deduction). I said I would go to A to buy unless they give me $500 off. C refused to budge, and tried to threaten and lure me by saying, "Are you also going to get your service done at A?" He prioritized serving his own customers. I was firm in my attitude and eventually hung up. Half an hour later, manager D called me, with a sincere and friendly attitude, saying they had just changed owners and were very willing to do business with me, offering $600 off. After much thought, I decided to accept.

Before picking up the car, I found it was not parked in the parking lot but in an outdoor showroom. With 136 miles, before signing the contract, we carefully inspected the exterior all around. Besides some dirt, there were no major issues, which the salesperson promised to clean up and test drive. However, a week later, I discovered that the plastic on the rear trunk was completely cracked. The cracks are shown in the picture. At the time of purchasing the car, the third row was upright, and the cargo net was blocking the view. It was only after I got home and removed the net a week later that I noticed the damage. When I went back to the dealer that day, they denied it, saying they wouldn't sell a car like that and that fixing it would cost over $500. I kept emphasizing that it was already damaged when they sold it to me. They said, "You just want a free repair." I felt insulted. I didn't come here to have a car repaired; I bought a new car, and I want to return it. The manager started to evade responsibility, acting as if we couldn't do anything about it. I said I would go to the headquarters. "Go ahead," he said.

First of all, it should be clarified that we didn't use the rear trunk until we noticed the problem. The third row had never been occupied; it was not our damage. We only drive less than two miles to work every day.

Possible scenarios:
1. The car was sold to us already damaged. If we had noticed the problem at the time, they would likely claim they didn't know what happened. Otherwise, as long as they sold it without the damage showing, they would profit.
2. They were unaware, as it was a new owner of the dealership, who had just taken over. It's possible the car was already like that when they took over.
3. As for why we didn't notice, the third row was initially upright to facilitate the experience. The cargo net hanging above completely blocked the view, and being hollow, it gave the impression of being transparent. The new car didn't consider such a big mistake; the car had already been tested, and the third row had been raised.
4. Quality issue with the car; the plastic in the damaged area was very thin.

Shouldn't the cargo net accessory be inside the packaging? How did it end up installed? Looking at other cars in the lot, their rear trunks were clean.

I have already contacted Hyundai and am awaiting a resolution.

My request is to return the car or exchange it for the same new car.
Please help if you have any ideas or experience.

Update 1: Currently, headquarters is negotiating with the dealer and I am waiting for a response.
My email is christine1993415@gmail.com. Thanks again.

[锄禾]

你这不是胡扯么，invoice price = window sticker (MSRP)+dest fee+ doc+ttl, 怎么会不一样，那个dealer都是一样，如果不一样当然是option 不一样导致window sticker不一样，大部分厂家的option都比tesla多样化啊。 如果dealer按你们推崇的tesla模式就是这样卖啊，你们不干啊，非要天天让人match 来match去，你自己本身想去打烂泥仗就别怪搞得一身烂泥

dealer要是能价格透明还用大家比来比去吗？ 同一个东西在walmart和target还能卖不一样价格呢 还互相price match呢 怎么车就不能？ 过去疫情加价几千的就在几年前 也就去年底到今年好点了 现在网上还有人在问现在买车要加价吗 那你说说这个加价是个什么 option？ manufacture都看不过去站出来说不允许加价了 我这说的事实成胡扯了？

tesla的销售模式为什么成功因为它是一个老板一个公司统一售卖 统一处理订单 dealer就不一样了 卖的是同一个产品但是不是一个公司 为了挣钱就是可以看人下菜碟给不同的价格 这不就是target和walmart的关系吗 谁愿意去打烂泥仗 还不是dealer把烂泥糊在了buyer身上 你有钱你愿意贵买那是你的自由 但站在dealer一边说指责buyer 你没有立场

[赖美豪中]

你这个讲法就是胡搅蛮缠啊，dealer得价格很多都是很透明的，你不肯买哪个透明价格，比如很多都是invoice price然后减去厂商rebate，再给一点dealer discount, 但是你不买账啊，你非要人家再便宜点是不是。这才是不满意得所在么，如果大家都按网上价格买不久透明了么，你这个不透明就是dealer不把自己破产价告诉你，所以不够透明，是这意思么

dealer要是能价格透明还用大家比来比去吗？ 同一个东西在walmart和target还能卖不一样价格呢 还互相price match呢 怎么车就不能？ 过去疫情加价几千的就在几年前 也就去年底到今年好点了 现在网上还有人在问现在买车要加价吗 那你说说这个加价是个什么 option？ manufacture都看不过去站出来说不允许加价了 我这说的事实成胡扯了？

tesla的销售模式为什么成功因为它是一个老板一个公司统一售卖 统一处理订单 dealer就不一样了 卖的是同一个产品但是不是一个公司 为了挣钱就是可以看人下菜碟给不同的价格 这不就是target和walmart的关系吗 谁愿意去打烂泥仗 还不是dealer把烂泥糊在了buyer身上 你有钱你愿意贵买那是你的自由 但站在dealer一边说指责buyer 你没有立场

[锄禾]

你这个讲法就是胡搅蛮缠啊，dealer得价格很多都是很透明的，你不肯买哪个透明价格，比如很多都是invoice price然后减去厂商rebate，再给一点dealer discount, 但是你不买账啊，你非要人家再便宜点是不是。这才是不满意得所在么，如果大家都按网上价格买不久透明了么，你这个不透明就是dealer不把自己破产价告诉你，所以不够透明，是这意思么

我举得walmart和target例子还不够清楚吗 哪里透明了？ 主要你别避开问题 你先讲一下 加价买车的事 这个事还不够说明情况的？manufacture都站出来说不让加价了 说明加价是dealer自己的行为 说白了就差说是明枪了 透明在哪里？

[赖美豪中]

为什么你坚持人家在网上把价钱贴得清清楚楚叫不透明？你自己选择再去和dealer打烂泥仗啊，你不去砍价不就透明了么，80%得买家都是按网上价格买得，对他们来说就是透明的，
你说清楚砍价幅度不透明这我就能接受，你说价格不透明这是抬杠

我举得walmart和target例子还不够清楚吗 哪里透明了？ 主要你别避开问题 你先讲一下 加价买车的事 这个事还不够说明情况的？manufacture都站出来说不让加价了 说明加价是dealer自己的行为 说白了就差说是明枪了 透明在哪里？